Adam Schefter: Patriots want minimum of 1st and 4th round picks for QB Jimmy Garoppolo

heavyde050 said:

If the pats can get a mid first + third round and/or multiple early second round picks across multiple years, the Pats will probably trade him.
How is trading Jimmy poor value in the short term? If Brady is healthy in 2017 and 2018, what value does Jimmy have? He probably isn't going to play and I have perfect confidence in Jacoby coming in to hand off 4 times at the end of a blow out.
Is Jimmy's short term value insurance in case Brady gets hurt?
If Brady plays like he did in 2016, Jimmy will not win the starting QB job from him.

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simple......without him, if brady goes down, the pats don't have a chance and while he is still playing at the top of his game, aging does astronomically increase his chances of not being able to play one day

History shows that Garoppolo is better investment than top 5 draft pick

GM's looking for a QB are also interested in the preservation of their livelihood........drafting QB's early has been a relatively low percentage bet

Danger Zone said:

People like to make fun of the extremes a small [vocal] percentage of Patsfans puts forth and admittedly some of the ones that got a little traction were quite pie in the sky.

That said, what surprises me about the NFL is that more trades don't involve more conditional picks/variables based on future performances.

For example, this is something I as a GM would be comfortable with.

1st for Garappolo.

+ 2nd or 3rd year picks based on his performance (throw x touchdowns, start x games, playoff starts etc).

Say: 3rd round pick in 2nd year for 20 TDs or a 2nd for 25 or a 1st for 30+.

I might even ask for conditional picks in the third year as well, just with clear franchise qb benchmarks.

Anyway you don't have to get stuck on the specifics here just understand where I'm coming from.

But clearly I'm not an NFL GM.

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OhExaulted1 said:

To me, the most logical landing spot would be the Browns. Not only do they have their own at #1, #33 and #65 but they have #12 (Eagles) and #52 (Titans) this year PLUS an extra 2nd (Eagles), 4th Panthers and 6th (Steelers) next year. If they found a dance partner for #1 (unlikely) they would have even more capital and wiggle room to make a deal.

The Browns new GM, Sashi Brown, got to make a huge splash compliments of BB at the deadline. I'm sure that was a big thing for a first year, 40-year old GM. Now the lines of communication have been open. Where is Mr. Brown from? Born in Boston and a Harvard grad.

Just some food for thought.

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That is why I think Cleveland would be a good dance partner. Tons of flexibility. I like the idea of conditionals, and seeing how BB and Nick have already negotiated a conditional deal with the Brown's GM there already a comfortability factor there.

Not the only person to say this by the way^^

Soul_Survivor88 said:

Not the only person to say this by the way^^

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I still hope a team blows the Pats away with a great offer and they get a mid first round pick in addition to some future picks.
If Brady stays healthy and plays 80% as well as this year - Jimmy G isn't seeing the field next year.

groundgame said:

I'd trade Brissette for a 1st or 2nd for 2017. Not worth trading Garrapolo (see Alex Smith) for a 1 & 4th. If the Roster calculus allows, I'd go with a Brady, Jimmy and Jacoby again for 2017. The Insurance Policy ( the luxury of 2 quality back-ups) versus Emergency QB fill-ins, not worth the potential Draft pick returns.

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Not trading my man Bisquick, TB's heir apparent for anything

Obviously, Jets fans disagree!

I told all of you nobodies going anywhere

When Kyle Shanahan was with the Browns and they drafted Manziel, the QB he wanted was none other than Jimmy Garrapolo. If he goes to SF I could see him liking Trubisky or Watson but JG could definitely still be in play there.

Franchise tag his a** next year and see how well Brady does at 40. If someone wants to break the bank for him, you do it. Losing the kid for nothing would be a crying shame, he really looked like a future superstar. Granted it was a small sample size, but still.

Gallo said:

Franchise tag his a** next year and see how well Brady does at 40. If someone wants to break the bank for him, you do it. Losing the kid for nothing would be a crying shame, he really looked like a future superstar. Granted it was a small sample size, but still.

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We have him for less than $1M next year. It's the year after (when Brady will play at 41) that we would have to tag him or lose him. We have 12 months to see how things go.

Can't believe I'm going to comment on this thread.

(1) lunacy to compare Garoppolo and Aaron Rogers. Wtf people

(2) irrelevant to compare Garoppolo to Cassel or Mallett or Hoyer

(3) borderline useful to compare Garoppolo to Sam Bradford, but let's not go overboard with the comparison. Very different players, situations, context

(4) more responsible, for the purpose of figuring out what fair trade value might be for Garoppolo, is comparison to Mitch Trubisky the top QB prospect in this year's draft.

No one would critisize a QB needy team for taking a shot on a potential legit NFL starter. Top-10 pick, almost certainly. So Mitch sets an objective market value for an unblooded prospective QB with upside

Garoppolo has 5 quarters of game film as the starter. Very good film. Enough to see he can lead the team, that his teammates respect him. Shows mastery of the position in limited time. Game isn't too big for him. Also three years of preseason film for scouts to look at, and four years as a starter in college with a 60% completion percentage.

Trubisky has zero game film at the NFL level and no preseason experience. In college, started 13 games and played one year as the starter. Excellent measurable and strong arm. Some criticism of his decision making ability, but truly untested. Lost his Bowl Game but showed some spark. Likely Top-10 selection.

Trade value has to be based on the quality of the asset and the market for the asset. Jimmy is a credible prospect, already one of the top-32 QBs in the NFL, and playing at a position of scarcity.

First and a fourth is fair value for a team that needs a QB and knows how to use him. A trade to Houston should put them into the playoffs for years.

First and a fourth will look really expensive for a team that needs a QB but has no clue how to compete in the NFL. Jimmy to the Browns would cap his ceiling and be the first step towards the end of his career.

I'm rooting for Jacoby to be the heir to Brady just because I like to say Jacoby wan canoby. I can live with Jimmy G though!

rookBoston said:

Can't believe I'm going to comment on this thread.

(1) lunacy to compare Garoppolo and Aaron Rogers. Wtf people

(2) irrelevant to compare Garoppolo to Cassel or Mallett or Hoyer

(3) borderline useful to compare Garoppolo to Sam Bradford, but let's not go overboard with the comparison. Very different players, situations, context

(4) more responsible, for the purpose of figuring out what fair trade value might be for Garoppolo, is comparison to Mitch Trubisky the top QB prospect in this year's draft.

No one would critisize a QB needy team for taking a shot on a potential legit NFL starter. Top-10 pick, almost certainly. So Mitch sets an objective market value for an unblooded prospective QB with upside

Garoppolo has 5 quarters of game film as the starter. Very good film. Enough to see he can lead the team, that his teammates respect him. Shows mastery of the position in limited time. Game isn't too big for him. Also three years of preseason film for scouts to look at, and four years as a starter in college with a 60% completion percentage.

Trubisky has zero game film at the NFL level and no preseason experience. In college, started 13 games and played one year as the starter. Excellent measurable and strong arm. Some criticism of his decision making ability, but truly untested. Lost his Bowl Game but showed some spark. Likely Top-10 selection.

Trade value has to be based on the quality of the asset and the market for the asset. Jimmy is a credible prospect, already one of the top-32 QBs in the NFL, and playing at a position of scarcity.

First and a fourth is fair value for a team that needs a QB and knows how to use him. A trade to Houston should put them into the playoffs for years.

First and a fourth will look really expensive for a team that needs a QB but has no clue how to compete in the NFL. Jimmy to the Browns would cap his ceiling and be the first step towards the end of his career.

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Actually, it comes down to whether the Pats want the best backup in the NFL for another year or do they want draft picks.......draft picks are a crap shoot......complete unknowns.....regardless of how high, they may never help you win a game

In all seriousness is there a chance that the stock is out in Jacoby? I was pretty impressed to see he was traveling with the team while on IR. Have other IR third stringers ever done that in the BB era? Am I reading too much into that as a really positive sign?

IllegalContact said:

Actually, it comes down to whether the Pats want the best backup in the NFL for another year or do they want draft picks.......draft picks are a crap shoot......complete unknowns.....regardless of how high, they may never help you win a game

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So, kindve like......a backup qb?

IllegalContact said:

Actually, it comes down to whether the Pats want the best backup in the NFL for another year or do they want draft picks.......draft picks are a crap shoot......complete unknowns.....regardless of how high, they may never help you win a game

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But to be fair, having the best backup may not actually win a game either (it all depends on injuries, etc.).
I would like Jimmy to replace Brady when Brady's contract is up in 2019, but I would also hate to see the Pats lose Jimmy G for nothing at the end of the 2017 season.
Also, I want Brady and the Pats to have the best chance to win the Super Bowl next year (hopefully as repeat champions) and additional draft picks may be the the best way to do that, but it could also be keeping Jimmy.

Should the Browns trade for Jimmy Garoppolo? A closer look



Browns beat writer concludes, "I would balk at trading a high 1st round pick for Garoppolo, although I might consider trading a 2nd rounder and tapping into next year's draft....Trading for Garoppolo is a risk worth taking, as long as the asking price isn't anything too outlandish"

To which I respond:

heavyde050 said:

Also, I want Brady and the Pats to have the best chance to win the Super Bowl next year (hopefully as repeat champions) and additional draft picks may be the the best way to do that, but it could also be keeping Jimmy.

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Absolutely. Patriots need to be in a win-now mode. Brady is playing at his absolute best right now, and the team should do everything they can to capitalize on the remaining years he has to offer as an "elite" QB.

But as you pointed out, win-now could go both ways: (1) getting draft picks to shore up our defense, offensive-line, and running game and take pressure off Brady or (2) having a talented back-up, who knows the playbook, can execute it, and can keep your offense running should Brady ever go down for an extended period time (or indefinitely).

I.M. Fletcher said:

So, kindve like......a backup qb?

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yup.....ask the raiders

heavyde050 said:

But to be fair, having the best backup may not actually win a game either (it all depends on injuries, etc.).
I would like Jimmy to replace Brady when Brady's contract is up in 2019, but I would also hate to see the Pats lose Jimmy G for nothing at the end of the 2017 season.
Also, I want Brady and the Pats to have the best chance to win the Super Bowl next year (hopefully as repeat champions) and additional draft picks may be the the best way to do that, but it could also be keeping Jimmy.

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as opposed to turning into the raiders should you enter the playoffs with Brissett?