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So Harvin is excused for being a pain in the ass because those coaches rely on veterans to keep the locker room in line?

The guy has been in the league 7 years and on a team with vets that went to the SB twice....and he was a menace and had to go.

Pats have more structure sure but Harvin isn't exactly a go-along guy.
Not saying he should be excused. Just saying he is the kind of guy who probably needs a more structured environment and quality coaching and he hasn't ever really had it.
 
Not saying he should be excused. Just saying he is the kind of guy who probably needs a more structured environment and quality coaching and he hasn't ever really had it.

I dunna know.

I don't like Pom Pom Petey but his track record since he left here is pretty damn good and players play hard for him. He should have thrived in SEA but blew it.

Harvin's core issue is that he puts his personal interests before the team dynamic. If there were a slew of teamates who came out and said that they loved playing with Harvin then I would be singing a different tune. For that reason, that is why I want no part of him.
 
I dunna know.

I don't like Pom Pom Petey but his track record since he left here is pretty damn good and players play hard for him. He should have thrived in SEA but blew it.

Harvin's core issue is that he puts his personal interests before the team dynamic. If there were a slew of teamates who came out and said that they loved playing with Harvin then I would be singing a different tune. For that reason, that is why I want no part of him.
I hear you bud. IMO there's just no harm in a 1 year, low value deal. Bring him in, coach him up. He also knows he's running out of chances. If it works out, sweet! If it isn't working or if he's causing problems, you can dump him in TC with little impact. These "reclamation projects" are right up BB's alley, though.
 
I hear you bud. IMO there's just no harm in a 1 year, low value deal. Bring him in, coach him up. He also knows he's running out of chances. If it works out, sweet! If it isn't working or if he's causing problems, you can dump him in TC with little impact. These "reclamation projects" are right up BB's alley, though.

I'm pretty sure BB, Caserio and the rest of the FO have a jacket 2 inches thick on Harvin going all the way back to U of F when the strongly considered drafting him. Hes shot his way out of town on 3 teams so its not glowing....

If there is a team that has the structure and people in place to deal with a problem child like Harvin its here. However you need to think of the other 52 players and the coaches as well that'll need to keep an eye on him.

Harvin's agent is Joel Segal who repped Moss in 2010, Law Firm in 2012. Those obviously did not end well. He did rep Terrell Brown so in terms of striking a deal, the Pats have some mixed success with the agent.

Beyond the issues with Harvin, you really need to wonder what his health situation is. I question if hes a 500 snap guy anymore and maybe hes just a guy for returns and obvious throwing downs...?
 
RB is the biggest need imo, but OL is a close second, still im not hearing anyone's sugestion on it.

Cannon sucks and Solder has a major longevity issue. So the first thing is drafting a Tackle.

the second is to upgrade the guard position. Mathis going to Denver was a major coup, he helped their running game so much this season.
Anyway, Jackson and Mason could improve for sure, but i cant stand to see Brady being eaten every other play. We need a better, proven player.

My suggestion is Alex Boone. He used to be a pro bowler, until the 49ers become a disarray of a franchise. He's 29, i bet he would be willing to come here and his price shouldnt be too high.
Sign the beast BB
 
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I'd kick the tires on Tulloch


Would not mind Tulloch and with Mayo gone your LB core after Collins and Hightower are Freeny (Meh!), Bostic, Flemming, Snyder and Fletcher.......Yikes!!!!!! Bostic may have potential after some time in our system but nobody is filling shoes here if Collins or Hightower miss time.

My two internal thoughts on the roster now are Rufus Johnson as OLB. Played very well in pre-season but who knows.......... and Pat Chung...what?...yes he played many snaps at OLB this year. With former SSs like Mark Baron and Deone Bucannon playing Hy-brid OLB, Chung is a natural. He is as big as they are and bigger than some natural OLB starters in the NFL. He is developing into a solid tackler and can cover a WR, TE or RB. Now you need a Safety to replace him. I have to admit Eric Weddle is my binkie. He wants a ring. BB has no problem getting a playmaker in here like Rodney when the position was stacked.
So your LBs could be Collins, Hightower and Chung and your Safeties McCourty and Weddle. I would say that would be the stoutest back middle in the NFL. I think Weddle takes less to play here. Maybe the two smartest Safeties in the game together.

Doesn't solve the "what-if" problem at LB. I am interested to see if Bostic, who they traded for, can develop. But there are better out there and still young. We need a plug and play LB, not a second or third Team back up. Reps for another stud could be sread out and help Hightower and Collins. Rolando McClain is a player they took a run at last year. He is becoming better as he matures form knuckleheadness.

Another name no one mentions is Zach Brown. Was injured in 2014 with a pectoral injury and on and off last year. He still had 76 tackles and two INTs. Blazing 4.54 speed and can cover. His Rookie year he had 93 tackles, 5.5 sacks and 3 INTs with two for TDs. He is a faster Jarod Mayo. He could be used in more than one position. Why not use him as an edge rusher.?He is about the same size and speed as Von Miller. They are the same age at 26. Brown can play ILB and OLB. With Collins and Brown you would have the two fastest LBs in the NFL. Look how well the Bronco's fast LBs played against the Panthers. I think Brown might be fairly cheap.

Resign Hicks. Keep Easley healthy...good luck on that. Move Chung to OLB. Hire Weddle and Brown (or McClain) . Those few small tweaks and our defense is set.

DW Toys
 
RB is the biggest need imo, but OL is a close second, still im not hearing anyone's sugestion on it.

Cannon sucks and Solder and majors longevity issues. So the first thing is drafting a Tackle.

Second thing is to upgrade the guard position. Mathis going to Denver was a major coup, he helped their running game so much this season.
Anyway, Jackson and Mason could improve for sure, but i cant stand to see Brady being eaten every other play. We need better, proven player.

My suggestion is Alex Boone. He used to be a pro bowler, until the 49ers become a disarray of a franchise. He's 29, i bet he would be willing to come here and his price shouldnt be too high.
Sign the beast BB

Boone would be a great acquisition. Drafting an OT is a risky situation. Of the 5 OTs taken in the first round in 2015, most have disappointed with the exception of Scherff and he switched to Guard. In 2014 there were 4 OTs taken. Most are mediocre at best.

I think if I am going OT in the first three rounds (Roger says only two!) I am looking for a Dante project OT who's names are not Cannon or Flemming as Part "B", and pick up a ready O-Lineman as Part "A". Also LaAdrian Waddle might be an in house option OT with Dante schooling.

I am pitching Kelvin Beachum (via Steelers). Young and athletic. Started for Pittsburgh (passing Team, yes?) at left OT. ACL early 2015 but said to be ready first game in 2016. Might, I say might have pro bowl capabilities. The ACL keeps the price low. He may have more upside than Solder and is the heir to Volmer. He could come back with fewer reps to start 2016 as he gets back to full health.

At Guard, I think a good piece would be a healthy Jahri Evans. He is 32 but Waters was a great pick up by BB. He is only one year from All Pro status prior to nicked up and CAP cut. I think Mason and Jackson along with Evans gives a great rotation and a good vet for the kids to learn from. He would have stopped the bleeding in the Broncos game I believe. Evan Mathis was a huge miss by the Pats this year.

After OL. I am all in on Matt Forte. He could catch over 100 from TB besides a decent RB still at his age. He wants a ring. Split out James White and make him a wide out and have a double threat at RB of Lewis and Forte? Great stuff.

At receiver I would rather pay Coby Fleener more money than a WR like a Marvin Jones. Two TE sets with another kid with 4.5 speed and 50 catches the last three years at 6'6" and 251 lbs. to go with Gronk?

At WR obviously you want Megatron but that is a slim chance. The guy I want is WR Mike Wallace on a prove it deal if he gets cut. He made his money. His route running and hands have improved. He is bigger than our presnt WR other than LaFell.

Wallace is stuck in a run-first Offense with a QB that has a short to medium only arm. The image of him clearing out underneath for the two TEs (Gronk and Fleener) and JE are breath taking. You can't let Wallace get behind you. No one is afraid of LaFell, Dobson or Martin. You can't double Fleener and Gronk! Is TB still able to make Moss type throws? Wallace is still young. He speed is world class. The Vikes say he was a good soldier. It was not a great fit there.

In 2013-2014 Wallace caught 140 passes and 15 TDs with "Tebowesque" Tannehill at QB for pete's sake! Bet you did not know that!

With the defense spread, the running game improves.

Beachum= $5MM?
Evans=$3MM?
Forte=$2MM
Fleener=$4.5MM
Wallace=$4MM

DWToys
 
Would not mind Tulloch and with Mayo gone your LB core after Collins and Hightower are Freeny (Meh!), Bostic, Flemming, Snyder and Fletcher.......Yikes!!!!!! Bostic may have potential after some time in our system but nobody is filling shoes here if Collins or Hightower miss time.

My two internal thoughts on the roster now are Rufus Johnson as OLB. Played very well in pre-season but who knows.......... and Pat Chung...what?...yes he played many snaps at OLB this year. With former SSs like Mark Baron and Deone Bucannon playing Hy-brid OLB, Chung is a natural. He is as big as they are and bigger than some natural OLB starters in the NFL. He is developing into a solid tackler and can cover a WR, TE or RB. Now you need a Safety to replace him. I have to admit Eric Weddle is my binkie. He wants a ring. BB has no problem getting a playmaker in here like Rodney when the position was stacked.
So your LBs could be Collins, Hightower and Chung and your Safeties McCourty and Weddle. I would say that would be the stoutest back middle in the NFL. I think Weddle takes less to play here. Maybe the two smartest Safeties in the game together.

Doesn't solve the "what-if" problem at LB. I am interested to see if Bostic, who they traded for, can develop. But there are better out there and still young. We need a plug and play LB, not a second or third Team back up. Reps for another stud could be sread out and help Hightower and Collins. Rolando McClain is a player they took a run at last year. He is becoming better as he matures form knuckleheadness.

Another name no one mentions is Zach Brown. Was injured in 2014 with a pectoral injury and on and off last year. He still had 76 tackles and two INTs. Blazing 4.54 speed and can cover. His Rookie year he had 93 tackles, 5.5 sacks and 3 INTs with two for TDs. He is a faster Jarod Mayo. He could be used in more than one position. Why not use him as an edge rusher.?He is about the same size and speed as Von Miller. They are the same age at 26. Brown can play ILB and OLB. With Collins and Brown you would have the two fastest LBs in the NFL. Look how well the Bronco's fast LBs played against the Panthers. I think Brown might be fairly cheap.

Resign Hicks. Keep Easley healthy...good luck on that. Move Chung to OLB. Hire Weddle and Brown (or McClain) . Those few small tweaks and our defense is set.

DW Toys
Is it weird that I got ever so slightly hard reading and thinking about these possibilities?
 
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That's a good point to bring up.

Personally, I believe he has that mental ability. Playing as much as he has in the slot, he has run option routes consistently throughout his career. I'm pretty confident he'd be able to make the transition here. I think when you have experience playing in the slot, where you have to make reads/decisions on routes more frequently than on the outside, it puts you ahead of the curve when coming here. It's not like you're bringing in a Joey Galloway who just wants to run straight down the field and catch balls on fly patterns.

Bill worked him out pre-draft at Florida and was reportedly set to take him in the 09 Draft before Minnesota grabbed him with the pick before us, as Reiss has written about.
What might have been with Percy Harvin?
Belichick also worked out Chad Jackson pre-draft. So did McDaniels. They both were supposedly really high on him. Brian Daboll, the WR coach at the time, didn't want Jackson. Daboll was right. Belichick and McDaniels were wrong..

Belichick always liked Chad Johnson as well. We know how that worked out..

I'm going to disagree with you that Harvin has the ability to run the routes and read defenses the same way Brady would. You, yourself, even said that his technique running routes is mediocre..
 
Belichick also worked out Chad Jackson pre-draft. So did McDaniels. They both were supposedly really high on him. Brian Daboll, the WR coach at the time, didn't want Jackson. Daboll was right. Belichick and McDaniels were wrong..

Belichick always liked Chad Johnson as well. We know how that worked out..

I'm going to disagree with you that Harvin has the ability to run the routes and read defenses the same way Brady would. You, yourself, even said that his technique running routes is mediocre..


I don't see Harvin...if Reggie Wayne couldn't bring himself to get the reps in with Brady, the Harvin is a waste of time

so far the only ones who were plug and play at a high level were Gronk,AH,Welker,Moss,Troy Brown, Deion Branch.......everyone else had to put a ton of time in to even get past the mediocre stage.....
 
The reason why you take a chance on Marshall and Moss is because they are elite talents that throughout their careers produced at a high level.

I think Marshall is bi-polar and is on meds to keep him balanced. He still says dumb things but whatever...

Harvin has been going backwards for four years now and is not the player he was in MN.

Personally, I don't think Harvin has ever gotten the chance to consistently produce at a high level because of the quarterbacks he's played with. He doesn't have the "starts" but his talent pops on the screen when you see him play.

The best QB he's played with is probably Wilson, who is not a prolific passer by any means, or an aging Favre in 2009 when he was a rookie.

I watched the Bills opening game this season against the Colts due to an interest in seeing how Rex's defense was going to look. I was impressed with Harvin in the game. He had 5 catches for 79 yards and a TD, also had a rushing attempt for 9 yards.

The TD he had was a 51 yard fly route where he just ran past a corner who was singled up on him in off coverage. That's not easy to do. I was impressed by it, as some had suggested he had lost a step and didn't have the same explosiveness.

Now, The corner was Darius Butler, so feel free to insert any "seen that before" joke, Lol. But Butler has played better with Indy, and if nothing else, always had good straight line speed, running a 4.41 in the combine (which is the same time that Harvin ran). My problems with Butler were always regarding his fluidity in and out of breaks, lack of physicality, and struggle to find the ball in the air. But on this play, Harvin just simply blew by him and beat him in a foot race, which impressed me. Overhead shot in the video below shows it well.



RB is the biggest need imo, but OL is a close second, still im not hearing anyone's sugestion on it.

Cannon sucks and Solder has a major longevity issue. So the first thing is drafting a Tackle.

the second is to upgrade the guard position. Mathis going to Denver was a major coup, he helped their running game so much this season.
Anyway, Jackson and Mason could improve for sure, but i cant stand to see Brady being eaten every other play. We need a better, proven player.

My suggestion is Alex Boone. He used to be a pro bowler, until the 49ers become a disarray of a franchise. He's 29, i bet he would be willing to come here and his price shouldnt be too high.
Sign the beast BB

I agree, OL is definitely not being talked about as much as it needs to be. The thinking seems to be that just because Scar is back, everything will be fine.

The longevity of Solder and Vollmer are definitely issues. Those guys have been beaten up over the years. Even when healthy, Solder has been solid but is nothing spectacular in my opinion.

And we've never adequately replaced the loss of Mankins and Waters. Those guys were upper echelon talents. Maybe some of these young guys can develop into good full time starters, but we'll have to see.

I feel that sometimes the Pats are too reluctant to just think they can plug and play middle/late round guys that they can coach up. While they've been very successful doing it, it's burned them in some big games IMO, where their line has been dominated by superior talent. Sometimes you need to spend the draft capital/money on the better talents like Mankins.

I like the suggestion of giving Boone a shot at the right price, he'd bring some rugged physicality to the guard position for us. I know people have had character concerns about him in the past, but I'm not familiar enough to remember all the details about it.
 
Belichick also worked out Chad Jackson pre-draft. So did McDaniels. They both were supposedly really high on him. Brian Daboll, the WR coach at the time, didn't want Jackson. Daboll was right. Belichick and McDaniels were wrong..

Belichick always liked Chad Johnson as well. We know how that worked out..

I'm going to disagree with you that Harvin has the ability to run the routes and read defenses the same way Brady would. You, yourself, even said that his technique running routes is mediocre..

We'll just have to disagree on that. I don't think there would be an issue with Brady and Harvin being on the same page. His route running is mediocre in terms of not having that refined/polished repertoire of knowing how to set guys up with foot work, head fakes, hesitations, etc. A guy like Deion Branch was great at this as he aged IMO.

Harvin has beaten guys his pure physical talents of quickness/speed/explosion. He still possesses that skill set in my opinion. The only time I'd start to worry about his route running is when he starts slowing down in his mid 30's and can't just beat guys with his pure physical talents anymore. That's when he's going to need to be more crafty at his trade in order to get open consistently. I'm not concerned about that yet at this point. He's only 28.

BB's record with drafting WR's is not promising, so I understand the correlation you're drawing. Taylor Price, Brandon Tate, Chad Jackson, Aaron Dobson, etc. However, none of those guys were first round picks. Bill's first round draft acumen is very impressive and that's where he Was going to take Harvin. He typically doesn't whiff on guys in the first round. Even the "bad" first rounders like Maroney and Meriweather were decent contributors for a period of time.

Was Chad Jackson really a failure because he couldn't translate/didn't have the skill set, or because his body failed him? The guy seemed constantly hurt during his time her. Hamstring, groin, knee. Felt like the guy was never truly healthy as a pro.
 
maybe laurinaitis

long seems to be breaking down and cook has a pretty low tgt/completion percentage
 
Personally, I don't think Harvin has ever gotten the chance to consistently produce at a high level because of the quarterbacks he's played with. He doesn't have the "starts" but his talent pops on the screen when you see him play.

The best QB he's played with is probably Wilson, who is not a prolific passer by any means, or an aging Favre in 2009 when he was a rookie.

I watched the Bills opening game this season against the Colts due to an interest in seeing how Rex's defense was going to look. I was impressed with Harvin in the game. He had 5 catches for 79 yards and a TD, also had a rushing attempt for 9 yards.

The TD he had was a 51 yard fly route where he just ran past a corner who was singled up on him in off coverage. That's not easy to do. I was impressed by it, as some had suggested he had lost a step and didn't have the same explosiveness.

Now, The corner was Darius Butler, so feel free to insert any "seen that before" joke, Lol. But Butler has played better with Indy, and if nothing else, always had good straight line speed, running a 4.41 in the combine (which is the same time that Harvin ran). My problems with Butler were always regarding his fluidity in and out of breaks, lack of physicality, and struggle to find the ball in the air. But on this play, Harvin just simply blew by him and beat him in a foot race, which impressed me. Overhead shot in the video below shows it well.



Favre in 2009 was an MVP candidate and Harvin did well. From 2010-2012 I give him even more credit than you do because he put up very respectable numbers with ****ty QBs throwing to him.

He still has the jets and can break games open but he can't stay on the field with any consistency. Because of various maladies he has only played in 36 games of a possible 64 games in the last 4 seasons.
 
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