Patriots vs. Miami Post Game Thread - The OH **** Edition

signbabybrady · Sep 19, 2016

JMC00 said:
Btw here was the defense in the 1st half

3 and out
3 and out
3 and out
4 and out
Forced fumble
INT
FG

That was elite level type **** in the 1st half and then then for whatever reason went into sleep mode when they went up 31-3

So some people need to calm down on the defense sucks stuff. Had a bad 2nd half but that 1st half was top 5 level defensive play

Not only that but second half, as ugly as it was, was about holding onto a lead with a QB who threw 9 passes.

Joker · Sep 19, 2016

The defense doesn't suck. "Bend Don't Break" sucks when the team is bending and breaking for an entire half....look at THIS drive by Tannehill in the 3rd quarter

[pre]

1st and 10 at MIA 25
(8:44 - 3rd) (Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass short right to D.Parker to MIA 30 for 5 yards (M.Butler; E.Roberts)
2nd and 5 at MIA 30
(8:08 - 3rd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass deep right to D.Parker to NE 42 for 28 yards (L.Ryan)
1st and 10 at NE 42
(7:31 - 3rd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass short right to K.Drake to NE 40 for 2 yards (C.Long)
2nd and 8 at NE 40
(6:49 - 3rd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass incomplete short left to J.Landry
3rd and 8 at NE 40
(6:46 - 3rd) (Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass short right to J.Ajayi to NE 29 for 11 yards (J.Collins). NE-P.Chung was injured during the play
1st and 10 at NE 29
(6:27 - 3rd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass short right to D.Parker to NE 24 for 5 yards (L.Ryan)
2nd and 5 at NE 24
(5:45 - 3rd) Kenny Stills Pass From Ryan Tannehill for 24 Yrds A.Franks extra point is GOOD.[/pre]

An incompletion/pass breakup/sack/hurry/anything would help, wouldn't it? But no, let little ol' jittery Ryan sit back there all comfortable and secure and just toss easy completion afdter easy completion. BEND AND BREAK! YAY!

DaBruinz · Sep 19, 2016

JMC00 said:
Btw here was the defense in the 1st half

3 and out
3 and out
3 and out
4 and out
Forced fumble
INT
FG

Thats was elite level type **** in the 1st half and then then for whatever reason went into sleep mode when they went up 31-3

So some people need to calm down on the defense sucks stuff. Had a bad 2nd half but that 1st half was top 5 level defensive play

First Defensive series of the 2nd half: Forced Fumble. Pats Recover
2nd Series: BS completion call on the sidelines. False Start by the RT on the TD play that went uncalled (replay on NFL.com shows the RT stepping back before the ball is snapped.)
3rd series: Illegal Pick to spring Landry. Bogus DPI call on Ryan. Miami C and RG hold Branch's grill on TD play.
4th Series: Only one there was no noticeable penalty by the Phins..
5th Series: Interception to end the game.

So. let's be realistic. Miami got a LOT of help from the Zebras.

jsull87 · Sep 19, 2016

Tunescribe said:
The reason the kind of defense we saw in the second half feels so frustrating is because it's not "fan-friendly" to watch. I also would rather see a more aggressive style in pretty much all situations because it's more exciting. But being a master of "situational football" as BB likes to call it, we had a situation today where he saw the clock as much if not more the opponent as Miami because of the lead the Pats had and Garoppolo gone. In his battle against the clock, BB beat Miami by attrition of time. It seems to work more often than not in winning games. I guess the only way to tell the difference would've been to employ an attacking defense in the same situation which -- who knows? -- might have opened the door to quicker Dolphins scores and a loss, especially with Brissett's assumed limited capacity to come back from behind if necessary late. (Not that he would be totally incapable, but that's not a position you'd choose to put a rookie in if you can avoid it.)

The way I try to view games like this is the bottom line -- a WIN. Whether it's by 31 points or 7 points it really doesn't matter and comes down to a matter of style. You can argue with the style and not like the style, but no fan takes issue with the result.

Agree with this. Ben but don't break isn't pretty. But if you keep everything infront of you, don't give up big plays and tackle. It generally works when you have a lead of 24 with a half to play. We also left 6 points out there with the penalty then Sack then Ghostkowski Missed FG.

We just got out of there with the W and by no means played a perfect game. We have things to work on but are 2-0 without Brady, Gronk and Jimmy G for the 2nd half today.

Have to congratulate our coaching staff. We should also congratulate our personnel guys. Long, Bennett and Hogan have all come in and contributed big. Going to still be tough over the next 2 weeks but i'm pretty proud of this team and how they have started the season.

DaBruinz · Sep 19, 2016

Joker said:
The defense doesn't suck. "Bend Don't Break" sucks when the team is bending and breaking for an entire half....look at THIS drive by Tannehill in the 3rd quarter

[pre]

1st and 10 at MIA 25
(8:44 - 3rd) (Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass short right to D.Parker to MIA 30 for 5 yards (M.Butler; E.Roberts)

2nd and 5 at MIA 30
(8:08 - 3rd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass deep right to D.Parker to NE 42 for 28 yards (L.Ryan)

1st and 10 at NE 42
(7:31 - 3rd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass short right to K.Drake to NE 40 for 2 yards (C.Long)

2nd and 8 at NE 40
(6:49 - 3rd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass incomplete short left to J.Landry

3rd and 8 at NE 40
(6:46 - 3rd) (Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass short right to J.Ajayi to NE 29 for 11 yards (J.Collins). NE-P.Chung was injured during the play

1st and 10 at NE 29
(6:27 - 3rd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass short right to D.Parker to NE 24 for 5 yards (L.Ryan)

2nd and 5 at NE 24
(5:45 - 3rd) Kenny Stills Pass From Ryan Tannehill for 24 Yrds A.Franks extra point is GOOD.[/pre]

An incompletion/pass breakup/sack/hurry/anything would help, wouldn't it? But no, let little ol' jittery Ryan sit back there all comfortable and secure and just toss easy completion afdter easy completion. BEND AND BREAK! YAY!

Joker - The pass to Ajayi was an incomplete pass. This was the one where the Side Judge called it incomplete only to have another come in and over-rule him. Ajayi didn't get two feet in bounds..

Also, on the TD pass, the RT committed a false start.. Look at the replay on NFL.com. He is stepping backwards before the ball is snapped.

Joker · Sep 19, 2016

I saw both of those live. Doesn't mean a damn thing. The refs didn't make the calls. In fact they did their best to screw the Pats in the 2nd half on THEIR possessions. My point is Tannehill went from invisible in the 1st half to Dan Jr. in the 2nd. Bend and Break defense

Marqui · Sep 19, 2016

For people who rewatched this game closely: is it me or did Ryan lose his starting job to Coleman?

patfanken · Sep 19, 2016

Just one comment. No offense to Doug Kyed, but the fact is that if he doesn't have the coaches tape, and KNOWS the defensive calls (and I assure you he had neither), assigning blame for any opponent completion is pretty disingenuous, or in other words, can't be done. So unless he's willing to state before hand that those were his GUESSES at who was to blame for all those completions, then he's just full of ****. Though I do appreciate the effort.

Then to have people make judgements based on these so called stats, just furthers the problem. Let's just say the defense clearly didn't play to expectations the second half (after a great first half). Part of the problem (IMHO) was coaching strategy, and part was a lack of mental toughness by those playing the defense. BOTH will have be much better on Thursday if the Pats are to have ANY chance of winning that game, because 17 points is likely going to win the game.

supafly · Sep 19, 2016

KontradictioN said:
Not surprising. Outside of the 2nd half of the Cards game, Butler has really struggled thus far.

I know this will be an extremely unpopular thought since Butler obviously has a high ceiling, but I wouldn't concern myself with re-upping him until at least next spring. Even then, they could still tender him and wait to see how he performs through the end of next season.

I would want a larger sample size before throwing around some of these top CB contracts that people have been doing all offseason. Now, if they could reach some type of middle ground at say, 7-8m dollars a year on an extension, then it would likely be worth the gamble.

BradyFTW! · Sep 19, 2016

supafly said:
I know this will be an extremely unpopular thought since Butler obviously has a high ceiling, but I wouldn't concern myself with re-upping him until at least next spring. Even then, they could still tender him and wait to see how he performs through the end of next season.

I would want a larger sample size before throwing around some of these top CB contracts that people have been doing all offseason. Now, if they could reach some type of middle ground at say, 7-8m dollars a year on an extension, then it would likely be worth the gamble.

Definitely, I think letting Butler hit RFA and throwing a first round tender on him is a no brainer. You either get him for $3M, you let someone else do the negotiating and then sign him to a market-rate deal, or if someone makes a Josh Norman-level insane offer you get a first round pick. When the worst outcome still entails getting a first round pick for your trouble, I think you've put yourself in a winning situation. There's some risk of a creative team making an offer that you can't match by design, but even then, again... first round pick.

I think this is the way to go even if your are 100% sold on Butler, which I nearly am. I don't think he's worth top-5 corner money, so if someone throws the 2017 version of the Byron Maxwell or Josh Norman contracts at him then I would have no interest in matching him, but I'd be fine with paying him legit CB1 money. But even if you're prepared to pay him something crazy like $15M per year, putting a first round tender on him and rolling with the punches from there is still the right call IMO.

Patsfanin Philly · Sep 19, 2016

The Dolphins made a few head scratching moves regarding penalties.
On their first possession, first play they gain 9 yards but there was a defensive holding penalty on the Pats. if they decline it, it's 2nd and 1 on the 34 yard line. If they accept, it's a first down but at the 30 yard line. It seems obvious to take the yardage and a 2nd and 1 gives you more flexibility but they accepted and went 3 and out...
The other head scratcher was a holding call on Cannon on a play that lost 5 yards. Do you take the penalty and go 1st and 20 or decline and have a 2nd and 15??? I think you decline also but it is not so clear cut as the first one...
Am I missing something or is it just a judgment call.???

sambam94 · Sep 19, 2016

stop the refs bs..pats d sucked in the 2nd half, no pressure on a QB that had to throw every down..no excuses, very disappointing

Bombdog · Sep 19, 2016

I was at the game and watching Jacoby play. I thought he did a great job. He did not turn the ball over, he made a great across the field throw to Benett for a big play. Coming off the bench cold I think he did everything he needed to do.

FCB02062 · Sep 19, 2016

Most people who've watched the Pats & Belichick over the years knew that once JG went down the defense would get ultra conservative, would try to keep everything in front of them, and would try to make Miami use the clock. Ultimately had Gostowski made a seemingly easy FG BB's strategy would've worked perfectly.

IllegalContact · Sep 19, 2016

we're 2-0 and 2 more games before Brady comes back..........and he's gonna be pretty pissed......

And Gronk and Ninkovich and Hightower and someday even Lewis.....

So not only will we know that Jimmy can play, but we are also going to that Jacoby can play too......

Generally speaking, rough Septembers wind up working out well for the Pats

DaBruinz · Sep 19, 2016

sambam94 said:
stop the refs bs..pats d sucked in the 2nd half, no pressure on a QB that had to throw every down..no excuses, very disappointing

Sorry that you don't like facts and can't handle the truth. Also, let me know when you remember that Tannehill can run the ball and that they game plan him the same way they Game plan Roethlisberger. Because, until you do, you're the one spewing BS.

sambam94 · Sep 19, 2016

DaBruinz said:
Sorry that you don't like facts and can't handle the truth. Also, let me know when you remember that Tannehill can run the ball and that they game plan him the same way they Game plan Roethlisberger. Because, until you do, you're the one spewing BS.

my eyes don't lie..so immature to blame the refs all the time. The bottom line was that that Pats were playing soft with a big lead, but the lack of pressure knowing Tannehill had to throw every play was disappointing.

Kontradiction · Sep 19, 2016

DaBruinz said:
Sorry that you don't like facts and can't handle the truth. Also, let me know when you remember that Tannehill can run the ball and that they game plan him the same way they Game plan Roethlisberger. Because, until you do, you're the one spewing BS.

Erm then why didn't they employ that game plan in the first half? If it was that good of an idea, they would have done it all game.

DaBruinz · Sep 19, 2016

sambam94 said:
my eyes don't lie..so immature to blame the refs all the time. The bottom line was that that Pats were playing soft with a big lead, but the lack of pressure knowing Tannehill had to throw every play was disappointing.

Bottom line is that you don't know what you're talking about. Your eyes may not lie, but that doesn't mean that your mind understands what is going on. And if you refuse to accept actual facts (such as I pointed out) then you are the immature one who people shouldn't bother to listen to.

DaBruinz · Sep 19, 2016

KontradictioN said:
Erm then why didn't they employ that game plan in the first half? If it was that good of an idea, they would have done it all game.

The Pats ran the same game plan of containing Tannehill in the pocket in the first half. Go back and watch.. If you think they weren't trying to contain him, I don't know what to tell you.

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