AFL-CIO files amicus brief in support of Tom Brady

venecol said:

Short answer: nobody knows.

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Tony didn't mean to be short. Mack Herron posted this from Steph's twitter on this thread:


Stephanie Stradley ‎@StephStradley
Personally, I think this is persuasive in a real world way. Whether judges agree? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ https://twitter.com/sportsesqblog/status/737757970444869633 …

6:24 PM - 31 May 2016

The rest is pure speculation.

Joker said:

Goodell says a lot of things.The amount of lies he's strewn across the landscape since his youth are prodigious.

"I played football for nine years of my life so I KNOW the game"...oh really? He never played a game of anything AFTER high school but...well, yeah, Roger says he did so...THAT PROVES IT!

Despite all we now know about the long-term danger of concussions, with all their tragic consequences, Roger Goodell said Friday he would encourage his son to play football.

That’s easy for him to say considering he doesn’t have a son.

“If I had a son, I’d love to have him play the game of football,” Goodell said during his annual state of the league address ahead of Super Bowl 50. “There’s risk in life. There’s risk to sitting on the couch.”

I mean, c'mon...Magna Cum Laude? LIE..intern for the NFL a year AFTER graduating Washington and Jefferson? an impossibility by his own NFL rules! another overt LIE. ESPN interviewer states on video "as a lawyer, Roger, you oversee etc etc etc" Goodell nods in agreement. On video tape for posterity. Goodell is NOT A LAWYER. Maybe he thought Firestone or whoever it was said LIAR instead of lawyer.
Goodell has lied about Ray Rice to the national media. Proven fact. He's lied continually during the past year and half about everything associated with this preposterous Deflategate crap, documented over and over and over again and again...BUT

Goodell says he was fair. Yeah, Caligula said the same thing. Krist, just stop this insanity.

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To be fair, you're assuming Goodell can count and I'm not sure that's called for.

Tony2046 said:

Not sure I agree with that. Wouldn't that imply that the owners would have to be halfway honest etc....?

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No.

Rather, my point is that if somebody actually chooses to do the right thing, stopping them may lead to more embarrassment than it's worth. And so they can get away with it.

RelocatedPatFan said:

Let's not call it corruption quite yet, but it'd be a whole lot of fun if they reversed their original ruling (assuming an en-banc hearing happens)

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Since the stupid can't rise to become federal judges, the only explanation for such a ruling is corruption.

Joker said:

Mike Kensil reportedly told Patriots 'you're in big f---ing trouble' at halftime

"Shortly after the Deflategate scandal erupted, a report indicated that Kensil — who worked for the New York Jets for 20 years until 2006 — was the driving force behind the investigation. According to Greg Bedard of Sports Illustrated, Patriots officials claim Kensil walked up to equipment manager Dave Schoenfield at halftime and said, “We weighed the balls. You are in big f—ing trouble.”

Page 71 of the Wells report alludes to the conversation between Kensil and Schoenfield, though only to say that the two men have “different recollections of the precise sequence and content of the conversation.” Patriots officials basically feel that the exact content was important in showing that Kensil took joy in trying to catch them in the act."

GAME SET MATCH...*****

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Adios amigo

Tony2046 said:

If that's the case may I suggest bringing this with you to the bathroom.

(Guess what the centerfold is? Yep. You got it. The AFL-CIO Amicus.)

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So Court TV is the new Skin-a- max?

Galeb said:

Since the stupid can't rise to become federal judges, the only explanation for such a ruling is corruption.

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Never attribute to malice that which can easily be explained by stupidity or laziness.

In a system where who you know is as important/more important than what you do, it's possible the stupid does rise in the ranks. It's not the complete moron level of stupid, but the type of stupid who does have the smarts to fool other people into thinking he's competent. Hell, Roger Goodell himself fits into this category. Happens in other C-suite arenas too.

Most mistakes are made due to laziness and apathy. Even the smartest people will make mistakes if they don't put the effort in when it's something they don't care about. Justice Chin's questions just reeked pure laziness and nothing more. Was he actually pissed that this case got to him, as opposed to the other 3 federal judges who showed actual interest even if they thought it was silly for it to be in court? Certainly possible - pissed that he had to deal with it so he didn't do his homework like he does for his other cases. Who knows?

As for Justice Parker? What's interesting is that he himself (in the oral arguments) actually said that the normal standard of deference given to arbitrators doesn't necessarily hold when the arbitrator isn't a neutral party. He clearly spent the time on the case. So why did he rule the way he did? I suspect ultimately it's because as a generally pro-business guy, he thinks the NFLPA knew or should have known what they were getting themselves into with Goodell as arbitrator, and doesn't feel the need to protect powerful unions from making stupid decisions, and that the union therefore needs to show real strong evidence of bias which he didn't think they did.

All these are just making our hopes go up. I doubt it will effect those judges but I hope Iam wrong.

SVN said:

All these are just making our hopes go up. I doubt it will effect those judges but I hope Iam wrong.

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I hope you are too.

I'm actually optimistic not b/c of the briefs but that Katzmann offered a very strong dissenting opinion.

LINK: http://www.bplegal.com/webfiles/pdf/Wallach/160531_proposed_amici_brief.pdf

Mack Herron said:

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Make that a total of 5 briefs.

Correct me if I'm wrong, as I couldn't read through this whole thread, but in the brief filed by AFL-CIO it was mentioned about Goodell issuing the initial discipline (or did I misread it). As I recall he had Troy Vincent (ahem) decide on the discipline so Goodell could be the arbitrator in the appeal hearing. If that's the case then the AFL-CIO got that part wrong and that would be an error. I hope I'm wrong.

This thing is getting serious steam and I'm glad Ted Olson reached out to so many people to stand up for the labor force and file these briefs. I dont' see how it's possible that this case doesn't get re-heard. There's just too much pressure now and the whole country will be awaiting a reply from CA2.

Thought the deadline was yesterday?

robertweathers said:

Thought the deadline was yesterday?

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Maybe you get an extra day due to the Memorial Day holiday?

AtomicDawg said:

Maybe you get an extra day due to the Memorial Day holiday?

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Good point. Maybe.

Mack Herron said:

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I thought the deadline has passed to file amicus briefs ?

borisman said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, as I couldn't read through this whole thread, but in the brief filed by AFL-CIO it was mentioned about Goodell issuing the initial discipline (or did I misread it). As I recall he had Troy Vincent (ahem) decide on the discipline so Goodell could be the arbitrator in the appeal hearing. If that's the case then the AFL-CIO got that part wrong and that would be an error. I hope I'm wrong.

This thing is getting serious steam and I'm glad Ted Olson reached out to so many people to stand up for the labor force and file these briefs. I dont' see how it's possible that this case doesn't get re-heard. There's just too much pressure now and the whole country will be awaiting a reply from CA2.

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My memory may be wrong too but I believe Goodell backtracked from Vincent imposed the discipline to he did it.

borisman said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, as I couldn't read through this whole thread, but in the brief filed by AFL-CIO it was mentioned about Goodell issuing the initial discipline (or did I misread it). As I recall he had Troy Vincent (ahem) decide on the discipline so Goodell could be the arbitrator in the appeal hearing. If that's the case then the AFL-CIO got that part wrong and that would be an error. I hope I'm wrong.

This thing is getting serious steam and I'm glad Ted Olson reached out to so many people to stand up for the labor force and file these briefs. I dont' see how it's possible that this case doesn't get re-heard. There's just too much pressure now and the whole country will be awaiting a reply from CA2.

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Already been discussed in the thread. Goodell admitted later that Vincent was just a mouthpiece and that He, Goodell, was the one that made the decision on the punishment.