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Watching all of the conflicting news stories and predictions/opinions about Jimmy G's future has been interesting. But obviously none of us know what will happen, and that includes BB. That's why it's strange to see people claiming we "HAVE" to trade him or keep him. We don't "have" to do anything. And I think the worst thing you can do when facing a big decision is lock yourself into having to do something.

People often overlook that BB got his bachelor's in economics. He has a hard value on pretty much every single player on the roster. Maybe even Brady, or maybe he's the exception. Either way, BB will not feel pressure to do or not do anything. He's looking at this as a rational economic decision based on value.

That value will be based on a lot of different factors. For someone like Jimmy, it's obviously his contract status, but also his ceiling, his current growth, his value to other teams, his value to the current team and a potential Brady injury, factoring in the odds of Brady falling off a cliff like many old QBs.

Remember, Manning won the MVP in 2013 with a record-setting offensive year, played the first half of 2014 similarly, then fell to JAG level. Favre had perhaps his best season since his MVP run with the Vikings, getting to the NFCCG, but his next season would be his last. Brady is in better shape than both, but nobody, including Brady knows what the future holds so BB has to be making some allowance for that in his mind.

However he calculates that, he has a specific value in mind for Jimmy G, and that value has changed every year he's been with us. And that value also means he holds value to us on the roster. So it becomes very simple. Whatever that value is, if some team offers more, BB will pull the trigger. If they don't, he won't. If he's worth a 1st to us because of the high floor he gives us as a backup, his potential to be a Brady replacement, and his ability to win us a few games in a season in case an injury, then BB won't trade him for a 2nd or 3rd just for the sake of trading him. And vice versa, he's not married to Jimmy G, if he gets an outrageous trade, as much as he wants to keep him here and potentially franchise him and keep him another year, if it makes economic sense, he'll do it.

The other part of the equation is the market. For those who trade stocks, they'll know it's impossible to predict what the market will do, because the market is irrational. Everyone looks at a Jimmy G deal in a vacuum, all things being equal, what would be equivalent value? But trades are not done in vacuums, they are reliant on what 31 other teams do, and they are based on a variety of other factors. Everyone agrees Sam Bradford is not worth a 1st rounder, but based on the time of year and the marketplace conditions, his value changed dramatically for one team. And it only takes one team. Even if 30 other teams think it's a stupid deal, if one does it, that's all you need.

We follow this team closely and BB always surprises us with stuff like the Chandler Jones/Jamie Collins trades. How the hell do we know what is going on in Cleveland or San Fran? I doubt those franchises even know yet either, because they have yet to evaluate the upcoming QBs in the draft. That market will also be shaped by other transactions made. If San Fran were to send their 4th rounder to Dallas for Romo, that would potentially impact our leverage. Or if Romo gets cut, then the market may change and move towards Romo or Glennon. If both linger longer, that could drain leverage vs. if they both sign quickly, that could up the desperation level.

So it's fun to make predictions and argue about it, but the reality is that not even BB knows how this will play out. But largely due to his economics background, it's clear that he has not made up his mind one way or another, and he does not feel he has to do one or the other. He has scenarios in mind, and he's probably traded Jimmy G 100 times already and kept him another 100 times. Maybe even in a few, he's traded Brady. Who knows?

Similar to how he handles end of game situational football, he will mentally play out different scenarios and prepare for each one in case it comes up. But he won't know which scenario actually will happen until it plays out.
 
Watching all of the conflicting news stories and predictions/opinions about Jimmy G's future has been interesting. But obviously none of us know what will happen, and that includes BB. That's why it's strange to see people claiming we "HAVE" to trade him or keep him. We don't "have" to do anything. And I think the worst thing you can do when facing a big decision is lock yourself into having to do something.

People often overlook that BB got his bachelor's in economics. He has a hard value on pretty much every single player on the roster. Maybe even Brady, or maybe he's the exception. Either way, BB will not feel pressure to do or not do anything. He's looking at this as a rational economic decision based on value.

That value will be based on a lot of different factors. For someone like Jimmy, it's obviously his contract status, but also his ceiling, his current growth, his value to other teams, his value to the current team and a potential Brady injury, factoring in the odds of Brady falling off a cliff like many old QBs.

Remember, Manning won the MVP in 2013 with a record-setting offensive year, played the first half of 2014 similarly, then fell to JAG level. Favre had perhaps his best season since his MVP run with the Vikings, getting to the NFCCG, but his next season would be his last. Brady is in better shape than both, but nobody, including Brady knows what the future holds so BB has to be making some allowance for that in his mind.

However he calculates that, he has a specific value in mind for Jimmy G, and that value has changed every year he's been with us. And that value also means he holds value to us on the roster. So it becomes very simple. Whatever that value is, if some team offers more, BB will pull the trigger. If they don't, he won't. If he's worth a 1st to us because of the high floor he gives us as a backup, his potential to be a Brady replacement, and his ability to win us a few games in a season in case an injury, then BB won't trade him for a 2nd or 3rd just for the sake of trading him. And vice versa, he's not married to Jimmy G, if he gets an outrageous trade, as much as he wants to keep him here and potentially franchise him and keep him another year, if it makes economic sense, he'll do it.

The other part of the equation is the market. For those who trade stocks, they'll know it's impossible to predict what the market will do, because the market is irrational. Everyone looks at a Jimmy G deal in a vacuum, all things being equal, what would be equivalent value? But trades are not done in vacuums, they are reliant on what 31 other teams do, and they are based on a variety of other factors. Everyone agrees Sam Bradford is not worth a 1st rounder, but based on the time of year and the marketplace conditions, his value changed dramatically for one team. And it only takes one team. Even if 30 other teams think it's a stupid deal, if one does it, that's all you need.

We follow this team closely and BB always surprises us with stuff like the Chandler Jones/Jamie Collins trades. How the hell do we know what is going on in Cleveland or San Fran? I doubt those franchises even know yet either, because they have yet to evaluate the upcoming QBs in the draft. That market will also be shaped by other transactions made. If San Fran were to send their 4th rounder to Dallas for Romo, that would potentially impact our leverage. Or if Romo gets cut, then the market may change and move towards Romo or Glennon. If both linger longer, that could drain leverage vs. if they both sign quickly, that could up the desperation level.

So it's fun to make predictions and argue about it, but the reality is that not even BB knows how this will play out. But largely due to his economics background, it's clear that he has not made up his mind one way or another, and he does not feel he has to do one or the other. He has scenarios in mind, and he's probably traded Jimmy G 100 times already and kept him another 100 times. Maybe even in a few, he's traded Brady. Who knows?

Similar to how he handles end of game situational football, he will mentally play out different scenarios and prepare for each one in case it comes up. But he won't know which scenario actually will happen until it plays out.

This would have looked awesome without the paragraphs as a nice wall of text.
 
Well what we do know is that comparisons of Brady to Manning/Favre are silly. Brady has used a diet training regime over a 10 year period that is VERY diffrent than that used by Manning and Favre. We know Manning had a number of neck injuries that affected his arm strength, and directly led to his decline. Brady has had none of those physical problems. Favre had no special training program wasn't great at preparation had made a lot of bad lifestyle choices early in his career. Brady has actually measured better over the past 3 years due to his training/lifestyle choices.

We also don't know what BB thinks of the long term development of J Brissett vs Garoppolo. For all we know he may think that Brissett has MORE upside than Garoppolo, or maybe not, again we don't know but something that could have significant impact on how he handles Jimmy G and his value to the organization

BB will do what he thinks is best for the team going forward, I am fine with that.
 
Manning relied on HGH for his record-breaking year. When he stopped the artificial anti-aging regimen, his production went to hell. Imagine that!

Brady has been eating an anti-inflammatory diet, and I'm sure he stays well-hydrated. He gets bodywork done on a regular basis to promote blood flow and flexibility. He also knows how to read defenses, so this makes his physical effort much more efficient by limiting his movement and hits to his body.

His consistency with all this won't allow him to play forever, but will certainly increase his number of productive years vs. someone not following his regimen.

With all this being stated, this should allow the Patriots to move on from Jimmy and allow them to continue to groom Jacoby or someone else.

My $0.02.
 
I agree with a lot of what the OP say here. I also believe that Jacoby's progress has a lot to do with the overall situation. It is a great position to be in. We may currently have the best THREE quarterbacks in the AFC East!
 
BB knows that Jimmy G isn't going anywhere. He will be signed to a long term deal and people will proceed to go nuts. The real story is that Jimmy G has pushed Brady these last few years way harder than any deflate gate crap.
 
Manning was on HGH so I don't use him as a measuring stick for Brady
 
BB knows that Jimmy G isn't going anywhere. He will be signed to a long term deal and people will proceed to go nuts. The real story is that Jimmy G has pushed Brady these last few years way harder than any deflate gate crap.
That's an interesting point I haven't seen discussed. Brissett is definitely a backup, he doesn't put any pressure on Brady at all, at least not yet. Keeping Garoppolo guarantees that Brady is looking over his shoulder and plays all year in keep-my-job mode. The GOAT does not really have motivation problems, but a good reason to do everything necessary to maintain absolute peak performance at all times probably doesn't hurt next year.
 
Manning relied on HGH for his record-breaking year. When he stopped the artificial anti-aging regimen, his production went to hell. Imagine that!

Brady has been eating an anti-inflammatory diet, and I'm sure he stays well-hydrated. He gets bodywork done on a regular basis to promote blood flow and flexibility. He also knows how to read defenses, so this makes his physical effort much more efficient by limiting his movement and hits to his body.

His consistency with all this won't allow him to play forever, but will certainly increase his number of productive years vs. someone not following his regimen.

With all this being stated, this should allow the Patriots to move on from Jimmy and allow them to continue to groom Jacoby or someone else.

My $0.02.

I am 90% certain that Manning used HGH in his record setting year, but I doubt he stopped taking it.. not even PEDS can stop the aging process especially when you had major neck problems. The Manning Case is interesting, I think his neck and his legs and feet all started breaking down on him to the point where he couldn't play at a good level.

I have little doubt Brady plays 2 more great seasons. Beyond that we have absolutely no idea how Brady is going to perform.

I could see Brady playing 2 more seasons at a high level and they keep JG to start in 2019... I mean this makes the most sense. We will know what BB is thinking this off season.

Brady might be and probably the exception to the rule of general aging.

What I would love is to see Brady get 1 more Super Bowl this year or next season and then retire as a Patriot for 2 reasons. 1 we have a replacement for him groomed and ready to take over and 2. I don't want to see Brady fall off a cliff.. I want him to win another Super Bowl and go out on top.

I don't want to see him fall.. and have Max Kellerman glowing as he watches Brady finally decline. If Brady wins another Super Bowl what else does he have to prove? Even though from what we all hear he is clearly a freak and obsessed with preparing and playing football.
 
BB absolutely knows how this plays out. The God of Football knows all.

He could be fogging things up, keeping people guessing.

Or maybe in BB's office, he's gazing at a helmet with his left hand, muttering: "to trade or not to trade - that is the question?"
 
Manning relied on HGH for his record-breaking year. When he stopped the artificial anti-aging regimen, his production went to hell. Imagine that!

Brady has been eating an anti-inflammatory diet, and I'm sure he stays well-hydrated. He gets bodywork done on a regular basis to promote blood flow and flexibility. He also knows how to read defenses, so this makes his physical effort much more efficient by limiting his movement and hits to his body.

His consistency with all this won't allow him to play forever, but will certainly increase his number of productive years vs. someone not following his regimen.

With all this being stated, this should allow the Patriots to move on from Jimmy and allow them to continue to groom Jacoby or someone else.

My $0.02.
I still think having sex with a Brazilian supermodel on a regular basis makes you younger and more pliable.

:p
 
I am 90% certain that Manning used HGH in his record setting year, but I doubt he stopped taking it.. not even PEDS can stop the aging process especially when you had major neck problems. The Manning Case is interesting, I think his neck and his legs and feet all started breaking down on him to the point where he couldn't play at a good level
Would you say this is exactly what happened to A-Rod? Just spent after years of being roided?
 
Ride it until the end...

SB LX MVP:

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BB does not control every variable. Just more than most folks do, because he sees them a bit more clearly - if one even believes that BB's knowledge is greater than that of the average GM or coach (specifically as a strategist rather than an evaluator or tactician).

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The OP poses an interesting question within the discipline of Belichickian quantum physics.

That is, do the probabilities coalesce into a single event in the mind of Bill Belichick, which then becomes an event in the football universe that sustains a Patriots dynasty; or does the mind of BB make every possible decision, each of them spawning at the moment of decision a separate and distinct superpositioned football universe that we can never touch or even glimpse?

If the latter, what are the bounds of "possible" decisions for BB? You have to figure someone in the war room in 2000 was saying "No no no we need one more gunner on special teams, Rohan Davy is the future at QB!" or something. Is there a football universe where the Pats don't draft TFB?

:) And in that football universe, true to what we heard from other teams until we picked up Randy/Wes ("Tom Brady? System quarterback...") does BB win 5 SBs with Rohan Davey?

By the way, "Tom Brady? System quarterback..." is one of my favorite quotes, along with...

"Tonight a dynasty is born"

and

"That's why you'll never be a head coach in this league"
 
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