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How the brain trust of the greatest football dynasty pulls off the ultimate succession plan


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Andy all those ironclad assumptions you're asserting are more plausible IMO if it's 2012, Brady is 35 not 40, and BB didn't have a QB that apparently he loves who could be the successor soon. That's middlegame conditions. We're not at the transition point yet, but the reality is we're only a few years from the endgame of TB and maybe BB, and in the inflection zone. And Krafts and BBs planning horizon goes beyond three years. And the. I agree the harder part is getting the QBs to willingly go along but Brady might just do it as he he inevitably grows and ages. JG might strongly prefer Pats situation if time and $$ are not ideal but w patience are palatable.

Your first point about these people being required to make sacrifices for the sake of each other in this scenario? That's the dictionary definition of the Patriot Way...just saying
There is no "time w patience are palatable" scenario for a highly talented young guy when his career can end on the Practice Field in July and he can either be franchised for $25 million or negotiate a four year deal with $50 or so guaranteed while he's still healthy.

We have no idea if we are "a few years" or one play from "the endgame of TB."

As I said above, there is no way for the Patriots to avoid a very tough decision, one way or the other.

I honestly have no idea how this will play out, but it's not going to play out as you describe it.
 
luuked--I know that's how you see it and it's pretty black and white to you (and god knows most see it like you). But suppose they all are willing to compromise somewhat, and are thinking long term dynasty acheivement. JG would get a lot of guaranteed money in this scenario and know he work towards being a starter in a great situation.

This proposal doesn't have him starting until the season he turns 29, 4 years after Rodgers got his start.

The only comparable great player would be Young, who sat behind Montana until age 30. But that was a different era. Young would only play around 8 years before injuries took over.

Honestly, I'd be a bit worried about Jimmy G if he'd be willing to trade 3 years of his prime for a ton of money.
 
I'm not getting caught up in this but the reality is....

BB is here for a few more years . Maybe it's Josh or Matty P who takes over....Or someone else.

Caserio is good. Seems to me they have a bullpen full of quality FO candidates.

GOAT is here for two years. Maybe it's Brisket. Maybe it's a 2017 pick that takes over. One thing is clear. They need an A+ player here. That's the hot spot.

RK is dating co-eds and buying Goody ice cream. JK is running the day to day now anyway and will take over the joint. He is fine.

The important thing is the culture and system stays in place and have high-quality options to execute at a high level.

What I do know is this: anything less than TB12+BB+RK is a downgrade.

We will never see this again in our lives and I refuse to spend more than this post contemplating fan-life without them.

This train still has a decent amount of track left. Enjoy the ride.
 
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This proposal doesn't have him starting until the season he turns 29, 4 years after Rodgers got his start.

The only comparable great player would be Young, who sat behind Montana until age 30. But that was a different era. Young would only play around 8 years before injuries took over.

Honestly, I'd be a bit worried about Jimmy G if he'd be willing to trade 3 years of his prime for a ton of money.
Young stated in the usfl then started and failed in Tampa before being traded to SF to backup and eventually replace Joe cool.
 
I've said this before and I've posted this quote before because when I originally read this article it sent a chill down my spine.

"Kraft never answered my question about a disagreeable ending between the team and Brady, except to say something about the two of them working together to restructure the quarterback’s contract, which was far more complicated than people realized. “With all due respect to the media, they don’t know what’s really going on,” Kraft told me. “No one would believe what’s really going on.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/01/magazine/tom-brady-cannot-stop.html?_r=0

I think Kraft, Belichick and Brady are planning out some kind of succession. Except I don't think it involves McDaniels and Garoppolo.

Kraft is going to pass the team onto his son obviously. The kicker is that Belichick is going to do the same. He's grooming his son to take over. The mystery is how Brady fits into the succession.

I think Brady is far more ambitious than anyone realizes and has big plans for the future after football. I think his part of the succession is that he gets an ownership stake when he retires. Possibly he and Belichick might have some kind of front office involvement as well.
 
This really reads like fan fiction. Football teams no matter what the situation function at their best in black or white terms. Bill will not hold hands like some nuturing father and talk about super dynasty's and sharing. Asking agents and players what they want and how they feel. What bill will do is what he always does, he will look at his options and make an unapologetic unemotional decision that is best for the football team.
 
Young stated in the usfl then started and failed in Tampa before being traded to SF to backup and eventually replace Joe cool.

I know, there's no 100% exact scenario like this that has worked out. But that is a similar case of a successful succession at a later age.
 
I think it's fairly obvious that we will move on from Jimmy at some point between now and next year. Whether it will be in a trade before this season, during camp, via franchised trade next year or just let him leave as FA nobody knows yet.


What it boils down to is that Garrapollo recently said in an interview with Schefter (?) that he wants to play football. As long as Brady doesn't retire he won't play here. He will not accept a contract that pays him as a backup and BB won't pay him starter money (Osweiler+ territory) while Brady is on the payroll as well.

The timing in this situation as long as Brady stays healthy and doesn't fall of an edge this year will just not work out. If he were another 3 years on a rookie contract the situation would be dramatically different.
JRG is JAG
 
This is an awesome thread, and very cool idea.
Probably won't ever happen, just too many variables and egos as others have said.
But I love the theory, and don't give it 0% probability
Thanks for writing it up!
 
.....................Kraft is going to pass the team onto his son obviously. The kicker is that Belichick is going to do the same. He's grooming his son to take over. ................................ .

Anyone, did I very recently see a blurb where Bill's son may have stated he may not want to be a head coach due to the massive time commitment on his life?
 
Just a thought, would Jimmy G agree to stick around a few years if he were offered a contract that paid him a few years at borderline backup/starter money beginning in 2017? The Pats have tons of cap room this offseason, and do not seem to be in a big rush to keep their own FAs. Speculation here, but maybe part of the plan is to try to re-sign Jimmy G at the $7 - $10 million range.
 
I think that's possible as part of the overall solution.

Most of the few reactions to the scenario have been that's it's impossible, that it requires too much unnatural behavior from TB and JG particularly.

But if you thought the most likely event is that Brady plays three more seasons, and BB thinks JG is a franchise QB who can win Super Bowls, people who say it's impossible to both keep JG and TB in a transition might be surprised.
 
I think that's possible as part of the overall solution.

Most of the few reactions to the scenario have been that's it's impossible, that it requires too much unnatural behavior from TB and JG particularly.

But if you thought the most likely event is that Brady plays three more seasons, and BB thinks JG is a franchise QB who can win Super Bowls, people who say it's impossible to both keep JG and TB in a transition might be surprised.
It's just not possible.
 
I'd replace Josh w/ Matty P / and Caserio takes over for BB as GM.
 

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Tom could play at a championship level for another eight years.
 
I decided to create a new thread on the JG situation, because I think it's a bit different than trade or not trade. But mods feel free to merge in if warranted. Everyone's so polarized on this now--there's only two options; Brady/JG would NEVER agree to do XYZ; it makes no sense for Pats to pay for both; etc. But I honestly believe the PATS are trying to find a different solution, and will possibly do so unless blown away with immediate draft picks.

So, here's a kind of "can-do" thought experiment that I think is interesting (it's long--advance warning): Suppose there's a PATS brain trust room, and in that room are sitting Bob and Jonathan Kraft, BB and say Josh, TB12 and Jimmy G, their agent Don Yee, and throw in Ernie Adams just for the extra brainpower. In this scenario, they are going to work with a set of assumptions below and try to come up with a possible win-win-win for all parties.

Now make the following assumptions:

Everyone around the table embraces the challenge of the greatest dynasty in the history of football to figure out how to pull off the greatest transition and succession plan in the history of football. This is because they all truly like and respect each other and because they want to try to solve a tough problem. And it's obviously a really tough problem with no easy solutions.

They are willing to balance short term and long term. And no one's going to get everything they want 100%--there will be some give and take and real compromise.

Current owner/coach/QB troika leading the team is Robert/BB/TB. All of those guys has a successor identified and on board right now, and they all share the vision that the next generation can be Jonathan/Josh/Jimmy.

This assumes PATS believe JG is the next TB, a true 10 year franchise QB, and they're not just posturing to trade him. The existing GOAT leadership team wants and are mentally fine with the three J's taking over in a low single digit number of years. And the three J's all love each other as well and want to work with each other for a long time.

Robert is no spring chicken and ideally wants to hand off an ongoing powerhouse to his son, not a disaster. BB doesn't want to coach that much longer and wants a great transition to nextgen to be part of HIS legacy-- grooming Josh, staff, hell even his sons, and pulling off the QB piece brilliantly. Vs Walsh or Lombardi who walked away, Landry got fired before the transition. No Coach/GM has ever pulled this off and Mr NFL history buff BB wants to do it. Now there's the very tricky QB part.

Assume Brady is playing at least two more years. He's said next year is not his last year recently. After that, it's uncertain. That could be it, could be couple more after that, who knows with this guy. But let's assume Brady is open to making doing what's best for the team, not just now but long term, also at least part of his legacy. I know this is a stretch assumption for ultra-competitive, win-now, I'm dying-on-the-field TB. And assume they won't trade TB ever and they all want him to end his career here ideally with more rings. But TB has shown a willingness to trade off some $$ and do what is in the best interest of his beloved PATS.

JG: making this work with Jimmy is hard. His first choice by far is getting paid starting QB money asap and starting for a team, and doing it for as long as possible. Yet, he's fully seen and tasted the PATS system, and would love that to be here. He's open to the possibility of trading off some $ and some time, IF he knows he's going to be in the right situation vs going to a crappy rebuild w new coach/system/culture. Again, he's a competitor and it's a big stretch, but assume it's true and they're all exploring common ground.

So, what might the solution look like, if there was one with all these creative smart football and business minds sitting around together in the bowels of Gillette Stadium?

The only solution I can see is that they all agree now on the following:

- Robert/BB/TB are all stepping down together prior to the 2020 season. So three more years. It could possibly work with 4 more, but three is easier.

- Jonathan/Josh/Jimmy are succeeding them at that point.

- Brady going along with the plan is perhaps the toughest part of this transition. He has to be OK with it and mentally accept it as a defining piece of the end of his PATS legacy. It's part of working with his admired mentors Robert and BB to plan it and pull it off together. He's would have to probably restructure and almost certainly even reduce pay a fair amount in last two years of the cut-over to make it work allowing room for Jimmy's increasing cap hit. That's a big assumption obviously, but he has a lot of $$ already and maybe, just maybe he'd see it as the ultimate $ team sacrifice that he's already noted for. ALso, Brady'd have to be psychologically OK with locking down a career end date in three years now, vs "I'll see how I feel year to year". And his better half might like the certainty of this plan. TB would have to innovate along with BB, JG and Josh how you plan to win the super bowl every year while still planning a smooth transition. For example, the best plan they all cook up could involve Brady willingly sacrificing increasing playing time to JG as 2020 approaches. This could be good for TB's longevity and also great for JG's development and readiness. Yep, I know this planned QB scheme has never worked before. But the PATS are going to be doing something that never has been done before in this ideal scenario, so by definition it's gonna make you think it's really off the wall. Personally, I think they'd all like the challenge of still winning now and building the transition correctly, like a great dynasty or empire or corporate succession plan never before seen in NFL annals. (Remember Red Auerbach made Bill Russell the player coach at the end and the Celts won more championships--and think how radical and brilliant that transition move was at the time, on so many levels...)

- Josh gets a deal to remain as OC and #2, with a very long term extension now through say 2024. He gets paid as some hybrid of OC and head coach immediately but very generous $$, with it jumping to HC pay in 2020. This is outside the salary cap, it's just a cost of transition to the Kraft family. Josh stays off the market because he is guaranteed the PATS head coach job after three more years, and he's willing to make the short term sacrifice because: he knows and likes the owner; he will know he starts with a great QB situation; he will have team continuity; he's patient and smart and will wait for a known situation.

- Jimmy's deal (and his mindset about the $ and time tradeoff) has to be similar to Josh's, but there is the salary cap for players and other team factors. So Jimmy also gets an unprecedented immediate extension and huge offer to stay through 2024. So maybe it's literally like an $80-100MM deal with half guaranteed. Remember, in the assumptions of this scenario, Jimmy 100% IS believed by all the the room to be a franchise QB on close-to-Brady level, just a lot younger and unfortunately just ready 2-3 years too soon. The timing is such that Jimmy gets a very decent bump next year, to maybe $3MM, then like Josh, his pay goes up meaningfully in 2018 and 2019 even though Brady is expected to be the primary starter.

- Jimmy will make meaningful contributions to QB play in real game situations, even playoffs potentially. Remember, as BB said, if you close your eyes you can't sometimes tell the difference in whose running the play or throwing it. I'm not sure exactly what the numbers would have to be but you get the idea. The sum of TB and JG's pay would have to work under the cap in 2018 and 2019. It would surely be measurably higher summed together under this plan. And so in those years they might have to have a younger/cheaper team they're building and competing with in the bridge years, because you would think there has to be a cost to the two QB transition that must be absorbed.

But if this brain trust believes in these assumptions, and is determined to figure out a way to make it work, who else is better suited to pull off the unthinkable?

Thoughts?

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