Killing an Often Repeated Myth

I can't say how many times I have heard comments about Brady, BB and the Patriots about how they struggle with certain types of teams, and those are the kind of teams you face in the playoffs. How they are built to dominate weak teams but struggle against really good teams.
Here are the real facts. They are better against the best than everyone else is against the average.

All time QB Winning percentage
1) Tom Brady regular season 183-52 77.8%
2) Tom Brady postseason 25-9 73.5%
3) Tom Brady SB 5-2 71.4%
4) Joe Montana reg season 117-47 71.3%
Everyone else is lower that this

In other words, Brady's winning percentage in the playoffs, and even in the SB is better than any other QB even in just the regular season.
He wins vs playoff teams and SB teams than anyone else wins vs the average regular season schedule.

The second most tired argument is Montana never lost a SB. The narrative never incorporate that the NFCCG was the SB during that era where Montana was 4-3 vs Brady's SB record of 5-2.

BTW I was and still am a huge Montana fan. He's everything you would ever want in a quarterback it's just that Brady has surpassed him.

everlong said:

The second most tired argument is Montana never lost a SB. The narrative never incorporate that the NFCCG was the SB during that era where Montana was 4-3 vs Brady's SB record of 5-2.

BTW I was and still am a huge Montana fan. He's everything you would ever want in a quarterback it's just that Brady has surpassed him.

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I don't think anyone can even make that argument any more.

and yes Montana was GREAT. Second best ever hands down.

everlong said:

The second most tired argument is Montana never lost a SB. The narrative never incorporate that the NFCCG was the SB during that era where Montana was 4-3 vs Brady's SB record of 5-2.

BTW I was and still am a huge Montana fan. He's everything you would ever want in a quarterback it's just that Brady has surpassed him.

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I agree. Even in that scenario, Brady's comeback was everything. The debate would have continued if the patriots had come up short, and Brady had gone to 4-3.

mgteich said:

I agree. Even in that scenario, Brady's comeback was everything. The debate would have continued if the patriots had come up short, and Brady had gone to 4-3.

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It certainly would have fueled the narrative for the haters.

AndyJohnson said:

I don't think anyone can even make that argument any more.

and yes Montana was GREAT. Second best ever hands down.

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True, but it is a tad conspicuous that Joe Montana's SB % isn't in that list, since Brady's SB % is...

But the argument is over.

Anyone who thinks it is better to get knocked out before the super bowl, than to make it to the SB and lose is ridic. Talk to Bills fans, they tend to have a pretty mature perspective on this matter.

Brady made it to three more Super bowls than Montana. He won one more. This argument is now officially ridiculous. Anyone who has any doubts after what Brady did on Sunday is officially blinded by Patriots Derangement Syndrome.

But technically, if you are listing SB win percentages, and directly comparing the two, you really have to put Montana at the top there. The correct point to make is that that percentage isn't the only measure of excellence.

Well, we do struggle when we playing against Tom Coughlin and the Giants, reason being that they match up well against us, Tom knows exactly what BB's plan is and his tendencies. Remember how all these times when we play the big games, there is a coaching advantage? Well playing against Tom Coughlin eliminates that. He also knows how BB takes a bunch of C rated players around the league and though coaching or match ups, making them playing like A rated players in the field. But Tom Coughlin knows this, and he designs certain match-ups to take away that advantage. All those games playing against the giants, I felt that our players were reverting back to their real baseline, and all the advantages Brady enjoys when he play other teams went away. We never had an easy win against those giants teams.

We have a big country full of jealous fans of other teams.

AndyJohnson said:

I can't say how many times I have heard comments about Brady, BB and the Patriots about how they struggle with certain types of teams, and those are the kind of teams you face in the playoffs.

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They do, and they are. It really doesn't matter how many times you argue against it. It's much more sensible just to acknowledge the fact, while noting that the type of team that gives Brady trouble is the type of team that gives every QB trouble.

Deus Irae said:

They do, and they are. It really doesn't matter how many times you argue against it. It's much more sensible just to acknowledge the fact, while noting that the type of team that gives Brady trouble is the type of team that gives every QB trouble.

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Facts disagree

AndyJohnson said:

Facts disagree

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No, they don't. I've broken this down before, on this board. You're welcome to go find it. And your argument here is one of the worst you've ever tried.

neuronet said:

True, but it is a tad conspicuous that Joe Montana's SB % isn't in that list, since Brady's SB % is...

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I probably wasn't clear.
Montana is on the list because he has the highest nonbrady reg season win percent.

The point was to illustrate Brady's winning percentage when he gets to the playoffs is still higher than anyone's reg season and even vs SB competition it is higher than anyone against reg season.

Deus Irae said:

No, they don't. I've broken this down before, on this board. You're welcome to go find it. And your argument here is one of the worst you've ever tried.

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We are probably talking about different things.

I am saying that Brady beats playoffs teams more frequently than anyone else beats an average schedule.

Deus Irae said:

No, they don't. I've broken this down before, on this board. You're welcome to go find it. And your argument here is one of the worst you've ever tried.

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Argued to where you think you won is not the same as proven by facts.

AndyJohnson said:

We are probably talking about different things.

I am saying that Brady beats playoffs teams more frequently than anyone else beats an average schedule.

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That doesn't change the argument. You're making a logical leap that's simply unsupported. You're making the assumption that every team in the playoffs fits the mold. They don't.

The blueprint is pretty basic:

• Ability to get pressure with 4, including pressure up the middle, and to put Brady on the ground
  
• Ability to play tight man coverage against quick receivers, especially in short space

It's not sexy.
It's not exclusive to Brady.
It "works" against every QB in the NFL, although it's less effective against running QBs who are comfortable running out the back (i.e. Rodgers).

AndyJohnson said:

Argued to where you think you won is not the same as proven by facts.

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Yes, I know. You should take it to heart, yourself.

Deus Irae said:

That doesn't change the argument. You're making a logical leap that's simply unsupported. You're making the assumption that every team in the playoffs fits the mold. They don't.

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They fit the mold of high quality playoff caliber opponents.

Deus Irae said:

Yes, I know. You should take it to heart, yourself.

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Oh I am clear on the difference.

AndyJohnson said:

Oh I am clear on the difference.

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Your posting history proves otherwise.

AndyJohnson said:

They fit the mold of high quality playoff caliber opponents.

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"High quality playoff caliber opponents" is not the 'myth', and that's the point.