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I'm not convinced that's a pertinent question at all. The 2 rings he's already won in his declining years accomplished what I think is their real purpose, to prove that TB12 can win it all without random flukes occurring in his favor. Especially this last affair with TB12 literally putting an entire football franchise on his back on a day when the defense coughed up 21 points and he'd coughed up another 7 itself with a pick-six, the running game was nonexistent, and he was without his favorite target.

This year was about nailing down his legacy in the wake of the manufactured deflation scandal, and he did that. Now the only question remaining is, what more does Tom Brady have for us?
>>I think is their real purpose, to prove that TB12 can win it all without random flukes occurring in his favor.

huh??
 
Here's my take..............

With the exception of maybe 2009 and 2002, the Patriots have always had a team worthy of championship consideration. The problem is that it takes more than that to 'win it all'. You still need to have the ball bounce your way.

For instance, the 2007 team was probably better than the 2014 and 2016 teams, but when you get down to the final four (or final two), you need some things to go your way. Asante Samuel didn't catch the potential INT in SB 42, but Butler caught it in SB 49. The Pats didn't make the critical sack of Manning in SB 42, but Hightower/Flowers made them in SB 51.


I mean think about this...........In 2014 the Pats had their best and deepest secondary in like forever. Their top injury prone targets like Gronk, Edelman, and Amendola were all healthy, and YET they STILL could very easily have lost that game.

So there isn't much difference between many of these championship teams and the non championship teams other than they made the key plays when they had to. But let's not pretend that the other teams in between 2004 and 2014 were not capable of winning.
 
Despite the 2 SB appearances during the middle of the trophy-free decade, the defense was never sound enough...until 2014.
Face it, NE had to replace so many quality defenders who helped win championships from 2001-04...
Seymour, Law, Phifer, Johnson, Bruschi, Vrabel, Harrison, etc.
And during this decade, LB play was an issue, pass rush was an issue, pass defense was an issue...with many of these issues overlapping.
And lets not ignore the coaching upheaval that took place after 2004 and going forward.
Factor in some poor drafting
Factor in a few FA busts
Factor in Brady's elevated income from his 2nd contract ...the contract that has stymied so many organizations forced to compensate skilled young QBs. With less cap space to play with, NE was forced to make roster choices that resulted in deficiencies in certain groupings.

When you think about the NE roster this past 3 years, where are the holes? But during the "lost decade" ....holes were glaring.

Better drafting, manageable contracts, solid front office work, stable coaching....and a QB intent on dominance

This is known as the sweet spot and NE is deep in it now. And with $50+ mill in cap space, I feel like this team is transitioning from 2003 to 2004....when BB built his greatest team. Oh yeah!
 
Because it's incredibly hard to win a super bowl... it takes a great team, health and a whole lot of luck
 
To me, the most important variable each year is health. It hasn't been the main reason every year that the Patriots have fallen short, but it's been the main reason lots of the time. Other factors are luck, or lack of it, other teams having just "lights out " seasons and sometimes it just inexplicably doesn't happen.
 
Here's my take..............

With the exception of maybe 2009 and 2002, the Patriots have always had a team worthy of championship consideration. The problem is that it takes more than that to 'win it all'. You still need to have the ball bounce your way.

For instance, the 2007 team was probably better than the 2014 and 2016 teams, but when you get down to the final four (or final two), you need some things to go your way. Asante Samuel didn't catch the potential INT in SB 42, but Butler caught it in SB 49. The Pats didn't make the critical sack of Manning in SB 42, but Hightower/Flowers made them in SB 51.


I mean think about this...........In 2014 the Pats had their best and deepest secondary in like forever. Their top injury prone targets like Gronk, Edelman, and Amendola were all healthy, and YET they STILL could very easily have lost that game.

So there isn't much difference between many of these championship teams and the non championship teams other than they made the key plays when they had to. But let's not pretend that the other teams in between 2004 and 2014 were not capable of winning.
The entire OP is off base.
 
Pats were a helmet-catch away from 19-0. Luck plays a huge role and as others said they were rebuilding the D on the fly for a few years and still almost won XLVI with the worst pass defense in the league.
 
To me, the most important variable each year is health. It hasn't been the main reason every year that the Patriots have fallen short, but it's been the main reason lots of the time. Other factors are luck, or lack of it, other teams having just "lights out " seasons and sometimes it just inexplicably doesn't happen.
I agree mostly. However, I can't think of a season we were stopped because another team had a lights out season? Maybe 13 Broncos but with Gronk, Edleman, etc, and HFA we would have beat them, so I credit that to injuries.
 
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Realizing now how good Talib is as a man CB (arguably best in the NFL), the Pats played the majority of two AFCCG without Gronk/Talib. That's losing OPOY & DPOY caliber players.

We beat the Ravens in 2012 if Talib doesn't leave the game. Cole never enters the field and we win a defensive battle. Then we have a SB toss up vs. SF.

No Gronk has arguably cost us:

2011 SB
2012 SB
2013 homefield

A big part of why this year's team was so special is that they finally overcame the loss of Gronk on offense.

The only seasons the Patriots legitimately let us down IMO after 2002 was 2009-2010. The 2009 team wasn't very good & 2010 was a choke job. The 2005 & 2013 teams battle through massive injuries was impressive.

Some bad luck & injuries costs us anywhere from 1-3 rings.
 
We didn't cheat good enough. At least that would be the narrative BSPN would go with.:rolleyes:
 
Beware over-analyzing!

If Tyree doesn't make that catch...if they call holdnig,a s it surely was...if they call in the grasp, as it surely was...if Assante catches that easy pick...if Welker makes the catch...if Vinatieri misses either field goal...if the flu doesn't kill them in the second half in Indy...if Jules doesn't make that miraculous catch...if Seattle runs the ball...

If if if...you put yourself in a position to compete and hope things break your way. Not discounting preparation or talent or injuries, but the truth is, sometimes it comes down to a wee bit of luck.

I remember after 2004, hearing analysts discussing how the Red Sox "were built to beat the Yankees."

Lol...after three games, the same guys were calling for a housecleaning and the Yankees were readying their brooms.

Fact is, Roberts was safe by inches - one slip, one stutter, one inch of mistimed slide, and they're swept.

Miller's single following the steal was a shot - three inches to the left and Rivera catches it. Three inches right and the second baseman catches it.

Would the Red Sox have still "been built to beat the Yankees"?

I kinda doubt it.
 
if Jules doesn't make that miraculous catch.

Wasn't his catch on first down? If he drops it there, it doesn't mean, for sure, that they would have lost the game.
 
1. Brady evolved as a QB. You saw in the 2014 season where we won SB XLIX, he started scrambling and running the ball more than ever before. Defenses gave him space and he took it if he couldn't find an open receiver. This paid off big time in this years Super Bowl as well, as his 15 year run at the time was a big momentum swing and our best run of the entire game up to that point. After drafting Jimmy Garopollo, who was praised coming out of the draft for his quick release.... Tom Brady's release got super fast. He started making decisions and releasing the ball so quick it's become hard for most edge rushers to get to him before he throws it. He also improved pre-snap and became more like Peyton Manning in this area. It's as if Brady is able to take the best parts of other QB's and add it to his repertoire. Brady is the best student of the game. It's amazing that such an old QB is still evolving and adding new things to his game.

2. Consistency at the Offensive and Defensive coordinator positions. We won 3 lombardi's with Romeo Crenel and Charlie Weis. After they left it took 10 years to win another Lombardi! We went through Mangini, Dom Capers, and Dean Pees at defensive coordinator. Josh McD and then Bill OBrien, then back to Josh McDaniels at Offensive coordinator. Finally there is stability and both of our coordinators are amongst the best in the NFL.

3. We have a defense again. After the 3 SB wins in the early 2000's, our defense was aging. We eventually lost key players like Seymour and Ty Law. Bruschi, Vrabel, Seau, Harrison, all got old and retired. The next generation of defenders didn't carry the torch. Asante Samuel wanted too much money, Meriweather didn't pan out, and Jerod Mayo was good but not great. Finally we have a real defense again. Devin McCourty and Chung took a few years to find their groove but now their one of the top safety tandems in the league. Malcolm Butler came out of nowhere and is a top CB in the league. Hightower might go down as the best Patriots MLB ever if he sticks around. You really have to credit Belichick, Nick Caserio, and the rest of the front office for the bargain bin finds they've picked up.... Alan Branch. Akeem Ayers. Kyle Van Noy. Chris Long. Eric Rowe. Matt Patricia has obviously been a big reason for our defensive improvement.

4. Rebuilding takes time. Most won't admit that we went through a rebuilding phase, but we definitely did. You look at the 2009 to 2013 draft classes. Almost ALL of those players that stuck with the team took a few years to develop. Edelman certainly wasn't this good during his first few years in the league. He kept getting injured, made mistakes, and had to gain a lot of muscle. 2014 was really his break out season. Chung was drafted in 2009, got labeled a bust, went to another team, came back as "camp fodder" in 2014 and that was really his break out season as well. McCourtey bounced around CB to Safety, then took some time to master his craft at Safety. Now he's one of the best in the league. Marcus Cannon was drafted in 2011 and looked like a bench warmer up until this season. In 2016 he was one of the best RT in the NFL and a huge reason Brady was kept upright this year. Logan Ryan and Duron Harmon were both drafted in 2013. Ryan in particular has had a lot of ups and downs, but he looks like he finally settled in this year. Those two Rutgers defensive backs solidified our secondary.

Players like Gronk and Hightower that come in and beast from Day 1 are the exception not the rule.

5. Brady got injured. 2008 and 2009 were wasted seasons due to Bradys knee injury. Obviously he came back in 2009 but I felt like it took him a whole season to really come back from that injury. If Brady's healthy those years, who knows what happens.
Because its not easy to win it every year , as easy as it is to expect it for pats fans.
 
Likewise if Butler had been a step slower or Browner hadn't set a great pick to expose Lockette, if Amendola hadn't just baaaaaaaaaaarely gotten it into the endzone on the 2 point conversion, if Vinateiri had missed any of those last second field goals...
There was an article in the Sports section of the NY Times (a well-known Hater mouthpiece) after the game that went through how 5--2 could have been 7--0 or 0--7.

These things are damn hard to win. Five out of Seven, when you think about it, is remarkable...as is seven of 11 in AFC Championship games.

I said before last week's game that I thought the Pats would win because they were mentally tough. When you think about it, the one thing you can say about the Coughlin-E. Manning teams that beat the Pats (besides a bit of luck, which every winner needs) is that they were tough mentally and you knew they weren't going to fold like a cheap suit, a la Shanahan, Quinn and Matty Ice, coming down the stretch. Both of those Giant teams played sixty minutes of football to beat the Pats.
 
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>>I think is their real purpose, to prove that TB12 can win it all without random flukes occurring in his favor.

huh??
Definitely not indended at a shot at Brady. More at the people taking shots at Brady as if he's lived a charmed life rather than earning everything he's ever received.
 
Quick and a bit over broad, but covers the essentials, IMO:

2005 - WR turnover, Ty Law let go, Bruschi stroke, Johnson concussion retirement, etc..
2006 - Illness in AFCCG, Officials calling a non-penalty a penalty
2007 - <insert hundreds of curse words here> David Tyree and the non-calls of the multiple holds and in-the-grasp
2008 - No Brady
2009 - Brady less than 100%, no Welker, team turmoil
2010 - Bonehead offensive plays
2011 - Crappy defense, <insert mild curse words here> Mario Manningham, Fumbles not recovered, Gronk injury
2012 - Gronk injury
2013 - Gronk injury, Talib injury
2014 - JACKPOT!
 
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