Should we go all in for the next 2 years?

patsfaninpa · Feb 10, 2017

First, I know that's not his style. But, Belichick may not even be coaching beyond the
next two years. Also, it's becoming increasingly clear that we're going to deal Jimmy G.
We will probably have a Tom Brady who can win a championship for the next 2-3 years.
Not counting on J. Brissett to continue our amazing run. Let's go all in to get 1 or 2
more titles.

Clarification purposes. By all in, I really mean keeping our guys; Hightower, Ryan,
Butler, Harmon and Bennett. That 3rd-4th year will be more than BB likes to pay.
Why not? Give TB12 the keys to a stacked squad or give em to J. Brissett. I know whom
I'd rather have driving the bus. I don't want to do anything stupid like a Mario Williams
signing in Buffalo, or Suh in Miami. Just keeping a championship team together.

Because, I think we will be better with a healthy Gronk, also signing Floyd on a 1yr
prove it deal. With the picks obtained for Jimmy G and our picks(an extra 3), we have
the chance to be quite a bit better next year. 17-2 wasn't shabby this year

Ross12 · Feb 10, 2017

Going "all in" just isn't in BB's blood... I can't imagine it'll happen. Bill will make some good moves but it'll always be with one eye firmly locked on maintaining for the future, not just right now.

mosslost · Feb 10, 2017

We make the AFCCG every year at least.. How are we not all in already?

FourierSeries · Feb 10, 2017

mosslost said:
We make the AFCCG every year at least.. How are we not all in already?

Exactly. As is always the case, 2017 will come down to injures. If we can avoid multiple key injuries, we win #6.

Bradyking12 · Feb 10, 2017

Nah I don't want us to fall off a cliff Post Brady, oh and I think JB will get traded like Jimmy at some point in time and the next top 3 rounds QB pick in '18/'19'/ or '20 will be the heir apparent so Jacobys replacement will be drafted next year imo (doesn't have to be the heir but someone to fill in the backup roll, no clue on the QB class next year) next year makes sense since 2019 will be Jacobys last year under contract so whatever QB we draft next year should be good to play backup in 2020 or take the reigns temporarily I think the true heir will be drafted in 2019/2020, haven't heard any hype on next years QB class but Ill do some research soon and see who I think is best fit hell for all we know knowing BB the heir will be drafted in the 6th or 7th round within the next few years and fly under everyones Radar and transform Into a stud by the time Brady retires

qbno12 · Feb 10, 2017

I don't know how much more "in" we can go

Beginning of the season we thought Calvin Johnson will come out of retirement and join Pats and there was the usual yearly Larry Fitzgerald to Pats thread. I am actually glad we got Hogan and Mitchell in less expensive and younger players and we didn't go after big name guys.

What we have been doing so far really worked and don't fix it if it's not broke

Also, all of the big name guys like Jordy Nelson, Antonio Brown, etc etc didn't even make the SB and Julio Jones actually lost in SB. I guess it means we're good.

Ivan · Feb 10, 2017

Count me in the category of those who think they are always all in, just not in the sense many believe it to be. Imo his trade of Jamie Collins and benching if Sheard were because Belichick was all in for this season and saw a number of his soon to be free agents playing either soft or for themselves, and those two moves made it clear that his only focus was winning it all this season and those not fully in wouldn't be playing. He knows exactly the kind of team he wants because they just win a Lombardi, and he will try to recreate that kind of focus and toughness every season.

Ring 6 · Feb 10, 2017

patsfaninpa said:
First, I know that's not his style. But, Belichick may not even be coaching beyond the
next two years. Also, it's becoming increasingly clear that we're going to deal Jimmy G.
We will probably have a Tom Brady who can win a championship for the next 2-3 years.
Not counting on J. Brissett to continue our amazing run. Let's go all in to get 1 or 2
more titles.

Clarification purposes. By all in, I really mean keeping our guys; Hightower, Ryan,
Butler, Harmon and Bennett. That 3rd-4th year will be more than BB likes to pay.
Why not? Give TB12 the keys to a stacked squad or give em to J. Brissett. I know whom
I'd rather have driving the bus. I don't want to do anything stupid like a Mario Williams
signing in Buffalo, or Suh in Miami. Just keeping a championship team together.

Because, I think we will be better with a healthy Gronk, also signing Floyd on a 1yr
prove it deal. With the picks obtained for Jimmy G and our picks(an extra 3), we have
the chance to be quite a bit better next year. 17-2 wasn't shabby this year

We are in a position where we do not have to overpay anyone to the detriment of the future in order to win.
We should keep it that way.

The odds of Jacobs brissett following Brady as the QB of this franchise are minuscule.
Protecting our assets and playing for the long term not only gives us a better team around the next guy but likely let's us go after a better next guy.

It's not the New England Bradys or New England belichicks.

Kargetina · Feb 10, 2017

Depth, discipline and chemistry win championships not star power or talent in vacuum.

We lost 3 of the 4 big names we had last year in C. Jones, Collins and Gronk and yet we had a vastly superior defense and team this year.

Bill replaced Revis with a green Malcolm Butler and now one of them is an All-Pro, Pro Bowl player and the other is washed up.

Instead of signing Revis, he decided to spend those money on McCourty and he has been playing at an elite level.

He gave up Jones and Collins, two of the three players (along with DH) most people thought as our best defensive players and yet he improved our defense to a #1 in the league status.

If it's not apparent by now, he knows what he's doing. I don't see any reason to change the approach.

Ring 6 · Feb 10, 2017

This why we need McDaniels to go to another team and draft and grooms QB so he come to the major league team when Brady retires.

Kontradiction · Feb 10, 2017

Why? The team has won two of the last three Super Bowls without going "all in".

patsfaninpa · Feb 10, 2017

AndyJohnson said:
We are in a position where we do not have to overpay anyone to the detriment of the future in order to win.
We should keep it that way.

The odds of Jacobs brissett following Brady as the QB of this franchise are minuscule.
Protecting our assets and playing for the long term not only gives us a better team around the next guy but likely let's us go after a better next guy.

It's not the New England Bradys or New England belichicks.

I don't recall the pre-Brady or Pre-Belichick squads as being championship caliber. We could go 20 years without another ring once TB12 retires. As great as Belichick is, we're still down 28-3 and only shot at winning is because of TB12. IMO. P. Manning in his prime doesn't make that comeback, Brees doesn't, Eli- hell no, Big Ben - Doubt it.

I'm not calling for reckless signings where we don't know what we're getting. Just keeping a championship team together. We're not as good without Hightower, M. Butler, Logan Ryan and Martellus Bennett. That not quite as good, could very likely be the difference in losing a championship and winning one.

Joey007 · Feb 10, 2017

What if we traded for a top five pick in the draft and landed Fournette? Nothing helps Brady more in his old age than having a potenial elite RB behind him.

If we go in, go in on the draft. Those guys will come cheap and be a part of the future. I think going all in on FA would be regrettable.

patsfaninpa · Feb 10, 2017

KontradictioN said:
Why? The team has won two of the last three Super Bowls without going "all in".

By the hair of our chinny, chin chins. And, you're ok letting guys who helped win those games walk?

Ring 6 · Feb 10, 2017

Kargetina said:
Depth, discipline and chemistry win championships not star power or talent in vacuum.

We lost 3 of the 4 big names we had last year in C. Jones, Collins and Gronk and yet we had a vastly superior defense and team this year.

Bill replaced Revis with a green Malcolm Butler and now one of them is an All-Pro, Pro Bowl player and the other is washed up.

Instead of signing Revis, he decided to spend those money on McCourty and he has been playing at an elite level.

He gave up Jones and Collins, two of the three players (along with DH) most people thought as our best defensive players and yet he improved our defense to a #1 in the league status.

If it's not apparent by now, he knows what he's doing. I don't see any reason to change the approach.

I think the difference between BB and fans is fans see players as must have. They envision a team in one mold and fear it changing. If Hightower leaves OMG how do we survive.

Fans will often take the approach like if Hightower leaves where is the LB that replaces him.

BB views the roster as a fungible collection of assets. If he pays proper value for all of the players on his team it will add up to a team he can win with. The strengths and weaknesses will change, the message will stay the same, the scheme will adapt and a new way to win will come about for the new year (in some ways the same as the prior in other very different)

This is part of the concept of DO YOUR JOB. Everyone needs to do their job and BBs is building the best overall roster he can and then "assigning the jobs".

If Hightower won't take the highest number BB will pay then BB will spend that money on other value.
But no one will be asked to do hightowers job, the jobs will change.

qbno12 · Feb 10, 2017

patsfaninpa said:
By the hair of our chinny, chin chins. And, you're ok letting guys who helped win those games walk?

We let Revis go after 2014, LaFell too. We made AFCCG the next season and we won SB now. People would want to get more money once then win a superbowl. It's practically impossible to load a team with top tier players which is why BB relies on veteran talent.

Uncle Rico · Feb 10, 2017

KontradictioN said:
Why? The team has won two of the last three Super Bowls without going "all in".

Yup, and you could possibly make the case that that approach is proven to lead to long term success.

Ring 6 · Feb 10, 2017

patsfaninpa said:
I don't recall the pre-Brady or Pre-Belichick squads as being championship caliber. We could go 20 years without another ring once TB12 retires. As great as Belichick is, we're still down 28-3 and only shot at winning is because of TB12. IMO. P. Manning in his prime doesn't make that comeback, Brees doesn't, Eli- hell no, Big Ben - Doubt it.

I'm not calling for reckless signings where we don't know what we're getting. Just keeping a championship team together. We're not as good without Hightower, M. Butler, Logan Ryan and Martellus Bennett. That not quite as good, could very likely be the difference in losing a championship and winning one.

What makes you've think signing thise players is the best way to build the 2017 team?

I think it's comical that you think winning 2 of 3 SBs is so easy that BB did it with a hand tied behind his back and he could easily "go all in" and guarantee winning another.

Doesn't work that way.
To predetermine the way to build a roster with no clue of what those players will demand what the options are and whatc the opportunity cost is seems to just be throwing out a lazy idea.

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Ring 6 · Feb 10, 2017

patsfaninpa said:
I don't recall the pre-Brady or Pre-Belichick squads as being championship caliber. We could go 20 years without another ring once TB12 retires. As great as Belichick is, we're still down 28-3 and only shot at winning is because of TB12. IMO. P. Manning in his prime doesn't make that comeback, Brees doesn't, Eli- hell no, Big Ben - Doubt it.

I'm not calling for reckless signings where we don't know what we're getting. Just keeping a championship team together. We're not as good without Hightower, M. Butler, Logan Ryan and Martellus Bennett. That not quite as good, could very likely be the difference in losing a championship and winning one.

The preBrady and BB teams did it your way. You are asking bb to stop doing it right because the people who did it wrong failed.

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