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Perine fumbles a bit (1/103 in 2016).

Foreman and Mixon both fumbled a LOT (1/55).

Gallman (1/149) and Conner (1/237 in 2016) are both pretty good about ball security.

Hunt fumbled only once in 855 touches in his college career and not at all in 2016.

Foreman, with those large hands, should not fumble the way he does.. It's probably a technique issue if I had to take a guess... I'd be interested in hearing from someone who watched him closely on the details of his fumbles.. Is it a lack of awareness? Poor Technique? Bad luck?
 
Get Blount back for 1.5-2m. Need someone to thump little speedy coverage LBs. Blount is a lot to take down, he is an entirely different weapon.

It's unlikely that Blount comes back for less money than Burkhead got, imho..
 
i Like Blount...a LOT

but the whole being unproducting in the postseason bit is worrying

Well, only 29 RBs went over 144 carries in 2016.
Only 19 topped 200.
Only 7 topped 270 (one of which was DeMarco Murray).
Only two topped 300 - Blount and Elliot.

Not a lot of RBs can take that much usage without getting tired toward the end, not even guys a lot younger than Blount.

Blount splitting 350 carries with Burkhead (say, 150-Blount/200-Burkhead) keeps them both fresh and productive through the playoffs and acts as injury insurance. White and (one of) Lewis/Foster/rookie TBD splitting an additional 60-70 carries covers the 410 RB carries that the Pats had in 2016.

But that assumes that Blount actually make the 53-man roster out of Camp.

It seems unlikely to me that Blount would be re-signed before mid-July, assuming that he's still available. There's really no practical reason for him to participate in summer OTAs at this point. Which leaves room for a couple-three rookies (including UDFAs) to show their stuff.

And Blount's contract is likely to be a signing bonus of $150k-$200k on a one-year deal where the total amount hardly matters if he doesn't win the competition in Camp (him vs. Gaffney, rookies and possibly another vet FA).
 
i Like Blount...a LOT

but the whole being unproducting in the postseason bit is worrying

Blount and Lewis were both relatively unproductive in the post-season.

Blount - 35 carries - 109 yards - 1TD - Long of 18 - 1 Fumble - 1 Lost
Lewis - 25 carries - 79 yards - 1TD - Long of 13 - 2 Fumbles - 1 Lost

Now, Lewis I can give a small pass to because he was still getting back to 100% from his ACL.. Blount had some decent carries against Pitt.

One of the issues with Lewis is that he's yet to have a single healthy season.
One of the issues with Blount is that he's never really been a bruiser.. He's just been hard to tackle due to his size..

The Pats were lucky that they had White who could and DID step up in the SB. 2 TDs and a 2 Pt conversion..

It's going to be interesting to see what happens this year with the RBs..
 
Blount performed well in a "timeshare" of sorts with Ridley in 2013 (153 carries to Ridley's 178 with 1-yard difference in production, 772-773).

With the Steelers in 2014, it wasn't a "timeshare". Blount was strictly a backup, getting about 12 snaps per game while Bell got 58. Blount saw nealy as many snaps in 5 games with the Pats as he did in 11 games with the Steelers.

In 2015, before Lewis got hurt, Blount was part of an RBBC in which Lewis averaged 42 snaps/game, Blount 24 and White 14 (through the first seven games only).

If Dallas cuts Morris in the next few weeks, maybe he's worth a look in OTAs . He's just two years younger than Blount (almost to the day), averaged 3.5 ypa last season as a backup to Elliot and was passed on the depth chart late in the season by Darren McFadden (!).

Hightower turns 31 in May (6 months older than Blount), and he did "okay" in limited action for the Saints in 2016. IIRC, the Pats also had Hightower in for a look sometime during his 3-year "hiatus" from the NFL and elected not to sign him.

The thing is that Morris or Hightower would need to learn an offense that Blount already knows well, and the Pats would likely only save about $500k going that way instead of re-signing Blount. And I'm not really sure what you mean by "the headache."
The purpose of my post was to point out that Blount may be looking for considerable more money than people here are assuming he would settle for. He also may be looking for a role here that may no longer exist as the Pats likely see Burkhead as a more important piece going forward.

I'm well aware of the limitations of both Morris and Hightower, was just throwing names out there of vets who may be both cheaper than Blount, available and fill the role of a big type back, since it doesn't appear likely that the Pats want to invest a lot in the position.

Blount has in the past had issues with playing time, so much so that he quit on his team, that's what I mean "the headache". If he's done it in the past, he capable of doing it again.
 
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I hear ya, but these guys owe something to the fans: without us, after all, Marshawn is just some dimwit running into people.

Did Tom Brady owe the fans when he was skipping interviews after the game?

Lynch played hard for the fans. That's all he owes them. He owes the press nothing. Plus, they got a story out of him not talking to them, yammering heads had something to yammer about, rather than some cliche quotes about nothing. Who is really interested in what Marshawn Lynch has to say about the game?

I'm pretty sure Lynch soured on interviews after his time in Buffalo. He's from Oakland and speaks like he is and the writers there made fun of him, insinuated he was dumb. If you saw the segment he did with Gronk on Conan before the Super Bowl, the one he only showed up to not get fined, he was engaging and funny. I really don't think these guys owe the fans more than hard work and respect, and he is beloved by Seahawks fans.

Now where's my commission Marshawn?
 
we will be fine at RB

i just want another edge guy.....and a CB if butler goes

we are looking stacked for next year...
 
The purpose of my post was to point out that Blount may be looking for considerable more money than people here are assuming he would settle for. He also may be looking for a role here that may no longer exist as the Pats likely see Burkhead as a more important piece going forward.

I'm well aware of the limitations of both Morris and Hightower, was just throwing names out there of vets who may be both cheaper than Blount, available and fill the role of a big type back, since it doesn't appear likely that the Pats want to invest a lot in the position.

Blount has in the past had issues with playing time, so much so that he quit on his team, that's what I mean "the headache". If he's done it in the past, he capable of doing it again.

True. Blount may be looking for considerably more money than the $1.1M he made with the Pats in 2016. My guess is that, if he's looking for more than one year and/or anything much more than about $200k guaranteed (almost regardless of the "face value" of the contract) he'll need to find that elsewhere. I just think that there's at least an equal chance that he'd be willing to sign a new contract with the Pats at a slight bump from 2016 for the chance at making the 53-man again for 2017. If Blount hasn't signed elsewhere by the end of July, I think there's a very good chance he re-signs with the Pats (the Pats have had "gentleman's agreements" with older players in Blount's situation in the past).

IF Blount isn't available, I agree the Pats would consider Morris. In fact, I think there's a good chance that he becomes available fairly soon, since DAL just re-signed McFadden for 2017 at a cap hit less than half what Morris' will be ($980k vs. $2.1M).

Either way, Morris or Blount, it wouldn't really be much of an investment if the guy doesn't make the team out of Camp. I mean, re-signing Blount (or Morris) at a relatively cheap price doesn't mean that he's automatically on the 53 at the start of the season. There will almost certainly be competition. However, I do think that BB would like to have a solid backup/relief man for Burkhead in the lead role on the final roster (vet or rookie) in order to avoid having to scramble and sign a Steven Jackson type again to cover an in-season injury.

As to whether or not Blount (or Morris) would be happy in such a role is an open question. Blount has seemed happy in a shared role with the Pats in the past, and we don't know that he's eager at all for another 300+ carry season as the sole lead RB.

That he blew up in PIT may have had as much or more to do with a personal regret for having left the Pats in the first place as it did with his lack of playing time. If so, he may not be all that eager to leave them again (I mean, as long as we're both speculating about what he's thinking).
 
I'm having a hard time seeing space on this roster for a RB that's only there for short yardage situations, particularly that when they had those situations late in the SB they used White effectively. Unless Lewis' hamstring is a complete tear and there's concern that he'll never return to be a strong player, and Burkhead replaces him on the roster rather than supplements him.

On the other hand, all this talk that Belichick is planning on using Burkhead more than other backs because of his contract is silly. The contract amount is just a reflection of the marketplace situation. The coach isn't going to plan to play one player over another because of how much money he's making, any more than he would play a player more because of his draft position. They had to pay a certain amount to get Burkhead on the roster; some analysts were saying he was the best FA RB available, if you look beyond the superficial. Now he's here, and he's on equal footing with everyone else. I'm sure the team would love for an UDFA to come in and make every other RB on the roster unnecessary, including Burkhead.
They certainly aren't paying him that to replace Boldin.
 
Some random 3rd or 5th rounder. We are ok with what we have already, I'd say. And NE will probably choose another this draft.

Fun times to be a Patriot fan.
 
Blount carried 334 times in 2016, regular season and playoffs, and scored 18 TDs - all for a mere $1.1M. The only other times in the BB Era that a Pats featured back has topped 250 carries in a season were Ridley in 2012 and Dillon in 2004.

And all for a mere 3.9 ypc, and a soul-crushing fumble in the Super Bowl, and a 3.1 ypc in the playoffs.

He's only had two worthwhile games ever in the playoffs, both against the softest run defense in recent memory in Indianapolis.

The Patriots can do better, cheaper, younger, and more versatile.
 
And all for a mere 3.9 ypc, and a soul-crushing fumble in the Super Bowl, and a 3.1 ypc in the playoffs.

He's only had two worthwhile games ever in the playoffs, both against the softest run defense in recent memory in Indianapolis.

The Patriots can do better, cheaper, younger, and more versatile.

Can? Or, "may be able to"? I wish I had that kind of certainty about things.

An, lest we forget, Blount contributed a buttload toward getting the Pats TO the post-season.
 
Did Tom Brady owe the fans when he was skipping interviews after the game?

Lynch played hard for the fans. That's all he owes them. He owes the press nothing. Plus, they got a story out of him not talking to them, yammering heads had something to yammer about, rather than some cliche quotes about nothing. Who is really interested in what Marshawn Lynch has to say about the game?

I'm pretty sure Lynch soured on interviews after his time in Buffalo. He's from Oakland and speaks like he is and the writers there made fun of him, insinuated he was dumb. If you saw the segment he did with Gronk on Conan before the Super Bowl, the one he only showed up to not get fined, he was engaging and funny. I really don't think these guys owe the fans more than hard work and respect, and he is beloved by Seahawks fans.

Now where's my commission Marshawn?

I understand. A chacun son gout. The Brady/Lynch comp is WAY far-fetched, by the way. Brady is routinely forthcoming; Lynch is not. Lynch is an ingrate, too much of a baby to do a significant part of his job. I don't respect that; I can't root for that type of guy. As to his being dumb, how would I know? Maybe he is; maybe he isn't. I can't stand Conan either, so there goes THAT data stream. So it goes. Here's a thumbsup.
 
You want a bruising running back, Adrian Peterson.

You want one who bruises other players, that's another story.
 
We get 20 pounds on him, and hell yeah!
Everyone should be on board.
Gotta lower that shoulder though.

Come on now. That shoulder's been on the injury report for 15 years.
 
They certainly aren't paying him that to replace Boldin.

Exactly.
I had viewed him as a Bolden upgrade.
I was wrong.
Obviously, from the contract signed BB views him quite differently than that.
Hope he's right.
 
Can? Or, "may be able to"? I wish I had that kind of certainty about things.

An, lest we forget, Blount contributed a buttload toward getting the Pats TO the post-season.
Can.

LeGarrette Blount 2016:

Until Week 10 (10 Games): 201 carries, 822 yds (4.1 ypc) 12 TD

After Week 10 (inc Playoffs, 9 Games): 133 carries, 449 yds (3.4 ypc) 7 TD


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He was an average NFL back in the first half of the season, and well-below average in the second half. This is not opinion, these are irrefutable facts.

If your position is 'Yay I like Blount Force Trauma because Muskets", fine, then this post isn't for you. The absolute fact of the matter is, you can duplicate Blount's production in someone younger, faster, cheaper, more versatile and better.

Belichick will likely keep Blount like he kept Green-Ellis, like he kept Smith. They weren't very good, but they could pass block and didn't cost you games. If that's all you want, then fine, but I think the Patriots will be looking to get younger, faster and cheaper at the position.
 
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