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I'm over 2007. The only expectation I have and/or care about is the same one as last year and every since then...winning the Superbowl. Anything else is gravy.
 
The mother of all goal tenders.
I don't know. Who's going to score on him? He may retire and go into a new profession. He's very agile as we all know.

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I. Expect a 14_2 season and nother super bowl win...by 30 or so.
 
Well the betting currently has them better than a 20% shot to win the super bowl. (odds of 1:4.6)

There are a bunch of other teams with around a 8% to 6% shot (in decreasing order: Cowboys, Packers, Seahawks, Falcons, Raiders, Texans).

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So yes, while they are the overwhelming favorites, the betting has them at only about a 50:50 shot to even make the final game.

Which pretty much means that the Patriots are being overlooked considering that they have been in 3 of the last 6 Super Bowls. Won the last Super Bowl. And probably improved on both sides of the ball.:eek:
 
My expectations FOR the 2017 Patriots are the 12-4, second seed, first round bye and then, depending on health, see how far they go in the playoffs.
 
Assuming they aren't devastated by injuries.

Win AFCE 99.999999999999% chance.
Get a bye 95% chance.
Be the #1 seed 90% chance.
Reach AFCCG 85% chance.
Reach SB 60% chance.
Win the SB 50% chance.

If they stay healthy on both sides of the ball the offense might break some records. The defense should be able to give the ball back to them enough to put up some series points. All that said their schedule appears to be quite tough but you never know year to year.

KC week one.........just escape without out injuries.

@NO......I'm kind of interested to see if Cooks goes off in this game.

Atlanta. I know everybody wants to write them off. A guy, Cowboys fan, said to me last week they might not win another game. I think picking up Poe is going to make that defense that much better. I think they're still on the rise and got there early. I think this is a great game to go to just to see Jones play.

Miami, good luck on that sweep Jarvis.

Pitt, might be out of it by the time we play them. I think the AFCN in general is pretty weak for this year.

Denver, I hope we get more depth on the OL and this is a game where the investment into the running game pays off.

Las Vegas, boy is that weird, I'll be interested to see where Carr is at by that point. Cooper's an interesting matchup.
 
First and Foremost, going through Reg. Season with Everyone Healthy and then going into Playoffs same, running on all cylinders.

Without lookin ahead I always have a positive attitude always feel going into a new season as long as we have TB, BB our chances of going to a SB is just as good even better than anyone else. This year could be even more special with player changes factoring in. I know Pats aren't interested in records etc but this season could be Epic and nothin better than capping it off with a Sixth.
 
Here's my maybe-prediction.

We will have a drop-off in red zone production, the ratio of 6s to 3s. This is predicated on the loss of Blount, especially early season Blount.

It is quite likely that late-season Blount is the only Blount that exists right now. It is also possible that I am overemphasizing his role in red zone production.

So dredge up this post if it happens, and leave it alone if it doesn't. :)

Caveat: This doesn't mean the drop-off will be worth the price Blount wants, it doesn't even mean that Blount as presently evaluated would mitigate this drop-off. It only means that there will be a drop-off. If it's because the Blount of early '16 doesn't exist anymore, that's what an actuary might call a charge for the passage of time.

Yes, I think we have a lot of backs that can do a very good job. No, I don't think they've filled the one role Blount filled best, getting 6s instead of 3s. (There might also be some noticeable drop-off in 3rd and short situations.)

Now everybody can name the backs who can do that same thing (pick up short yardage). There's a reason Blount was a 300 carry guy. I think the bruising-power-back reason is one of them.

Another caveat: He's not the best guy ever to play this role either. He was good at it. I think we have a drop-off in goal line and possibly red zone. That is all. Not that Blount must stay, or any other such crap.

In fact, for all I know, Blount does stay somehow. So it's more of a conditional prophecy, like the Hopi prophecies in koyaanaskatsi.

If Blount is gone, then red-zone/short-yardage efficiency will decrease. Unless it doesn't.

(He said with unalloyed certainty) :/

Oh yeah and derivative stats like TOP might suffer too.

All that said, it's one group of numbers that I think mean a lot, but certainly don't mean death to the franchise. We're stacked. We're replacing what turned into a bell-cow + others with a prospective committee, the usual configuration.

Wow, random thought, and somebody should research this stat: Success of committee vs. bell cow Patriots teams as measured by SB wins. Antowain Smith's carries, Corey Dillon's carries, LaG Blount's carries -- higher or lower than average "committee" numbers? 5 years to dissect there, 5 SB wins. Think about that... every one of those guys was big enough to be a drain on the defense, and of course, we never went PURE bell cow... but the "big guy you have to stay on your toes to tackle b/c an arm tackle ain't doin' it" factor might correlate to SB success... somebody go all stat nerd on this.

If so, with apologies to SNL and Blue Oyster Cult (umlauts omitted...)

"More bell-cow! More bell-cow!"
 
Biggest risk I see to a repeat is health of the O-line. Other injuries you can likely work around. They are only thin at a couple of positions (O-line, D-Line, maybe linebackers). Everywhere else they are as resilient a team as there is in the NFL.

This is my take as well. The OL depth is key. But we should keep in mind that there are at least 4 players that will be on the final roster that we haven't even heard of yet (other than the draftniks). So the OL, DE, and LB positions are very likely to be addressed.

If they are, and assuming reasonable health, I'd expect 13-3. This offense can be something we've never seen here. Even 2007 was more limited than this one could be (although there's no matching Moss' talent, probably every again).
 
It's never too early to talk and get excited about what our team is going to look like in the coming season. With the additions Pats have already made via free agency, this team looks poised to numerous records. I, for one, prefer another ring more than anything else. That said, one record I would like to see get broken is Peyton's TD record in a season.

With the kind of running backs we have and with Brady aging, we probably won't throw as much but looking at Hogan,Mitchell, Dola, Edelman and Cooks it's not impossible.

Thoughts ?
Expectations? At this point, anything less than a championship would be a tremendous disappointment.
 
I think 13-3 with at least one of those losses being a "WTF!?" game where a clearly inferior opponent just has the ball bounce their way more times. After that, a pretty clear path to the Super Bowl (assuming health) and back to back championships on the way to bookend dynasties.
 
I still think this is a brutal schedule. 11-5 would not surprise me. Every team will play their Super Bowl against the Pats. The home opener is no gimme either. That being said they will win the AFCE.
 
19-0 if Gronk and others stay healthy is possible. Need to keep Butler and upgrade the edge guys a bit in the draft though. The Pats going 19-0 would take away the sting from 07 forever.
Doesn't sting anymore after this past Super Bowl tbh. In many ways winning Super Bowl 51 brought more satisfaction than 19-0 could have.

That said my expectation is at least 13-3 regular season and a Super Bowl win. We are stacked. Interior OL doesn't inspire a ton of confidence but we did just win a SB with it.
 
I think a lot of people are underrating this team health aside. If they stay healthy 14-2 imo is their floor. Yes i realized what a bold statement that is but i honestly think so. Assuming reasonable health and no drop off with Brady we are loaded.

The only way this team loses is the OL gets pushed around or we have a lot of bad luck vs a top 5 team. That is pretty much it. I think they can have a fairly off game vs 75% of the league and still win pretty comfortably.

For instance Houston was one of the better NFL teams and even with an off game they won by nearly 20 points. With an inferior team last year and no Gronk they were 15-1 under Brady with the one lose being a very close game with Seattle in which our D massively under preformed.

IMO the Pats assuming they are healthy with a still very elite Brady only have 3 games they have a shot to lose. Atlanta, @Broncos, Raiders (the trip worries me). I think they win all 3. 2 are against pretty unbalanced teams and one is against a potential SB hangover opponent which seems to hit everyone but the Pats.

Of the other games there are good ones but I don't see any other potential losses even with an off game. I think it says as much about the Pats as about the NFL right now.

Worth noting if the Pats get to 10-0 then 16-0 is pretty much in the bag as the last 6 games imo are very clear locks. Yes even @pitt. They will again play zone blitz and get fed their lunch as well as we will limit their top weapons and make them beat us with other guys which they can't do when we hang 30+ on them yet again.
 
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Assuming they aren't devastated by injuries.

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Reach AFCCG 85% chance.
Reach SB 60% chance.
Win the SB 50% chance.
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That multiplies through to a 25.5% chance of winning the SB (or a 3.92--1.00 chance). At least one early odds-maker virtually agrees with you and has the Pats at 4--1. You must be smart or lucky or something like that...

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All the 19-0 talk aside, I'd love to see a superbowl where the Pats dominate from start to end. I don't think my heart can take anymore of the past wins.
 
Schedule is definitely brutal. 11-12 wins is what I predict. getting HFA will be a huge benefit this season.
 
Obviously you play to win each game (ala Herm Edwards) but in the grand scheme of things would we really want the Pats to go 16-0.

I mean, I think players have admitted aftwerwards that it does add an unwelcome weight to their playoff schedule.

Let me put it another way...........

We were all pretty bummed when the Pats were down 28-3 in the third quarter against the Falcons. As bad as that was, wouldn't it have been THAT much worse if we were down 28-3 AND we were undefeated going into the game? If the Super Bowl is the end game do we really need the style points and added pressure of the undefeated season? Obviously ti would be cool, but is it worth it?
 
16-0 regular season and win the Super Bowl by beating the NYG. 10 years apart and the revenge is complete.
 
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