Mason and Rowe in top 10 most improved 2nd year players (PFF, Ya I know)

JMC00 · Feb 28, 2017

5. Shaq Mason, G, New England Patriots
2015 overall grade: 50.7

2016 overall grade: 84.0

With the Patriots’ offensive line in a state of flux for much of the 2015 season, Mason struggled to find his footing. He switched from LG to RG at the start of the 2015 postseason and hasn’t looked back since, grading at 84.0 in 2016 compared to his 50.7 grade in 2015. Mason was a run-blocking monster in college within Georgia Tech’s triple option offense, and he has formed one of the league’s most dominant and formidable double-team or combination blocks with RT Marcus Cannon. As a pair, they will move pretty much anybody off the line and open up space for the Patriots’ backs. His 2016 run-blocking grade finished 10th among all guards

8. Eric Rowe, CB, New England Patriots
2015 overall grade: 48.8

2016 overall grade: 73.9

After a disappointing rookie season with the Eagles, Rowe was traded to New England, where he became one of the team’s three top corners over the season and through the playoffs, ultimately earning himself a Super Bowl ring. The change in scenery clearly had an impact, as his grade improved from 48.8 to 73.9. He allowed only 50 percent of targets thrown his way to be completed, gave up just 75 yards after the catch and conceded one touchdown (postseason play included). He also missed only two tackles, the lowest mark among the Patriots’ top defensive backs.

Joey007 · Feb 28, 2017

PFF?

That's pure witchcraft around these parts!

Adam Seward · Feb 28, 2017

Who knows about their proprietary grading metrics but the raw stats on Rowe are pretty encouraging.

Patriotism · Feb 28, 2017

Belichick continues his mastery of knowing who to dump and when, and who to pluck off the scrap heap and turn one man's garbage into another man's treasure

Dexter · Feb 28, 2017

Was surprised Flowers wasn't there, they had him when they did year 2 jump top two players by position.

Vindicate · Feb 28, 2017

Dexter said:
Was surprised Flowers wasn't there, they had him when they did year 2 jump top two players by position.

He didn't play much last season but when he did he did pretty damn well, right? Maybe he was graded highly already so the jump wasn't as noticeable as Rowe's and Mason's.

BobDigital · Feb 28, 2017

Mason is mostly just improvement. Rowe improved too but part of it was playing to his skill set more and putting better defenders around him to help him out.

luuked · Feb 28, 2017

I hope both still have another jump in them.. especially Rowe..

Ring 6 · Feb 28, 2017

JMC00 said:
5. Shaq Mason, G, New England Patriots
2015 overall grade: 50.7

2016 overall grade: 84.0

With the Patriots’ offensive line in a state of flux for much of the 2015 season, Mason struggled to find his footing. He switched from LG to RG at the start of the 2015 postseason and hasn’t looked back since, grading at 84.0 in 2016 compared to his 50.7 grade in 2015. Mason was a run-blocking monster in college within Georgia Tech’s triple option offense, and he has formed one of the league’s most dominant and formidable double-team or combination blocks with RT Marcus Cannon. As a pair, they will move pretty much anybody off the line and open up space for the Patriots’ backs. His 2016 run-blocking grade finished 10th among all guards

8. Eric Rowe, CB, New England Patriots
2015 overall grade: 48.8

2016 overall grade: 73.9

After a disappointing rookie season with the Eagles, Rowe was traded to New England, where he became one of the team’s three top corners over the season and through the playoffs, ultimately earning himself a Super Bowl ring. The change in scenery clearly had an impact, as his grade improved from 48.8 to 73.9. He allowed only 50 percent of targets thrown his way to be completed, gave up just 75 yards after the catch and conceded one touchdown (postseason play included). He also missed only two tackles, the lowest mark among the Patriots’ top defensive backs.

The problem with PFF is that they try to rate things they do not understand.
You cannot give a DB passer rating against unless the team plays nothing but man (in which case it wouldn't be comparable to anything) or that you know the defense called and the coverage. To pretend that you can is putting a stat on something that is vague and calling it fact.
The same goes on the OL. Unless you know the blocking scheme and protections you cannot accurately judge an OL.

Additionally, their grading system is stupid. For example you get more credit for throwing into tight coverage, even if it is incomplete, that you get for throwing to a wide open man. Where QBs are concerned they actually penalize good decisions, based on an easy throw has no value but a hard one has a lot, ignoring that the easy throw comes from good decision making.

For these reasons, PFF is useless.

Statistics are supposed to be FACT. PFF takes (uniformed) opinion and tries to present them as statistic and fact.

shmessy · Feb 28, 2017

Dexter said:
Was surprised Flowers wasn't there, they had him when they did year 2 jump top two players by position.

Definitely - - he made a FAR bigger jump (can't get lower than being on IR in first year - - b ut maybe that's what disqualified him from the list).

Dexter · Feb 28, 2017

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