Butler could still go to NO - here's how.

LOL If this were to happen, this would be....incredible!

Not sure why they'd need to go through the RFA mechanic for that.

Once Butler's people agree with the Saints on a contract he then just could sign the tender, the Pats trade him to the Saints for whatever compensation and then the Saints extend him.

JMC00 said:

Saints would have to give up their 1st round pick to do it, which is #11. Not sure they are gonna want to part with that pick.

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Although in this scenario, the Saints still would retain the #32 pick that was just traded to them by NE

There still could be another shoe to drop on this deal but the Patriots are coming out of this free agency in really good shape.

As much as I would love that #11 it wouldn't surprise me if they had a deal in place to give back the #32 in return for Butler. I think both teams wanted to get this done and couldn't as long as Butler wasn't signed to his tender, so they made a tentative deal for the pick but gave the Saints the right to talk to Butler's agent to see if something could be worked out long term. However if I were the Saints I would rather have the pick because shelling out big money to a Corner on a really bad defense doesn't make sense to me, it would make more sense if they had a strong front seven and a top flight Corner could transform them into a much better defense, but a Corner isn't going to make much difference if you can't stop the run or get to the QB. With two firsts they could get Foster out of Alabama, then go Corner and get a pass rusher with #32 and #43.

Kdo5 said:

Yeah, I still think Butler is headed to NO. I can't imagine the Saints got fleeced that bad. Wasn't it reported that they turned down like the #14 pick for Cooks. There has to be more to it.

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Did that #14 pick talk come from a Mort Distort?

No thanks I would love to have the Butler for one more Lombardi.

The Patriots traded a first and a third round pick for Cooks, thats too much, Im sure they have a gentleman's agreement in place, and since it's between NE and NO, they must be using burner phones to settle the details.

Butler is gone, book it.

varjao said:

The Patriots traded a first and a third round pick for Cooks, thats too much, Im sure they have a gentleman's agreement in place, and since it's between NE and NO, they must be using burner phones to settle the details.

Butler is gone, book it.

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they got back a 4th, wasn't just a 1st and 3rd

It makes for interesting chatter. If Butler left w/o the Big CB signing, I'd be concerned. If somehow HT returns to the fold, and as much as I think Butler is gold, the moves this week improve the team.

If somehow "this is it" and NE is gearing up for Butler & Gilmore for 2017...... (where IS Spikes for a well-placed #powwwwwwwwwww ?)

I find it hard to believe they would do a deal with an agreement to trade butler at a later date. Butler could sign an offer sheet elsewhere and mess any agreement up.

Sure the two teams could revisit a trade at a later date but it would have nothing to do with the cooks trade

For all it's worth.. Curran and Perry released an extra episode of the Quick Slants podcast a few hours ago. I'd recommend it to anyone anyway but among other things Curran said is that he heard additional whispers that Butler's agent doesn't really know what he is doing.

luuked said:

For all it's worth.. Curran and Perry released an extra episode of the Quick Slants podcast a few hours ago. I'd recommend it to anyone anyway but among other things Curran said is that he heard additional whispers that Butler's agent doesn't really know what he is doing.

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This makes the most sense.

IndianPat said:

New Orleans offers a cap friendly, but market fair contract to Malcolm Butler. Patriots do not match it, even if they could, because of a prior wink wink arrangement with New Orleans. Butler signs with New Orleans and Patriots get their first round pick back.
Butler has not signed the tender yet. (Nor he should, until he gauges the market.) I feel that there might be quite a bit of haggling going on between NO and MB's agent. Let things cool a bit before making the offer?
This scenario is pure speculation on my part. I got the chills when I read that Butler was not a part of the Cooks trade. I love MB. He is Ty Lawesque. I would love it if some poster can point out that this scenario is not feasible.

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Love Malcolm but he's a tier below Ty

IndianPat said:

New Orleans offers a cap friendly, but market fair contract to Malcolm Butler. Patriots do not match it, even if they could, because of a prior wink wink arrangement with New Orleans. Butler signs with New Orleans and Patriots get their first round pick back.
Butler has not signed the tender yet. (Nor he should, until he gauges the market.) I feel that there might be quite a bit of haggling going on between NO and MB's agent. Let things cool a bit before making the offer?
This scenario is pure speculation on my part. I got the chills when I read that Butler was not a part of the Cooks trade. I love MB. He is Ty Lawesque. I would love it if some poster can point out that this scenario is not feasible.

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Makes no sense. Patriots would get saints original pick not the 32.
The saints would have just taken butler in the trade instead of the 1 if they wanted to do that.

this trade has nothing to do with butler

If it did they would have just waited until Butler signed his tender

Butler can hold out until after the draft by not signing his tender iirc

Wish we knew if Lattimore would be there at #11 haha.

I don't think deals like that are legal... Probably get busted for combining trades.

luuked said:

For all it's worth.. Curran and Perry released an extra episode of the Quick Slants podcast a few hours ago. I'd recommend it to anyone anyway but among other things Curran said is that he heard additional whispers that Butler's agent doesn't really know what he is doing.

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Thats what i thought all along. An inexperienced agent with his only client trying to get his $$ now and not knowing what he is doing and not wanting to get fleeced by bill.

History tells us bill knows the market better than the agents. I have a feeling pats get something done with butler eventually.

I refuse to read or hear anything more about Butler leaving if he gets traded or about the ridiculous notion of him being a cancer if he signs the offer and comes back. He deserves better than that.