Pats need to win the last 2 and go 14 and 2.

VectorPrime · Dec 18, 2016

bormio said:
Someone mentioned week 17 game vs Fins getting flexed to SNF. We would love that - we would know what Raiders had done and whether game was meaningful.

No chance, that would risk a meaningless game being put into primetime where one of the teams doesn't play their starters. It would be a ratings disaster.

Two Eight · Dec 18, 2016

It's possible that MIAMI will be the team resting their starters in week 17.

If they win next week in BUF to go 10 - 5, and both DEN loses to KC and BAL loses to PIT....then I think they will be locked in at #6 seed regardless of what they do in week 17 against the PATS....

ALP · Dec 18, 2016

Soul_Survivor88 said:
Can anyone confirm this?

I'd be very disappointed if we have to win vs. Miami. They will be playing hard for a playoff spot.

But then again....you play to win the game

I'm not so sure...it may favor them to be the 6th seed rather than 5th and not want to win their final game, or they would already assured playoff berth

in essence they may have nothing to play for final week, while we're still playing for #1 seed

Ochmed Jones · Dec 18, 2016

We can not look past the pesky jets. They will be up for us, because basically it is their Super Bowl.

Given the jets bloated salary cap situation and the fact that bb tends to find players to sign or trade for within the division, several jets could be auditioning for bb, i.e.: Sheldon Richardson.

Soul_Survivor88 · Dec 19, 2016

TBR said:
Colts can match Oakland point for point. I wouldn't be too surprised if they pulled off a W.

This is true. On his best day, Luck could easily shred them.

Indy has also won four straight road games. And they’ve won their last two by a combined margin of 75-16, dropping 34 points against a staunch Vikings defense far superior to Oakland's

Right now, Indy is out of the playoff picture, but assuming the Colts don't mail it in (and assuming Pagano and Grigson are playing to keep their jobs) I feel confident about the Colts going into Oakland next week.

Soul_Survivor88 · Dec 19, 2016

YOUGOTMOSSED said:
Matt Moore really that scary? I think we'll be fine.

Not to sound like a p.ussy, but I'd be more concerned about players getting injured or re-injuring themselves. Pats will be fine, but guys like Bennett would probably benefit from another solid week of rest... Lewis could also be put back on a snap count and have limited on-field reps

NewFeep · Dec 19, 2016

god grief.............

Haterproof · Dec 19, 2016

upstater1 said:
Oakland would have been a wildcard in this scenario. Would have been KC and Patriots head to head, and Patriots win tie-breaker on common opponents. But I would think the playoff machine would have already accounted for that. Not sure why it didn't do it for you. But it's impossible to go back now since the KC loss today is hardwired into the machine.

But yes, I'm sure about this. KC would have won that AFC West if they had won out.

From my understanding KC can very well still win AFC West if they win out and Oakland loses 1 of their last 2 games

The_Riddler · Dec 19, 2016

The Colts are red hot right now and they are fighting for the division title. I think they are going to help us out this weekend.

mosslost · Dec 19, 2016

upstater1 said:
You left out a big part of this scenario though. What if the Chiefs would have won their last game? Then the Patriots could have afforded a loss to Miami.

not if they are tied with Oakland? they could still lose later, Oakland win, and if had not beat Miami we would lose HFA in that scenarios. Other than the Colts beating Oak next week (even if KC had won yesterday) we would need to win both games to guarantee HFA

upstater1 · Dec 19, 2016

mosslost said:
not if they are tied with Oakland? they could still lose later, Oakland win, and if had not beat Miami we would lose HFA in that scenarios. Other than the Colts beating Oak next week (even if KC had won yesterday) we would need to win both games to guarantee HFA

If KC won out, and NE lost to Miami, NE would still get the #1 seed. Oakland would be irrelevant.

Patsfan22 · Dec 19, 2016

deroc5050 said:
If Denver wins last 2 and we beat Miami, doesn't Denver get in?

Would also depend on Baltimore and the AFC South. Denver has to win in KC and hope fins, ravens, titans/texans lose. If all that happened they would have a shot but its pretty unlikely.

QuantumMechanic · Dec 19, 2016

mosslost said:
Why does that matter? We would need to win out just as much if they had won as well.

It matters because it would have given NE more room for error because (a) NE's win over DEN gives NE the tiebreaker over KC, and (b) KC has the tiebreaker over OAK.

If KC had beaten TEN and then won out, NE could still lose a game and win the #1 even if OAK won out. But with KC losing, NE has to win out if OAK wins out.

XLIX · Dec 19, 2016

I am not ready to hand Oakland 2 guaranteed wins. They are not as good as their record indicates and I think there is a good chance they lose one of the next 2. Indy can score points, and Denver will probably be favored at home in that final game.

XLIX · Dec 19, 2016

bormio said:
Someone mentioned week 17 game vs Fins getting flexed to SNF. We would love that - we would know what Raiders had done and whether game was meaningful.

I don't see any way that happens. SNF wants their game to matter no matter how things play out earlier in the day - and preferably matter more than just simple seeding. They certainly don't want a game that might be meaningless before it even kicks off.

The 2 best candidates are GB-Det and Hou-TN. Depending on what happens this coming weekend, either one of those could be a de facto playoff game.

XLIX · Dec 19, 2016

ScottishPatriots said:
I expect Oakland to lose in Denver, their offense has slowed down since Carr got his finger hurt and it's going to be cold in Denver and they looked terrible in cold weather in KC.

I agree but with one caveat: I think we want Denver to be fighting for their playoff lives that week, instead of simply being eliminated. If they are eliminated prior to week 17, they might just mail it in against Oak.

XLIX · Dec 19, 2016

upstater1 said:
It is going to be very hard to do this year though. There will be 7 AFC games with playoff implications that weekend. If all the games have to start at 4:45 because of the 2 west coast games, it is going to be ridiculous.

They wouldn't have to all start all the AFC games at 4:45. If the AFC North is not decided, they can start the AFC North games simultaneously at 1:00. Similarly, they can play the AFC South games at 1:00 as well.

sambam94 · Dec 19, 2016

Patsfan22 said:
Would also depend on Baltimore and the AFC South. Denver has to win in KC and hope fins, ravens, titans/texans lose. If all that happened they would have a shot but its pretty unlikely.

according to ESPN play-off machine, Texans/Hou are not factors in whether Den gets in.

sambam94 · Dec 19, 2016

there is also a good shot that Mia has a play-off spot wrapped up after next week....just need Pitt to beat Balt and KC to beat den..both at home. This would help Pats as they might be playing for #1 seed, while Mia would already be in, maybe just a matter of #6 vs #5 seed.

mosslost · Dec 19, 2016

upstater1 said:
If KC won out, and NE lost to Miami, NE would still get the #1 seed. Oakland would be irrelevant.[/QUOT

you are missing the point. You will not KNOW if KC wins out until AFTER we play Miami. And if KC loses after we lose to Miami, and Oakland won out, Oakland has HFA. So unless Oakland loses to the Colts next week, we MUST beat Miami, if we want to ensure that we have HFA. The question has never been that it is necessary to beat Miami to get HFA in that scenario.. it is that is going to be necessary to try and win BOTH our games, no matter what, IF Oakland beats the Colts. Do you see?

Pats need to win the last 2 and go 14 and 2.

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