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Additionally, I doubt the Pats deal Jimmy G before free agency but instead wait until the draft to maximize his trade value. Let SF, Chi, the Browns, etc. sweat/fight it out until the final hour. The Pats view player acquisition as a year long process and, I think, won't find it necessary to solve every issue prior to or during free agency.


If you're alluding to my post it just meant BB would want to know what he will do with Jimmy well before the market opens. When and how he would act on it is another matter and waiting game is certainly Pats leverage..
 
I get your point, although I can't imagine Jimmy stays; not with Brady presently playing at this level and the Pats obvious love for Brissett. I think they expect him to be their QB of the future. I expect JG to go for picks this year to replace some of the players they expect to lose.

I worry about Hightower staying. He's going to cost a lot (Collins money) for multi-years and has had a ton of injuries both in the NFL and before at Alabama. He has both knee and shoulder issues, and I'll be interested to see if the Pats lock him up longterm. If not, they may flip the first Garoppolo pick for another interior LB from Alabama, this kid Foster. Who knows, but it will be fun to see Bill build a new team.
 
Man, this goes without saying but holy **** the offseason is SOOOOOOOOOOOO much nicer when it gets kicked off after a Super Bowl win.

That feeling of an entire season going down the tube in one game and now having to go through an entire year just to get back in the same position you were in (trying to get #5 in this case) is just ****ing brutal. Not to mention the team loses it mojo, all the storylines are negative (If the game stayed way it was, media would be talking about if it's time to accelerate a Jimmy G era etc) etc etc.

Instead, it's such a happy time now.
 
Getting Gronk back and hopefully resigning Floyd and having him in our system all offseason is going to do SO MUCH to alleviate many of the offensive woes we saw during the Super Bowl.

Gronk, Edelman, Hogan, Mitchell, Floyd, Lewis, White

That is an imposing lineup and it gets even better if we resign Bennett and restructure Amendola. Then it becomes borderline best of all time. We need an every down back to replace Blount I think though. We'll find one somewhere.
 
Bennett makes a good point here.





A championship does give teams a certain...aura towards you. I guess they feel as though if they pay you enough they'll get championship vibes or something.
 
It certainly seems to be well overdue for BB..



And Belichick didn't even mention that he has to take time to get down to Nantucket to scrape off the name of his boat and paint a new name on.
 
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Let Ryan go. He does not bring anything special to the table and probably will command a lot of money in the offseason.

Find running back who can run down the stretch. It is painfully obvious Blount is not the solution (unless we are playing the Colts, of course).

Let Vollmer go and draft OL. Maybe better C, Andrews is a good kid but undersized, they were running all over him these last couple of games.

TE will probably be an issue, Bennett is looking for one last big contract and no reason to give us hometown discount. We could draft one, though.

Harmon is gone, Chung is (almost) a liability now, we need some fresh blood at safety.

Welcome to the board Ryan Grigson!
 
Hope we take an offensive lineman with our first pick

The only position it might worth taking an OL early is LT to be groomed behind Solder. And that only if someone falls into your lap like Brown did on DL.
 
Harmon
Ryan
Bennett
Branch
Blount
Hightower
Butler
Vollmer
Floyd
Sheard
Long

Any others of consequence?

Vollmer is not a FA. Since he spend the entire final year on PUP his contract was auto-extended by a year. That being said it is irrelevant anyway as he will retire if you listened to what the beat reporters are saying.
 
Let Ryan go. He does not bring anything special to the table and probably will command a lot of money in the offseason.

Find running back who can run down the stretch. It is painfully obvious Blount is not the solution (unless we are playing the Colts, of course).

Let Vollmer go and draft OL. Maybe better C, Andrews is a good kid but undersized, they were running all over him these last couple of games.

TE will probably be an issue, Bennett is looking for one last big contract and no reason to give us hometown discount. We could draft one, though.

Harmon is gone, Chung is (almost) a liability now, we need some fresh blood at safety.

As others have said Ryan is a key cog in this defense but most probably will be priced out of our range with his postseason play. Also, Chung and his versatility might be one of the most important pieces in the secondary. I don't know what games you are watching if you think he is a liability.
 
Bennett will want a big payday. Not sure if we give it to him.

I'd sign Hightower to a 6 year/90 million dollar contract.

I am not sure what 6 years/90m means without clear explanation how much is guaranteed but what I can tell you for certain is that he won't make more than Brady who has a 14m cap hit next year. As Curran and Lombardi have mentioned in a few podcasts the Patriots use Brady's generosity as a tool when negotiating contracts with others.
 
Welcome to the board Ryan Grigson!

Harmon wants to stay. He stays.
Branch wants to stay. He stays. (Loyalty)
Franchise Hightower
Pay Butler
Upgrade/replace Ryan
Keep Chung.

Doing all that doesn't put a very big dent in 70mm.

If no big upgrade, keep Blount. He's serviceable for what he does.
Floyd on a prove it deal since he wants to stay.
 
The Bills are planning to play their starters through all 16 quarters of the preseason. They are aiming to go undefeated and win the Roger Goodell Trophy for Excellance.

*And yes, I spelled excellence wrong.
 
The way we build our roster every year in the salary cap era.. makes it so unpredictable.

I think we tag Hightower. Butler will get a fair contract. I really have no feel on Bennett/Amendola. Both love it here and Dola has a history of willing to restructure..will he do it again? Bennett's postgame comments if we are to take it at face value likely means he will go and I dont blame him for wanting to get one last contract longer than a one year deal.

Floyd will be back. Gotta think that Logan Ryan and Duron Harmon will get paid elsewhere. Do we flip Jimmy for multiple picks including at least one first rounder? I can see Blount staying if he is another "true" Patriot like Dola.

Imagine us having multiple first rounders this year.
 
You're massively missing the mark on Ryan. He's as important to this defense as Butler.

1. HT
2. Butler ( but again he will be on the team next year - 100%. He can leave in 2018 but next year he will be on the team)
3. Logan Ryan
4. Harmon
5. Branch ( Branch is probably more important but his age is a factor, that's why Harmon takes his spot)
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If we re-sign this group. We can EASILY upgrade the rest of FA's except for Bennett with our picks ( i hope he stays).

We trade Jimmy and bring a DE; with that pick that player will be an upgrade over Sheard/Long probably. I would bring Long for another year or two if he price is right - under 3m per. Let Sheard go and get a comp pick for him in 2018. With our own pick we select a LB to pair with HT, we didn't lose any LB starter so that's only a plus.

Mingo can stay for vet minimum and compete for his job against Freeny. Bennett will be a huge loss, but Gronk will be ready and this year draft is stocked. If he goes and Vollmer retires we get another comp pick in 2018; we can go with our next picks OT/TE/RB - Solder will be a FA next year + we need depth behind T, Fleming is ok for 6 OL situations, but Waddle was inactive all games.

When we select a TE bring a durable guy, with good blocking skills. The truth is that we don't need to use Gronk/ Amendola/ HT every game, i would rest them a lot. We need them for the playoffs. That's why depth is important. If the guys matches 70% of Bennett's stats and rest Gronk i'm happy.

Bring Blount back if the price is right - under 2.5m. Even with him we need another back.

Develin is important but he will be cheap. Bolden, Scruggs and the rest bye.
 
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Bennett will want a big payday. Not sure if we give it to him.

I'd sign Hightower to a 6 year/90 million dollar contract.

Some basic thoughts:

1. I think these are the major FA's we have on the team

Harmon
Ryan
Bennett
Branch
Blount
Hightower
Butler
Vollmer
Floyd
Sheard
Long
Mingo?
Van Noy?

2. We have 60-70MM in cap space (3rd highest # in the league), and no longer have to resign Collins and CJones. Plus with a few selected cuts we can add even more. So we really can sign all these guys back and still have room left over to still be a player in FA. And we know we won't be signing all of them back.

3. For everyone we don't sign we should have enough cap space to go into FA and sign a resonably decent replacement.

4. This draft will be very deep in the positions we could possibly need help.

5. We will add either mid round first rounder or higher if the bidding war for Garapolo goes as I see it, OR a high 2nd rounder this year and a first next year. If you can't do better than that, then I might keep him. because this team would still be a SB contender with either Brady or JG (though Brady makes our chances better)

6. Lets go down the list"
a. Harmon - He's currently the #3 Safety who's got more value to us than other teams quite frankly. I'm not sure how much he's worth to another team he had an 1.8MM cap hit this year. I might go as high as $3.2MM per year on a 3-4 year deal to keep him. Or could Ebner be ready to get time as the #3 S next year, or what about Richardson.

b. Ryan. There is no way Ryan gets a 10MM/yr contract, but it could be in the area, and it is certainly going to be a lot more than the $1.8 he cost this year. I'm thinking S7-9MM/yr. Again I see him being more valuable in our system than on another team. This will be the most interesting to watch

c. Bennett is also be interesting. He's a 30 year old TE who had a productive year on a great team, so who is going to pay this guy over $8MM/yr on a long term deal (3-4 yr deal). He cost $5MM this season. I'd set his value at around $7MM on a 3 year deal with half guaranteed) Then he can test his theory that someone will overpay him, and come back to him when he finds out the truth. He'd be great WITH Gronk in the offense, and great Gronk insurance when he isn't.

d. Branch - We paid Branch $2.7MM to be one of the best and most reliable DT's in the league. He certainly deserves a raise. But God the guy is 32 now at a position where players in their 30's age fast. I'd pay him a bit more on a one year deal than on a multi year deal. He's another one of those great teammates and gets it, despite being a reported serial dancer. ;) I would reward him with a one year deal up to $4MM

e. Blount - This is hard one for me. He's been good for us and carried a heavy load for us during the first part of the season. 18 TD's and over 1100 yds is a good year for any RB. He's not an elite guy, but a great value at $1MM/year. He too deserves a raise, and I'd give him one up to $2MM/yr. BTW - my lasting memory of Blount was that he was the first player to go to Brady while he was being surrounded by those mediot parasites. They all clearly love him. Cutting him when he isn't making much would send a bad message to the lockerroom.

f. Hightower - He's another guy I think has more value to the Pats than anyother team. He's a great leader, a great communicator. He's the kind of player who isn't going to have great stats, but makes all the players around him better. You paid McCourty and he's been worth it. You pay Hightower too, maybe not at the top of the market, but damned close.

g. Butler - Contrary to what Felger would like you to believe, Butler is NOT going to get paid less than million next year. With a first round tender IIRC he'll get around $5MM as a RFA and be free next year. It's not top end CB money, but it isn't just pocket change either. In an ideal world they's work out some kind of short term deal where Malcom can make more the the $5MM but less than market value. Like a bridge deal to FA. No one fits the patriot way better than Malcolm. Tough dependable, and severely competitive. No question he will be here next year. Only the price is in question. Also this is one of those sending the right message to the locker room. And you don't want to resign Ryan and have him making a lot more than Butler. That WOULD be a problem.

h. Volmer - I read where Volmer was looking as skinny as Matt Light. I think he's done, and Cannon's success this year would mean he'd likely be back up. I don't think he'd come back for back up money. Not with his back history.

i. Floyd- If he wants to come back I'd give him a deal non-guaranteed deal or guarantee just a million or so, and give him insentives that can raise that up to $7MM (what he got this year) if he plays at a #1 WR level. Then at THAT point he's a rehabbed FA with a Pats seal of approval, or if not he's can be cut at a low cost. Good for us, because we get a remarkable talent for at least a year, and good for him because he can rehab a badly torn rep and make decent money if he plays well AND can take that year and hit the FA market in 2018.

Sheard - I don't think you are going to have pay much for Sheard. Off of this season who is going to pay him $7MM/yr for that kind of production. If we don't get him back for less, I think he's gone period.

Long- He was thinking of packing it in last season. I'd be surprised he doesn't just take his ring and the memories of this year and say sayonara. But if the fire still burns I think the Pats will want him back with just a small raise for another year.

Mingo - I'd like him back. He's still long with great speed. I'd try to sign him to a STer's deal with incentives if he can break into the regular D and base it on snaps.

Van Noy - I'm not sure what to do about him and I'm tired of writing this thread ;)

Nice post. Just my 2 cents:

The only 2 FA's that we have in 2018 are Solder and Edelman ( Dola will be extended or cut this year/ Slater, Ebner and Lewis are cheap vets - under 2m - if we want to bring them back / KVN and Andrews are the other 2 starters but they should be cheap too). I am not worried about Edelman leaving and Solder cap is huge this year, if we do extend him we will save money.

My priorities:

HT. I would never give him 15m per. Except for RB there is no position that the top player commands that much more money. I would give him 12.5 or 13m. Yes his great, his strip sack was absurd, without him we probably lose against SEA and ATL. But he is not a 15m per player and Wagner a 10m.

Butler. If we tender him his number is gonna be $3,635,000. So we have the leverage. But let's pay the man. It's a bussiness we have leverage and that's the reason he will give us a small discount 12.5m per and we keep all our unit together.

Ryan. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie is the top-paid CB#2 ( 7M per). So i would never pay him more the 6m plus incentives.

I see Harmon is a starter. So i would go higher on him. I would pay him easily 4m per plus incentives. He is on the field all the time ( almost 50%) and plays for ST.

Bennett is a guy that i would LOVE to bring back for 3/24 or 8m per. He 's a great guy. Loved in the locker room. But this draft is deep and we could get a nice comp pick for him. So we could porabably draft a guy in the third round and get a comp pick in the same round next year. Plus with Gronk on the field his touches decrease a lot.

Branch. 100% agree with you. Give him a 2yr deal with lots of incetives up to 4m ( this year was 3.5m)

I would like to see Blount, Long, Develin and Floyd back. Vollmer is gone. Sheard i would love to replace him with our first pick. Let him go, upgrade him and get a comp.

Van Noy is not a FA.
 
Butler. If we tender him his number is gonna be $3,635,000. So we have the leverage. But let's pay the man. It's a bussiness we have leverage and that's the reason he will give us a small discount 12.5m per and we keep all our unit together.

Just a thought.. if your 3.6m is correct and we assume a franchise tag next year to be around 14.5 then by tendering and tagging we get Butler for two years for an average amount of around 9m. He will be 27 in a month. We can have him for cheap through the middle of his prime and he won't hit FA until he is 29. That's a ton of leverage for the Pats to get a favorable extension out of him.
 
Just a thought.. if your 3.6m is correct and we assume a franchise tag next year to be around 14.5 then by tendering and tagging we get Butler for two years for an average amount of around 9m. He will be 27 in a month. We can have him for cheap through the middle of his prime and he won't hit FA until he is 29. That's a ton of leverage for the Pats to get a favorable extension out of him.

I agree with you 100%. But if you lowball him we can save money this year (2017). Next year his cap will be bigger than predicted and his probably unhappy with his situation. And the locker room intagibles... We need this unit together. With the Goat playing 3 more years at least we have a shot for 2 more titles at least.
 
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