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I noticed the first of these 2 stats right after the game and I've been waiting almost a week to see if someone in the media, or even on this board report on this. The second one was something that's been bothering me for a long time and I said WTF, since I was starting this thread, this would be a good as place as any to include it.


1. 21 - TWENTY-ONE - XXI - 7x3

Those are the number of points that the Pats defense allowed a historically good offense that averaged over 40 ppg over the last 8 games, INCLUDING 2 playoff games, And I've almost heard nothing about that fantastic accomplishment.

When you think about it, it says so much about the way BB/Patricia have created this defense. Remember Ryan had a 144 QB rating, and a 78% completion rate. Their running attack averaged around 6 ypc. And on the 3 drives they did score on, they moved down the field like a hot knife through butter. Plus they were 3/3 in the red zone.

Pretty underwhelming if you want to write something complimentary about this defense. So how did it happen. Well there were several reasons I can offer. First the offense WAS moving the ball for most of the game against the Falcons, plus they got an extra possession with the pick six, so in the end the Falcoms only saw the ball for about 24 minutes in the game. So that was part of it. But it doesn't tell the whole story. The Pats D was 7 of 8 on 3rd down in getting off the field. So that was good. But quite frankly I can't really explain it. In fact I started this thread with the hope that in the discussion that follows we might explore this more.

It was so typical of so many of BB's defenses. They look like crap, but when the clock reads 0:00, the opponent has a lot fewer points than you'd expect. Back in 2011 when the D was historically BAD, they somehow ranked 17th in scoring D. Certainly not great, but much better than you'd have expected.

What is ironic here is how these 2 defenses will be perceived after this game. The Pats D, filled with no names, will be thought of as still suspect. A defense that Atlanta carved up and ran on at will. They will ignore the spectacular 3rd down numbers. They will ignore that most of the 100 odd rush yards Atlanta picked up came early and in big chunks, and that one of the reasons the Atlanta was throwing it in the end was that in their last 5 or 6 tries, they'd been pretty much stuffed. (I recall seeing that in another thread). Plus in the end Atlanta ended up with only 240 net passing yards.

On the other hand, the Atlanta D will come out of this game with the reputation as being dynamic and fast with a great future. It will be a very positive perception. This despite the fact they gave up almost 580 yards of offense. They allowed the Pats to complete 50% of their 3rd down conversions, and most importantly allowed the Pats score the last FIVE times they had the ball, when all they needed was ONE stop to win the game. All this while the Pats offense was helping out by committing 2 TO's, around 4 dropped passes, a few missed open receivers, a pick 6, and their worst pass blocking game of the year.

BOTTOM LINE - The Pats defense was better than it was perceived, and the Atlanta defense wasn't as good.



2. The 2nd stat is in response to some of the commentary I've read and seen. Hear it is:

'6 out of 7'

That is the number of drives that Tom Brady has orchestrated in the 4th quarter when they were behind or tied in superbowls. And the ONLY time he didn't do that was in 2004 when he led a 4th quarter drive to put them up 10 late in the game. That's his WORST clutch performance. :rolleyes:

In all the discussions about who is the greatest and most clutch, people forget that in the Pats 2 superbowl losses, Tom Brady took his team from behind late in the 4th quarter to put them ahead with under 3 minutes to go. THAT stat is AMAZING. Joe Montana might have played in 4 superbowls and had one great end of the game drive. BUT Brady had done it SIX times. Who is even close to that? IIRC Manning has done it once in an AFCCG in 2006. He's NEVER done it in a superbowl. In fact in his 2 superbowl wins, he was just a passenger. In the loss, he was a major reason for that result at the end.


The more I think about it, this might just be the most spectacular Brady stat of them all.
 
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I've mentioned that 6/7 stat to people this past week. He was 3 minutes in both of those games from being 7-0 in Super Bowls. Hell, split it and it's 6-1. Outrageous. People just shake their heads.

As for the Falcons D, they were what I expected. I predicted the Pats hanging 570 yards (and 37 points) on them. As an angry man once said, "they are who we thought they were". Hell, our D was what we should have expected too. In a lot of ways, both teams played how we'd expected, except all of their success was contained in the first 2.5 quarters, and ours was pretty much confined to the last 20 minutes of play.
 
You know what's an underreported stat? Julio Jones, 0 yards YAC I believe. Maybe one. Highly contested catch over the middle by Logan Ryan, two tippytoe sidelines catches, and one "easier" sideline catch that maybe got one yard of YAC. 87 yards but each contested to the fullest.

Another stat I'd like to see: the amount of time gifted by the Falcons to the Pats by not running the play clock down to 2 seconds each play. Plus the Challenge on the Edelman catch stopped the clock. I'd be interested to see if the time not wasted by the Falcons could have been saved by the Pats two remaining TOs. Also I don't think the Pats were as hurry up as possible toward the end.
 
The Patriots D hasn't allowed a 1st quarter TD since week 5 against the Browns. Another under reported stat.

All we heard going into the game was how the Falcons had scored a TD 8 straight games with their first possession.
 
Another stat I'd like to see: the amount of time gifted by the Falcons to the Pats by not running the play clock down to 2 seconds each play.
Nobody discusses in detail about this part of the Falcons game. As you rightly said, it was a gift to the Pats. On one play, I saw Ryan take a snap with 18 seconds on clock. I had to make sure I was seeing right. My thoughts at that time were "how stupid is your team in playing situational football".
Assuming at 5 secs on the play clock for a strategic snap, off hand I think Atlanta gifted us with 40 to 60 seconds of clock time. The complexion of the game would have been completely different.
 
Nobody discusses in detail about this part of the Falcons game. As you rightly said, it was a gift to the Pats. On one play, I saw Ryan take a snap with 18 seconds on clock. I had to make sure I was seeing right. My thoughts at that time were "how stupid is your team in playing situational football".
Assuming at 5 secs on the play clock for a strategic snap, off hand I think Atlanta gifted us with 40 to 60 seconds of clock time. The complexion of the game would have been completely different.
I guess Quinn studied at the Andy Reid school of clock management. He is the only guy who can mangle a clock worse than Salvador Dali.
 
I think the Pats offense had something to do with Atlanta only getting 21 from their offense, but one could say Atlanta averaged 3.1 points per posession all season. And against us, they managed just 21 Well done defense. So on 10 possessions Atlanta was averaging 31, but against us on 10 real posession a, they got 21.

Brady's never failed in a Super Bowl when he's down or tied late in the 4th with a legitimate amount of time which is insane
 
I wonder if Bill had to turn to someone and say "I'm reading the scoreboard right, correct? We're down two scores?"

Serious question, didn't he actually do that once. I can't remember who or when it was. I don't know why but I feel like this scenario happened one time and the person was mic'd up. I could be imagining things
 
Yes he did, against Philly in SB 39.
 
Yes he did, against Philly in SB 39.
Except that time he had to confirm that the Pats were up by two scores as the Eagles were dawdling.
 
I think whats amazing.. its not really a stat but just shows how tough Brady is. He throws a pick 6 and goes down 21-0.. with the whole world watching.. and he makes the greatest come back in Super Bowl history.

How many QB's would have **** there pants at that point and started throwing multiple picks and watch the game spiral away??
 
The states were a lot more lopsided than the score.

First downs: 37 - 17 New England

Rushing yards: 104 each team

Passing Yards: 442 -240, New England

Time of Possession: 41.31 - 23.27 New England​

They can talk about Atlanta's potential all they want, but the better team won that game.
 
The states were a lot more lopsided than the score.

First downs: 37 - 17 New England

Rushing yards: 104 each team

Passing Yards: 442 -240, New England

Time of Possession: 41.31 - 23.27 New England

They can talk about Atlanta's potential all they want, but the better team won that game.

Yeah the TOP is crazy lop sided. Atlanta when they scored, they scored fast. A long drive for NE fumble.. Atlanta quick score.. Ne starts driving, pick 6.. New England starts driving again, for 3 points.

The stats are very strange when you analyze them.

Was Atlanta 1/8 on 3rd down? Thats the key stat right there if true.
 
How many QB's would have **** there pants at that point and started throwing multiple picks and watch the game spiral away??

To be fair he could have easily thrown 3-4 more INTs in this game.

The deflected ball Bennett caught, the Edelman catch that Alford deflected instead of catching it, there was another pass to Jules on the final drive where Edelman didn't even turn around for it and it got broken up and the pass to Bennett in the endzone in OT.

Hell, he got dangerously close to a) being sacked for safety and b) having 'intentional grounding' be called on him on the throw-away to prevent the safety on the first play during the final drive.

I am not writing this to belittle his performance because it was historic but it just goes to show how small the margin really is.
 
As for the Falcons D, they were what I expected. I predicted the Pats hanging 570 yards (and 37 points) on them. As an angry man once said, "they are who we thought they were". Hell, our D was what we should have expected too. In a lot of ways, both teams played how we'd expected, except all of their success was contained in the first 2.5 quarters, and ours was pretty much confined to the last 20 minutes of play.

Yep. If you don't show people the time when points were scored but only on the overall game stats you'd think the game went exactly as everyone assumed it would go. Our offense only being marginally less productive than theirs but our defense substantially better.

What pisses me off a bit about the perception people have is you hear "you won because they got tired" so often.

Well, duh.. that was the risk they were taking with their entire gameplan. Playing so much man coverage on defense + going often for bunch plays on offense doesn't leave your D a lot of time to rest by design. It was a gamble that they could keep scoring even though their defense might be out of gas midway through the third.
 
Crazy stats? Got 'em.





And when people tell you "BRADY WON HIS SBs ON THE BACK OF HIS KICKER!!!!"....tell them this.

 
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