Some new insight to JG trade by LaCanfora

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EDIT: Let's separate fact from fiction in QB market for Romo, Garoppolo and Cousins

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Brady isn’t going anywhere for several years. People can talk about how quickly Peyton Manning hit the wall and all, but Brady doesn’t have the same neck/nerve issues, his offensive line is much improved, and he truly is dead set on playing until age 45 or as close as he can get to it. I firmly believe he has one more contract with New England still in him.

So how long is Garoppolo supposed to sit?

I don’t anticipate Belichick himself investing a lot of energy or resources into negotiating a trade at all -- that’s up to agent Don Yee, who represents Brady and Garoppolo. If Yee finds a team that his player is willing to sign with long-term, and that team presents a package of assets that is to Belichick’s liking, then he’ll gladly move on with Brady and Jacoby Brissett for 2017 and continue to draft developmental quarterbacks along the way to find his next Cassel/Brian Hoyer/Ryan Mallett/Garoppolo. The only difference here is that Jimmy G truly has a chance to be a special starter elsewhere, and he’s already displayed that in meaningful NFL games.

If anything, I’d say every factor -- including Brady’s Super Bowl MVP season -- points to a deal going down. And after Sam Bradford just went for a 1 and a 4 -- albeit it under duress -- you can’t convince me teams won’t be willing to give Belichick something similar. I’d also point out that, of the interested teams, Yee has known Bears GM Ryan Pace from his earliest days, as Yee represents Saints coach Sean Payton, and Pace went straight from Eastern Illinois to start a 14-year run with the Saints front office. Yee knows well just how much Payton and Pace valued Garoppolo in the draft. Putting a deal together between those two wouldn’t be difficult.

Yee has also known Browns coach Hue Jackson since his earliest days in college coaching, like when he first became an offensive coordinator at Cal in 1996 (Yee is a Cal grad). And Yee has known 49ers coach Kyle Shanahan kinda, sorta his entire life as Yee has a long relationship with Kyle’s dad, Mike Shanahan, and Mike Shanahan is one of the top consultants in the new Pacific Pro Football League that Yee is launching to develop NFL prospects.

So, let’s just say there are plenty of pre-existing relationships and bonds that wouldn’t exactly form obstacles to a potential blockbuster trade/signing.

Link sends you to create a thread.

Ummm...I haven't read the entire CBA, but wouldn't Yee talking to teams about trading for Jimmy be tampering? As far as we know, the team has not given Jimmy permission to seek a trade.

So is LaCanfora breaking news that this permission has been requested/granted? Or is this like that radio host who suggested a trade that was technically impossible to do because he hasn't done his research? Or am I misunderstanding the CBA?

Jlaff said:

Link sends you to create a thread.

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Tried same thing. Need new link

I would like to see jimmy g go to the bears.

Found the link:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...romo-garoppolo-and-cousins/amp/?client=safari

Let's separate fact from fiction in QB market for Romo, Garoppolo and Cousins

Above is the link for the quote in the OP. If the link isn't functional, it would be appreciated if someone who actually knew what they were doing would post it.

Two points: it should not be a surprise that Don Yee is fundamental to this process as it was always going to have to include a long-term contract extension with the new team. As such, Garoppolo has a say in where he's going. It's not just about who offers the most compensation to the Pats.

Secondly, to get full compensation value, a trade including conditional picks might be the way to go. My favorite scenario at this point: Garoppolo to the Bears for the Bears 2nd round pick this year plus acquiring Akiem Hicks back (he and Trey Flowers would be a lethal 3rd down interior rush duo) and conditional pick(s) in the 2018 and/or 19 draft.

I don’t anticipate Belichick himself investing a lot of energy or resources into negotiating a trade at all -- that’s up to agent Don Yee,

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It's up to Don Yee to work out a trade for the Patriots?

This is what La Canfora is claiming?

convertedpatsfan said:

Ummm...I haven't read the entire CBA, but wouldn't Yee talking to teams about trading for Jimmy be tampering? As far as we know, the team has not given Jimmy permission to seek a trade.

So is LaCanfora breaking news that this permission has been requested/granted? Or is this like that radio host who suggested a trade that was technically impossible to do because he hasn't done his research? Or am I misunderstanding the CBA?

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They may have without us knowing, or they may in the near future.

Wow, the old shared agent angle. The media is really self-flagellating (i.e. beating itself off) on this whole JG trade thing. I'm hoping there's a happy ending soon!

TBR said:

It's up to Don Yee to work out a trade for the Patriots?

This is what La Canfora is claiming?

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The best deal would be reached only if JG is part of the negotiations. The patriots only have his services for one year. With his cooperation, a team would get a long term deal.

This can happen in two principal ways. The team could re-sign JG and then trade him, perhaps signing him to a contract that allows him veto a certain number of teams who we might trade him to.

The other, much more realistic is for the team to give Yee permission to seek potential deals and present them to the team.
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Th final way is the least likely, just trade the service of JG with one year left on the contract. Such a team would simply hope that they could extend JP. That option seems to provide the poorest return to the patriots.

ctpatsfan77 said:

They may have without us knowing, or they may in the near future.

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That's possible. I just don't understand LaCanfora writing that a deal will rely heavily on Yee working with other teams to find a fit.

That implies:

A) the Patriots have given said permission, or
B) LaCanfora thinks teams are free to have contract discussions with the agent of a player currently under contract even though the current team has not given permission to do so.

If b), that is tampering. So either LaCanfora is breaking news about the Patriots granting permission to seek a trade, or he's wrong to claim Yee should be working behind the scenes to make a trade happen for Jimmy G.

lusdawg said:

Found the link:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...romo-garoppolo-and-cousins/amp/?client=safari

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Thanks, man.

Strange about that link though .. I could swear I was sober at the time..

I do not see BB giving up this much power, also do not see the sign and trade scenario.

JG is attractive is that he is going to a team for "small money", and they will then have a year to figure out what they have got and if he can function in their system.. that in itself seems to make him more attractive, than a QB under contract..

How many backups to #12 have we seen that were so attractive to other teams as they grew up in the Pats systems only to be backups.. Cassell, Hoyer, Mallett etc.

Overall there seems to be a tendency to overvalue JG, but what do I know..

Maybe I'm reading it wrong ( wouldn't be the first time) but I view it as the team is giving Yee tacit ( or explicit) permission to negotiate a long term deal for Jimmy with different teams and then said team will come to the Pats and BB to negotiate the trade pieces , i.e. which draft picks and players...

As for a sign and trade, aren't there cap implications re accelerated bonuses for things like that???

convertedpatsfan said:

Ummm...I haven't read the entire CBA, but wouldn't Yee talking to teams about trading for Jimmy be tampering? As far as we know, the team has not given Jimmy permission to seek a trade.

So is LaCanfora breaking news that this permission has been requested/granted? Or is this like that radio host who suggested a trade that was technically impossible to do because he hasn't done his research? Or am I misunderstanding the CBA?

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In trade negotiations? I seriously doubt it. Even if it were technically "tampering" as defined by the CBA, it's probably not good business to file a tampering complaint against a team you're trying to negotiate a trade with.

Uh, yeah. That's tampering.

Say it with me: "Mr. Yee, I cannot discuss this matter, since your client is under contract with another team."

Unless Belichick authorized Yee to find the trading partner. In which case, Belichick has taking the initiative by opening the door to receive trades proposals.

If the Pats give Yee permission to talk to other teams about Garoppolo, it isn't tampering. They let Branch and his agent shop for a trade while under contract. Granted, that blew up in their face when Branch found trade partners who were willing to give up a first for him. But the Pats wanted to keep Branch and they wanted to show Branch he was looking for too much money. In this case, they would trade Garoppolo for the right trade offer.

DarrylS said:

JG is attractive

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Are you saying that will help his trade value?

I don't see Belichick giving an agent the free reign to make deals for him.