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In his last 10 seasons, Drew Brees has won 8 games or less 6 times you're telling me you believe a Peyton Manning led team would miss the playoffs 60% of the time?

There's literally no numbers to backup him being better than Manning other than your personal dislike of Manning, Drew Brees also didn't have the greatest QB and head coach in history in his path of the Super Bowl in his whole career.

The argument us Patriots fans used for Brady over Manning for years was wins and clutch performances over amassing stats, well Drew Brees is the king of hollow stats.

Manning 186-79 regular season / 14-13 playoffs / 4 Super Bowl appearances / 2 Super Bowl wins
Brees 131-101 regular season / 6-5 Playoffs / 1 Super Bowl appearance / 1 Super Bowl win

Those resumes aren't even close, the facts don't lie.

Actual Pats Fan said:

right after 3c (Montana).

Good players, sure, but I would move Elway, Manning and Warner way down.

You could say I'm biased against modern players; but I am taking into account evolutions in the game, including resources, athleticism and rule changes.

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This is waaay of topic. I've used the rule changes bit against modern QBs a lot, but let's do a hypothetical. A Genie switches, randomly saying Otto Graham, and Tom Brady. Otto gets a year to learn "nutrition" and stuff and train year round and learn about timing routes, etc.

Otto is awesome as he gets extra protection and no one can hit his receivers after 5 yards. Then he gets sacked by a 300 pounder who is not fat.

Brady has a hard time until he teaches timing routes to his receivers and coaches.
He gets hit in the head etc. but the guys hitting him are like 210 pounds. Tom also is the fittest guy there and he becomes the first running QB.

ScottishPatriots said:

There's literally no numbers to backup him being better than Manning other than your personal dislike of Manning

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Well,...yeah, it's true. I don't like him.

Seriously, Peyton's talented, yes better than Brees. It's not his fault he does not possess the qualities that make a great quarterback, any more than it's Drew Bledsoe's.

p8ryts said:

Does this mean I'm older than you?

Bob Waterfield | Pro Football Hall of Fame Official Site

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I was born in Patriot year 51BB, 7.6 miles from Boston Garden.

ScottishPatriots said:

Having Brees above Manning is laughable to me and makes you look like an irrational homer who refuse to accept Peyton Manning had a good career because people compared him to Brady.

If you have Drew Brees above Peyton Manning i seriously question if you really know what you're watching.

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Nine one and dones in a league that catered to him for his entire career. No thanks. I'll take Brees, who had his team a** raped by the NYFL, probably because he threatened Pedton Manning's free ride to a Lombardi, just like Brady and the Pats.

I'll mention Bert Jones as one who would be on the list had injuries not shortened his career. Most physically gifted QB I've ever seen, could throw a laser through the eye of a needle from 40 yds. I remember some bombs he through to Roger Carr over Mike Haynes

1960Pats said:

I was born in Patriot year 51BB, 7.6 miles from Boston Garden.

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63BB 82 miles from Fenway Park

ScottishPatriots said:

In his last 10 seasons, Drew Brees has won 8 games or less 6 times you're telling me you believe a Peyton Manning led team would miss the playoffs 60% of the time?

There's literally no numbers to backup him being better than Manning other than your personal dislike of Manning, Drew Brees also didn't have the greatest QB and head coach in history in his path of the Super Bowl in his whole career.

The argument us Patriots fans used for Brady over Manning for years was wins and clutch performances over amassing stats, well Drew Brees is the king of hollow stats.

Manning 186-79 regular season / 14-13 playoffs / 4 Super Bowl appearances / 2 Super Bowl wins
Brees 131-101 regular season / 6-5 Playoffs / 1 Super Bowl appearance / 1 Super Bowl win

Those resumes aren't even close, the facts don't lie.

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I have to admit those are some great points.

Having said that, in SB XLIV did Manning outplay Brees, or were the Saints simply superior?

TennisBallHead said:

Meanwhile, Poopy Pants Peyton gets the 8th, 7th, 1st, and 2nd ranked scoring D's during his prime years and falls flat on his face every time. The two times he wins the championship, he throws 3 TD's and 7 INT's, and then his corpse closes out its illustrious career with a 55 SB rating.

Hell, he threw 3 touchdowns and 5 interceptions in the SB alone.

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I agree that while the greatest dynasty in history stood in the way of Manning's prime, it is also true that him having several good to great defenses in the mid to late 2000s is understated, especially when compared to Brees.

1. brady
2. manning
3. montana
4. unitas
5. staubach
6. marino
7. favre
8. young
9. starr
10. graham

just missed
brees, bradshaw, warner, moon, aikman, rodgers



you guys have no idea how great peyton manning was. seriously. i know we make fun of him and his playoff failures and his body of work is legendary. i don't just look at the SB. if SB was the only criteria then montana should be #2 and bradshaw has to be in top 5.

i know montana was great, but he had a loaded team in none salary cap era. 55-10. are you kidding me? that's like us playing tim tebow broncos.

I am up early and watching some NFL Films thing on Chuck Noll's era w/the Steelers... OMG, to hear him whine about how terrible Chuck Noll was to work for... "I didn't need an a** chewin I needed a hand on my shoulder... He was talkin about Russian literature and I'm trucks and dogs..."

Sounded like he pitied himself his 4 rings there if anything LOL...

Bradshaw, talented guy. Mentally, JAG at best. Maybe there was a day when a QB wasn't supposed to have anything upstairs, but Brady did away with that. Good call dumping this guy out of the top 10.

Although dragging Otto Graham into it, Dayum.

Who wins in a footrace, Jim Brown or Red Grange?

Sfpat said:

I'll mention Bert Jones as one who would be on the list had injuries not shortened his career. Most physically gifted QB I've ever seen, could throw a laser through the eye of a needle from 40 yds. I remember some bombs he through to Roger Carr over Mike Haynes

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Tx for the memories. Bert Jones was the Truth for a few years there.

Actual Pats Fan said:

Well,...yeah, it's true. I don't like him.

Seriously, Peyton's talented, yes better than Brees. It's not his fault he does not possess the qualities that make a great quarterback, any more than it's Drew Bledsoe's.

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I guess somewhere locked away in a safe in Drew's home is that SB 36 ring (and more than most backup guys with the ring, he earned it)

Peyton has 2 I guess. I know in the last one he did less to earn it than Drew.

Thing that Pats fans tend to hate about the Mannings is they were the "bloodline" and it was like this pre-set narrative. Then there were like 10 other narratives running off their individual narratives, running through every expectation in the league, and the coaches who ran them had narratives they wanted to see play out, and the franchises... Yes, yes a revival of those Colts of Old,yessssssss I see it now... Then it turned into "sorry, mf, this non-prototype skinny backup sixth round guy is the football messiah, ha ha."

Think about the time of all this... everybody was "Oh no what will we do after Elway, Montana, Marino, those other three or four guys in that draft..."

Oh they were so ready for Peyton Manning to take the league by storm, so effing ready. And OMG he had brothers that played, this was gonna be great.

They were STILL asking "is it Brady or is it Belichick" after SB 39... I noticed they stopped with that **** because they know what it implies of it's not Brady.... ack, what if BB can plug in anybody and do this, like they implied w/the first SB?

LOL yeah I hope they get that wish... "Oh man we have to grade down Brady to middle of pack b/c he won another 10 SBs w/3 more QBs."

Where's the Bob GRIESE love?

p8ryts said:

63BB 82 miles from Fenway Park

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I feel blessed to have lived long enough to see all of the top ten QB's with one exception, Otto Graham.

drewskie said:

I have to admit those are some great points.

Having said that, in SB XLIV did Manning outplay Brees, or were the Saints simply superior?

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Brees outplayed him in the SB, but that was the norm for Pedton who played like crap in every SB he played in. Now throw in the nine one and dones and that's 13 seasons where Pedton folded in the biggest moments. It's why most lists of clutch QBs don't have Pedton on them.

1960Pats said:

I feel blessed to have lived long enough to see all of the top ten QB's with one exception, Otto Graham.

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I saw him on tv.

Pats1989 said:

Where's the Bob GRIESE love?

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How many games did he ever throw more than 20 passes? Hand off to Morris and Csonka, follow Larry Little. Great role player.

ScottishPatriots said:

Having Brees above Manning is laughable to me and makes you look like an irrational homer who refuse to accept Peyton Manning had a good career because people compared him to Brady.

If you have Drew Brees above Peyton Manning i seriously question if you really know what you're watching.

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I have Brees above Manning and let me explain why.

#1 Manning is a tad overrated. Yes he did a great job of being a field general but all his movements at the line and "Omahas" for some reason made him appear more impressive than he is. Also there was this myth created he was his own offensive coordinator. That feeds into his greatness which is unfair to his real offensive coordinators and untrue. I will keep it to simply who in my estimation was the best on the field and leave everything else out of it.

#2 Stats. There really isn't a huge difference between the stats Manning and Brees put up. Brees will probably pass Manning in quantity in the next 2 years in everything or come close and his quality stats are mirror images. So with that in mind this makes it easy to see who is better cause we can compare each to the other with equal stats and look at what was accomplished. Also both played in Domes the majority of their careers which makes this easier too.

#3 Offensive Talent - Neither Brees nor Manning have suffered much for offensive talent but if you need to give one the nod I'd go manning. Brees got a few years with LT and Gates(only 2 good years of him). They had little besides those players. In New Orleans the offense went from #31 to #5 when Brees came. Lets keep that in mind. Brees has had good talent around him. Guys with multiple 1000 yard years he played with are Graham, Colston and Cooks. These are very good players but how many HOFers? Maybe Graham. I don't think I need to discuss Manning as we all know of his guys. IMO Manning clearly had better talent around him.

#4 Defenses - The best D Brees had in SD was the #11. the best in NO #4 followed by #7 (he won with the #20... but it was better than that by a bit IMO). It is impossible for any QB to win by themselves. You need a good team and Brees rarely had it compared to Manning who had the #7, 2, 1, 7 & 8 in Indy and #4 2 times in Den.

With all the above you could argue Brees > Peyton but the thing that seperates them for me is the playoffs.

#5 Playoffs. This ends the Brees vs Manning discussion. Brees is 6-5 and Manning is 14-13 but we must remember Manning was around better talent on both sides of the ball so he got to go more often where as Brees has truly been a 1 man team for many years. The stats in the playoffs are shocking. Though stats are not everything with fairly loaded offenses Brees posted a 100.7 QB rating with 24 TDs and 6 Int.. Manning? 87.4 40 TDs 25 Int. So it seems one clearly did better and was let down by his team but lets test that. Manning has been to 4 SBs and won 2. Brees has been to only 1 and won it. So Manning has an edge there but what does a closer look tell us? Brees in his run had one of the most impressive playoff runs ever. 8 TDs 0 Ints and he finished it beating Manning (who threw a pick 6 in that game to seal it). He earned that win as much as any QB has earned a super bowl win. Manning got carried both in 06' (it was statistically one of the worst playoff runs ever) and 15 (by that monster D). Also in none of the 4 super bowls he was in did Manning ever play a good game. His loan wins were vs the underwhelming Bears in 2006 and Carolina that was a bit of a fraud and his D dominated that game holding them to 10 points and scoring 7 themselves. No top QB has done less to win their superbowls than Peyton Manning and he threw a key pick 6 to lose one to Bress (when he had a guy open underneath). Brees on the other hand through he has not been perfect either (who has?) did lose 2 games that are not on him. Losing to Seattle 36-41 and SF 32-36 are the kinds of loses Manning's supports try to convince us he has all the time. Brees legit had loses where he did pretty damn good but still lost. Manning only has 1 such lose (Baltimore in many more chances).

Brees did as much with less statistically, Was given less good chances to win and produced better results. When he did win it was cause he played well and carried his team and was not carried. And he is a much better QB in the playoffs by both eye ball test and stats. Give me Brees All day on sunday and twice over in the playoffs if he ever has a decent D again.