Not sure why experts say Tom Brady has nothing left to prove

TheBostonStraggler · Feb 9, 2017

It isn't about 'something to prove'. Dimwit media people aren't likely to stop and consider these nuances. This is about doing something you love doing + possessing a fiery competitive nature/spirit. Because of this February 2017 Brady could win the next SB too and he will likely come out the next season and ply his trade like a precision madman.
The moment Brady's fiery competitiveness and/or the love of the game ebbs (or, unfortunately, his body no longer will cooperate), that is the moment for Brady to call it a GOAT career and move onto something else he can feel passionate about.

This conversation is applicable to BB too. The Lombardi should be renamed the Belichick Trophy. Consider that he has HC'd 7 SBs but has been in the upper coaching tree of 3(?) other SBs. 60+ years old, what the hell does he have "left to prove"? The answer is nothing. This isn't about proving, this is about doing something you love and are passionate about as well as possessing that competitive fire. BB and TB are a match made in heaven in that respect.

Only recently have I started to slightly suspect that TB actually may outlast BB on the Patriots. My gut is telling me (maybe based on the sense BB's edges are softening) is this may be BB's last season.

BobDigital · Feb 9, 2017

I really do think Brady gets at least 6. Gronk will be back next year and he will be healthy for this run I think.

The AFC is weak right now and I don't see a team stopping the Pats from going back.

Deus Irae · Feb 9, 2017

He's just a 6th round pick. He needs to prove that he can with like the first rounders.

I'll let him know when he gets there.

Deus Irae · Feb 9, 2017

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
Unless the league goes away from the salary cap and parity era, will any quarterback ever even play in five SBs again?

Eli's 36, has 2 appearances, and is giving indications or decline. He's not likely to get 5
Brees is 38, and has 2 appearances. He's not likely to get 5.
Ben is 34 and has 3 appearances. He's got a shot, but he may be starting his decline already. His physical skills appeared to be diminished a bit this past season. Time will tell if that's an aberration or not.
Rodgers is 33 and has just 1 appearance. If he's going to get to 5, he'll need to get his ass in gear. When his legs start to go, his decline may be relatively swift.
Rivers doesn't have a shot in hell.
Ryan's going to be 32 in May, and would need 4 more, so I don't see that happening

After that, you start to get into the younger top level QBs, and it becomes more difficult to gauge. Once the old guard (see above part of my post) decline or retire, the hierarchy will reset and things will clear up a bit (maybe).

Wilson
Luck
Newton
Mariota
Winston
Carr

They, and others, will matchup against one another to see if any of them can get there. The odds are against them all, but maybe one will separate from the pack, either because of his skills or, more likely, because of his team.

Pats1989 · Feb 9, 2017

TheBostonStraggler said:
It isn't about 'something to prove'. Dimwit media people aren't likely to stop and consider these nuances. This is about doing something you love doing + possessing a fiery competitive nature/spirit. Because of this February 2017 Brady could win the next SB too and he will likely come out the next season and ply his trade like a precision madman.
The moment Brady's fiery competitiveness and/or the love of the game ebbs (or, unfortunately, his body no longer will cooperate), that is the moment for Brady to call it a GOAT career and move onto something else he can feel passionate about.

This conversation is applicable to BB too. The Lombardi should be renamed the Belichick Trophy. Consider that he has HC'd 7 SBs but has been in the upper coaching tree of 3(?) other SBs. 60+ years old, what the hell does he have "left to prove"? The answer is nothing. This isn't about proving, this is about doing something you love and are passionate about as well as possessing that competitive fire. BB and TB are a match made in heaven in that respect.

Only recently have I started to slightly suspect that TB actually may outlast BB on the Patriots. My gut is telling me (maybe based on the sense BB's edges are softening) is this may be BB's last season.

Felger & Mazz mentioned 2019 being BB's final season. Said they " Heard that". Even twenty seasons. By that time, Kraft will be nearing 80. I'm assuming Jonathan will take over after Bob "goes".

Pats1989 · Feb 9, 2017

Deus Irae said:
Eli's 36, has 2 appearances, and is giving indications or decline. He's not likely to get 5

Brees is 38, and has 2 appearances. He's not likely to get 5.

Ben is 34 and has 3 appearances. He's got a shot, but he may be starting his decline already. His physical skills appeared to be diminished a bit this past season. Time will tell if that's an aberration or not.

Rodgers is 33 and has just 1 appearance. If he's going to get to 5, he'll need to get his ass in gear. When his legs start to go, his decline may be relatively swift.

Rivers doesn't have a shot in hell.

Ryan's going to be 32 in May, and would need 4 more, so I don't see that happening

After that, you start to get into the younger top level QBs, and it becomes more difficult to gauge. Once the old guard (see above part of my post) decline or retire, the hierarchy will reset and things will clear up a bit (maybe).

Wilson
Luck
Newton
Mariota
Winston
Carr

They, and others, will matchup against one another to see if any of them can get there. The odds are against them all, but maybe one will separate from the pack, either because of his skills or, more likely, because of his team.

Ben has a chance with Steelers. Would have to be two appearances in next three years though.

Brees had won his one appearance vs Colts. I don't see another SB trip for him.

Rodgers isn't holding GB back. The GM not getting a half decent D is. With that said, I see two more SB trips max for him.

Rivers...zero shot at even one. Especially with three teams much better in the division.

Ryan....nope. won't get to 5.

TheBostonStraggler · Feb 9, 2017

Pats1989 said:
Felger & Mazz mentioned 2019 being BB's final season. Said they " Heard that". Even twenty seasons. By that time, Kraft will be nearing 80. I'm assuming Jonathan will take over after Bob "goes".

Felger? I suppose his guess is as good as mine

. Usually, however, when I hear that name I'd bet on whatever he says is not the case. So 2017, 2019 or 2020 is likely BB's last year...

RecoveringCowboy · Feb 9, 2017

skspikex2 said:
There's still the other cheek of Goodell that needs to be slapped by Brady.

What if Brady said: "If Goodell retires, so will I?"

He's not, but I'm just imagining owners finally deciding to give Roger the axe.

Pats1989 · Feb 9, 2017

TheBostonStraggler said:
Felger? I suppose his guess is as good as mine . Usually, however, when I hear that name I'd bet on whatever he says is not the case. So 2017, 2019 or 2020 is likely BB's last year...

Guy on the radio suggested Gruden take over after BB leaves lol. Personally I think McD is being groomed for the job.

RecoveringCowboy · Feb 9, 2017

sphen22 said:
Now that the epic come back is out of the way, I want to blow out the Cowboys next year in the SB

It's not as bad, but some of these guys still have Mad Cows Disease...stuff like Rex (Sanchez' coach) says Peyton the GOAT and denies he used PEDs.

Tom Brady is the best player and QB of all time

Uncle Rico · Feb 9, 2017

I've said it before: Next target is the '70s Steelers' record of four SBs in six years. Except Pats can do it in five.

Pessimistic Pete · Feb 11, 2017

If Brady averages 3,452 Yards / 28 TDs the next 3 years, he will pass Manning for the all-time passing TDs/yards leader.

NashuaPats · Feb 11, 2017

Pessimistic Pete said:
If Brady averages 3,452 Yards / 28 TDs the next 3 years, he will pass Manning for the all-time passing TDs/yards leader.

Don't forget about Drew Brees.

deroc5050 · Feb 11, 2017

Pessimistic Pete said:
If Brady averages 3,452 Yards / 28 TDs the next 3 years, he will pass Manning for the all-time passing TDs/yards leader.

True but Tom would have taken 2 or 3 more seasons to pass Manning for those all time stats lists. But on the other hand Peytons Teams were OFFENSE oriented and played in a dome. While the Patriots always tried to be more balanced and sometimes Brady didn't have the greatest weapons, especially early in his career. Troy Brown was his slot and stretch the field guy.

I just read that Cowboys thread and now my head hurts.. Everyone is saying Brady is now the GOAT except for 1 guy claiming Manning is better than Brady because Rex Ryan said so.. I guess.

Pessimistic Pete · Feb 12, 2017

NashuaPats said:
Don't forget about Drew Brees.

For sure, his stats are pretty amazing too and he's 2 years younger than Brady (38)

Yet I still think Brady lasts longer.

deroc5050 said:
True but Tom would have taken 2 or 3 more seasons to pass Manning for those all time stats lists.

Despite being the same age that Manning was when he retired, Brady has started in considerbly less games still. Brady won't even have the same number of starts as Manning until week 14 of the 2018 season, provided he starts every game up to then.

When retiring after his age 39 season, Manning started 265 games. Now, after the conclusion of his age 39 season, Brady has started 235 games.

So if Brady passes all his records by the end of the next 3 years, he will still have only started 18 more regular season games (a season and a couple games) than Manning.

StockingAnarchyNumber12 · Feb 12, 2017

NashuaPats said:
Don't forget about Drew Brees.

Man, poor Brees. Imagine how many rings he would have in a better team?

Rusty Coupe · Feb 12, 2017

Pessimistic Pete · Feb 12, 2017

StockingAnarchyNumber12 said:
Man, poor Brees. Imagine how many rings he would have in a better team?

His last 3 years

33 TDs / 17 INTs / 97.0 Rating
32 TDs / 11 INTs / 101.0 Rating
37 TDs / 15 INTs / 101.7 Rating

Yet they've been 7-9 in each of those 3 years while Sean Payton has been the highest paid coach in the NFL.

NashuaPats · Feb 12, 2017

StockingAnarchyNumber12 said:
Man, poor Brees. Imagine how many rings he would have in a better team?

Imagine if Miami signed him instead of Culpepper. That would have been a hell of a rivalry. Fortunately, Miami made the wrong decision.

VectorPrime · Feb 12, 2017

StockingAnarchyNumber12 said:
Man, poor Brees. Imagine how many rings he would have in a better team?

If he had a defense they would probably have been a dynasty.

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