Here's the most compelling reason NOT to trade Jimmy G. for high picks

amazinPats · Mar 12, 2017

Suppose the team could get a high first round pick or a package of a first rounder and high second round picks: what would they do with them? I mean seriously. Look at every position. You going to spend high on a cornerback? a safety? a linebacker? (Assuming that Hightower gets re-signed) Go for oline? TE? Wide receiver? I mean outside of going after a stud tight end to replace Gronk down the road, I see no compelling reason to stock up on high draft picks. Surely you wouldn't spend a high pick just for a running back, which could be obtained later in the draft?

Examine each position of need on the team, and you have a hard time finding a compelling need to give up a very VALUABLE asset (Jimmy G) in exchange for a draft pick to fill that perceived need.

BB has really built a stacked team. It seems that the teams current needs can be addressed in the draft from the third round on.

Do you see it differently? Discuss.

VectorPrime · Mar 12, 2017

Wrong. Having talented rookies on cheap deals for 5 years under your control is a vital part to team building in today's NFL. You need a steady pipeline of young talent, simple as that.

BelichickFan · Mar 12, 2017

amazinPats said:
Examine each position of need on the team, and you have a hard time finding a compelling need to give up a very VALUABLE asset (Jimmy G) in exchange for a draft pick to fill that perceived need.

I don't disagree with your conclusion of wanting to keep him but he's more of an insurance policy than a valuable asset. His value will plummet once the 2017 trade deadline passes.

amazinPats · Mar 12, 2017

VectorPrime said:
Wrong. Having talented rookies on cheap deals for 5 years under your control is a vital part to team building in today's NFL. You need a steady pipeline of young talent, simple as that.

But is that more important than trading away a strong player at the most important position in football? The team has draft picks next year. Good qbs don't come around very often. I don't think it's that simple.

s3antana5757 · Mar 12, 2017

amazinPats said:
Suppose the team could get a high first round pick or a package of a first rounder and high second round picks: what would they do with them? I mean seriously. Look at every position. You going to spend high on a cornerback? a safety? a linebacker? (Assuming that Hightower gets re-signed) Go for oline? TE? Wide receiver? I mean outside of going after a stud tight end to replace Gronk down the road, I see no compelling reason to stock up on high draft picks. Surely you wouldn't spend a high pick just for a running back, which could be obtained later in the draft?

Examine each position of need on the team, and you have a hard time finding a compelling need to give up a very VALUABLE asset (Jimmy G) in exchange for a draft pick to fill that perceived need.

BB has really built a stacked team. It seems that the teams current needs can be addressed in the draft from the third round on.

Do you see it differently? Discuss.

What's stopping them from taking a QB? Reset the clock on the rookie deal on a QB that you think is similar. Sure, the time in the system is an issue, but is that worth multiple extra picks? I would think so.

Edelmania · Mar 12, 2017

Edge Rusher (Taco Charlton, lots of other guys)
Cover LB (Haasan Reddick)
If we trade Butler we could use a good CB
We could use a tackle in case we lose solder next year
Like you said maybe a TE to develop

Rookies have an extremely cheap 4 year contract and first rounders have a reasonable 5th year option. This team is stacked but lets not pretend there arnt any needs. Having good players on rookie contracts is vital to team building.

Not saying we should trade Garoppolo or not, but high picks still have high value.

JayNM · Mar 12, 2017

Defensive End, Linebacker, Running Back, Center are some of the areas that we could upgrade. Of these, I'd say that DE is definitely a position where is harder to find good one in the later rounds.

And your reasoning doesn't really seem very good, in all honestly. We could draft a stud in the first round and have him cheap for 5 years, which is better than having Jimmy for one or two years.

The reason why we have a good team continually is because every year we renew part of our team. Neglecting it for one year could actually be harmful in the long run.

amazinPats · Mar 12, 2017

I don't know. Just ask Houston or San Francisco, or Cleveland or Minnesota about how hard it is to find good quarterbacks in the draft. If you find a good successor, you keep him. And you especially keep him if your draft needs are minimal.

supafly · Mar 12, 2017

amazinPats said:
I don't know. Just ask Houston or San Francisco, or Cleveland or Minnesota about how hard it is to find good quarterbacks in the draft. If you find a good successor, you keep him. And you especially keep him if your draft needs are minimal.

No one should be debating this point, but the million dollar question then becomes how you're able to pay both Brady/Garoppolo next season and beyond.

Difficult to envision seeing Belichick alright with paying good money to a guy standing on the sidelines.

amazinPats · Mar 12, 2017

I'm not suggesting we ditch the draft folks. We have draft picks from the third round on this year. That means cheap developmental guys--the type of players we have built our team on. We've got a full compliment of picks next year. Given these assets, is it worth trading away a valuable successor at the quarterback position? This is an honest question. I don't think the answer is clear cut.

sb1 · Mar 12, 2017

Sell high. Applies to business and football teams too.

amazinPats · Mar 12, 2017

supafly said:
No one should be debating this point, but the million dollar question then becomes how you're able to pay both Brady/Garoppolo next season and beyond.

Difficult to envision seeing Belichick alright with paying good money to a guy standing on the sidelines.

Yes, this is the main question. If BB keeps Jimmy, then I'm sure he plans to keep him beyond just a year or two. How many more seasons can we genuinely expect to get out of Brady?

Crazy Patriot Guy · Mar 12, 2017

amazinPats said:
I don't know. Just ask Houston or San Francisco, or Cleveland or Minnesota about how hard it is to find good quarterbacks in the draft. If you find a good successor, you keep him. And you especially keep him if your draft needs are minimal.

So do you suggest we move on from Brady? Because Jimmy is not a good successor if he leaves in free agency two or three years before Tom calls it quits.

supafly · Mar 12, 2017

amazinPats said:
Yes, this is the main question. If BB keeps Jimmy, then I'm sure he plans to keep him beyond just a year or two. How many more seasons can we genuinely expect to get out of Brady?

I'm in agreement with you that a succession plan should be considered, but I don't know if anyone honestly knows the answer to your question. It will be interesting to see how this situation is handled. I'm just very skeptical to believe that they'd be able to actually pull it off.

amazinPats · Mar 12, 2017

Crazy Patriot Guy said:
So do you suggest we move on from Brady? Because Jimmy is not a good successor if he leaves in free agency two or three years before Tom calls it quits.

If BB keeps Jimmy, I doubt his plan is just for 1-2 years. He'd be keeping him as a replacement for Tom Brady. It is not my assessment to make. It's Bill Belichick's. If he keeps Jimmy this year, then I assume he is expecting only another year or two out of Tom Brady.

Crazy Patriot Guy · Mar 12, 2017

amazinPats said:
If BB keeps Jimmy, I doubt his plan is just for 1-2 years. He'd be keeping him as a replacement for Tom Brady. It is not my assessment to make. It's Bill Belichick's. If he keeps Jimmy this year, then I assume he is expecting only another year or two out of Tom Brady.

I know it's a business and Bill will do what's best for the team. But I certainly don't want to see Brady released or traded just because we have a young QB available to take over. And if Brady is here next season, it'll mean franchising Jimmy and paying him more than the GOAT. That simply will not work.

PatsWickedPissah · Mar 12, 2017

amazinPats said:
Suppose the team could get a high first round pick or a package of a first rounder and high second round picks: what would they do with them? I mean seriously. Look at every position. You going to spend high on a cornerback? a safety? a linebacker? (Assuming that Hightower gets re-signed) Go for oline? TE? Wide receiver? I mean outside of going after a stud tight end to replace Gronk down the road, I see no compelling reason to stock up on high draft picks. Surely you wouldn't spend a high pick just for a running back, which could be obtained later in the draft?

Examine each position of need on the team, and you have a hard time finding a compelling need to give up a very VALUABLE asset (Jimmy G) in exchange for a draft pick to fill that perceived need.

BB has really built a stacked team. It seems that the teams current needs can be addressed in the draft from the third round on.

Do you see it differently? Discuss.

TOTALLY differently:
Convert the JAG 1st rounder + (maybe a 2nd or 3rd???)
Trade down for multiple picks

Draft a CB to protect against Malcom's departure next year if not this year
An OT would improve the OL
A large, quality OC would help TFB's health
A LB to replace Collins, Hightower
A TE to prepare for Gronk's annual injury or back problems
A RB who can get 3 yards when you MUST have them...

Xerostomia · Mar 12, 2017

BB believes that they win in 2011 with a healthy Gronk, and probably also make it to the SB in 2012. He is 1 player and not even the QB.

The QB is the most important position on the team. I mentioned this in the other thread, but the value of JG to the Pats is if BB believes that he can make it to the SB with him (and a healthy team).

If the Pats are not in the conversation for the SB with JG at the helm, then you make the trade. If they are, then why even think of trading him?

Ivan · Mar 12, 2017

amazinPats said:
Yes, this is the main question. If BB keeps Jimmy, then I'm sure he plans to keep him beyond just a year or two. How many more seasons can we genuinely expect to get out of Brady?

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PatsWickedPissah · Mar 12, 2017

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