If Jimmy leaves, do you feel like Brissett could be the heir in a couple years?

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Interesting....Brissett was not even featured in Football Outsider's original QBASE article. And the projections for Jacoby here are terrible. Brissett comes out at minus-381, one of the ten worst QBASE projections ever





Not that Belichick cares...he did after all, draft Brady at 199 when all other teams passed over him. Maybe he truly sees something in Brissett?

No.

Jimmy looked fantastic, Brisset looked like a hardly competent NFL QB, but admirably "did his job" against the Texans.

Sorry if this offends anyone, but all those who used the flat out no are just idiots, or like our local media just like to make absurd statements for effect rather than intelligence.

I don't know how many of you used to go to RI when the training camps were held there and got to see Tom Brady in the year 2000. But the fact is that if he had been forced by some circumstance to actually start some games that year, his entire career might have ended up differently. I was clear, at least to me, he was not PHYSICALLY ready to play in the NFL at that point. At that point he had a mediocre arm, mediocre mechanics, and who knows how well he was reading defenses at that point. Much better football minds than ANYONE here felt that a back up QB was his ceiling back then.

So for any of us that pretend to know what kind of career Jacoby Brissett is going to have at this point is the height of hubris and self indulgence. Or in other words, message board click baiting by those small minds who put out such crap, so that in 4 years they can pull up their posts and tell everyone how smart they were IF they were right, and ignore the fact, if they are wrong.

I would go on, because this kind of crap pisses me off, but the game is starting.

patfanken said:

Sorry if this offends anyone, but all those who used the flat out no are just idiots, or like our local media just like to make absurd statements for effect rather than intelligence.

I don't know how many of you used to go to RI when the training camps were held there and got to see Tom Brady in the year 2000. But the fact is that if he had been forced by some circumstance to actually start some games that year, his entire career might have ended up differently. I was clear, at least to me, he was not PHYSICALLY ready to play in the NFL at that point. At that point he had a mediocre arm, mediocre mechanics, and who knows how well he was reading defenses at that point. Much better football minds than ANYONE here felt that a back up QB was his ceiling back then.

So for any of us that pretend to know what kind of career Jacoby Brissett is going to have at this point is the height of hubris and self indulgence. Or in other words, message board click baiting by those small minds who put out such crap, so that in 4 years they can pull up their posts and tell everyone how smart they were IF they were right, and ignore the fact, if they are wrong.

I would go on, because this kind of crap pisses me off, but the game is starting.

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My bad

I thought the title was asking for my opinion.

Jangles said:

My bad

I thought the title was asking for my opinion.

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That's not the issue I have with those who actually gave some reasons for their opinions. Its those who just say no like they gave an insight from god.

But I am irked by those who think they can tell how a QB will develop when we as fans should know better than most that you really can't tell who is going to be Tom Brady and who is going to be Ryan Mallett after 3 games of their rookie year. I thought we were better than that.

Brissett is not an NFL caliber QB. He will be cycled out in a year or two

patfanken said:

That's not the issue I have with those who actually gave some reasons for their opinions. Its those who just say no like they gave an insight from god.

But I am irked by those who think they can tell how a QB will develop when we as fans should know better than most that you really can't tell who is going to be Tom Brady and who is going to be Ryan Mallett after 3 games of their rookie year. I thought we were better than that.

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You might do well to remember, Ken, that your opinion is worth no more than anyone else's here, regardless of how highly you personally prize it.

No.

I think the original Q was wrong.

As many said, it is too hard to predict how a rookie who played two games -one w a broken thumb- will be in 3 years.

The real queston is : did he show enough potential to replace JAG next year?

I think so, particularly when you think about some of the 1-deep quality pats have had behind TB over the years.

I hhink jag is gone for picks and the only question is dods bb use one to pick up a qb3 of just run with two.

If Goff was worth a few 1st round draft picks, what is an actual proven NFL QB who has been studying under the GOAT (QB and Coach) worth?

I think the question may be better phrased as whether or not Jimmy G will be better than Brady by 2018 or 2019.

From what I have seen Brady do this year, I would think Brady will still be the starter for the Pats after Jimmy G's contract is up. That would mean that Jacoby will be the next backup.

I get that people like what they saw from Jimmy G, but the hall of fame and top QB in the NFL talk seems a little premature. I mean Jimmy G should have started 0-1 (through no fault of his own - but Arizona missed a makable FG and they stink). So this year, Jimmy G play well against Zona and amazing for one quarter against the Dolphins (when they stunk).

During the second quarter of the Dolphins game, Jimmy G's play started to come back down to earth just a little bit.

I think Jimmy G is definitely good enough to start in this league and possibly be a Pro Bowler in the right situation, but I just don't see him being the guy that makes this Pats fan forget about Brady.

Tunescribe said:

You might do well to remember, Ken, that your opinion is worth no more than anyone else's here, regardless of how highly you personally prize it.

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Fair enough, Tunnie. But I'd like to think I only offer my opinion when I can try and back it up with some fact or at least some reasonable speculation.

Remember I never opined that Brissett WILL be the answer, just that making a universal judgement that he won't be on the limited information we have available at this point is simply ludicrous. The Brady example should make us all be aware of that. The QB that Brissett is now could very well be vastly different from the one that will be here 4 seasons from now. Just like Brady was vastly different from what he was in 2000 to what he was in 2001, and then again in 2003, and then again in 2007, and then again in 2010, and then again in 2014.

Isn't that the true greatness of Tom Brady, is that he's never stopped getting better? So I'm not saying my judgement is better than anyone else's. In fact I was basically saying, the only thing we DO know is that we DON'T know. If there was any hubris in my OP, it was thinking I was smart enough to know what I don't know. I've always been good at that, since what I don't know encompasses so much.

Betting the next QB won't be great is like betting your lotto ticket won't win. It's a good bet even when you have nothing to go on but the odds.

Everyone in the organization is so high on him; so yes I do. No-one is going to be another Brady. It is also a great year to trade a QB, the incoming class is looking awful. I expect that Jimmy G will be a draft day trade to the Browns.

Obviously would need to see more. I just don't see him as a franchise guy thus far. Maybe he can back up Brady next season if Jimmy gets traded...to my next point.

I am 95 percent certain Goat will be the starter in 17. Where or how do we find our next QB? It's definitely something we need to figure out in the next 2 years or so. Jimmy likely wants to be a starter and would he hold out until Brady retires?

BelichickFan said:

He looks promising - but the next guy drafted is the real heir; we only have Brissett for 3 more years

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you joke but I do legitimately wonder about that. Brady is still playing at a really high level and we arent waiting for his neck to explode at any second like Broncos fans were

First Off, I think that the way that Brady is taking care of his body and he recently said he wants to play til he is 45, he will be the Pat's starter for at least another 2-3 seasons. I think @patfanken is right, the 39 year old Brady is in much better shape than the 22 year old one who showed up in Foxboro in 2000. To his credit, Brady is a tireless worker. Not only that, now he has 16 years of experience and still has the body to execute, something the NFL has never seen in a QB, EVAH!

Secondly, there are exactly ZERO QB's in the 2017 draft that are worth a first round pick! There is no Luck or Winston. Look at last year, when teams traded a fortune for guys like Goff and Wentz! Who knows if those guys will end up being great QBs, but both of them were not worth the prices their teams paid to get them.

Which brings me to Jimmy. Garapollo looked great in his 1 and 1/2 games as a starter. But it was 1 and 1/2 games. He absolutely torched the Dolphins in that first quarter. Brady himself couldn't have played any better than Jimmy did to start that game off. The Pats should be able to get a very nice package for Jimmy, because he still has another year on his rookie deal, which means he is controllable for at least two seasons with a Franchise tag. The only thing that might hurt him is Osweiler's ****ting himself down in Texas. That might make teams think twice about coughing up so much for a guy who has only played less than 2 NFL games. If Jimmy were in his first or second year, I would say don't trade him, but now that he is coming up on the final year of his contract, I say ship him off to the highest bidder (in the NFC).

I really like Brissett, I like his quick delivery, I like the fact that the Pats really seem to be high on him. I like the fact that he is humble and that his teammates seem to love him. Never under estimate how much it means that the other 10 guys in the huddle not only respect the QB, but like him and want to play hard for him, otherwise, you have Jay Cutler, Jeff George, etc., etc. etc. Now give him a few seasons to mature under TFB, then judge what he can do.

Look if both BB, Weis and Parcells agree that the kid can play QB in the NFL, I'm going to have to defer to their collective judgment.

FreeTedWilliams said:

First Off, I think that the way that Brady is taking care of his body and he recently said he wants to play til he is 45, he will be the Pat's starter for at least another 2-3 seasons. I think @patfanken is right, the 39 year old Brady is in much better shape than the 22 year old one who showed up in Foxboro in 2000. To his credit, Brady is a tireless worker. Not only that, now he has 16 years of experience and still has the body to execute, something the NFL has never seen in a QB, EVAH!

Secondly, there are exactly ZERO QB's in the 2017 draft that are worth a first round pick! There is no Luck or Winston. Look at last year, when teams traded a fortune for guys like Goff and Wentz! Who knows if those guys will end up being great QBs, but both of them were not worth the prices their teams paid to get them.

Which brings me to Jimmy. Garapollo looked great in his 1 and 1/2 games as a starter. But it was 1 and 1/2 games. He absolutely torched the Dolphins in that first quarter. Brady himself couldn't have played any better than Jimmy did to start that game off. The Pats should be able to get a very nice package for Jimmy, because he still has another year on his rookie deal, which means he is controllable for at least two seasons with a Franchise tag. The only thing that might hurt him is Osweiler's ****ting himself down in Texas. That might make teams think twice about coughing up so much for a guy who has only played less than 2 NFL games. If Jimmy were in his first or second year, I would say don't trade him, but now that he is coming up on the final year of his contract, I say ship him off to the highest bidder (in the NFC).

I really like Brissett, I like his quick delivery, I like the fact that the Pats really seem to be high on him. I like the fact that he is humble and that his teammates seem to love him. Never under estimate how much it means that the other 10 guys in the huddle not only respect the QB, but like him and want to play hard for him, otherwise, you have Jay Cutler, Jeff George, etc., etc. etc. Now give him a few seasons to mature under TFB, then judge what he can do.

Look if both BB, Weis and Parcells agree that the kid can play QB in the NFL, I'm going to have to defer to their collective judgment.

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Brissett has a quick delivery???

patfanken said:

That's not the issue I have with those who actually gave some reasons for their opinions. Its those who just say no like they gave an insight from god.

But I am irked by those who think they can tell how a QB will develop when we as fans should know better than most that you really can't tell who is going to be Tom Brady and who is going to be Ryan Mallett after 3 games of their rookie year. I thought we were better than that.

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Jacoby's a hot dumpster fire.

jefmblrd said:

I think he's worth a hard look, but I haven't seen enough to make any kind of determination.

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I think he has leadership potential, a strong arm, needs to improve on the throws that are the staple of this offense, passes between the hash marks.