Brady in the 2015 MVP Race

Ivan · Dec 13, 2015

If the Panthers go unbeaten it should, go to Newton, if they end up 15-1 and the Patriots win out then it should go to the player who had the better season, right now that would be Brady imo.

Uncle Rico · Dec 13, 2015

BobDigital said:
#1 Cam Newton
#2 Tom Brady

#3 ???? IDK.

I think if Cam takes it unless Carolina loses at least 2 games.

#3 -- might have to go Russell Wilson there. Helluva run he's on. Five TDs today.

Gronkowski123 · Dec 13, 2015

brady was never going to win the mvp, media woudnd't give him the votes.
they needed an excuse, and the two losses are the excuses not to give brady the mvp.

doesnt matter, brady is the best player in the league and it's not even close. GOAT
as long as we win #5 i dont give a ****

TinhWoodhead · Dec 13, 2015

Assuming the Pats get everybody back and they meet an undefeated Panthers in the SB, who will be the favorite?

RelocatedPatFan · Dec 13, 2015

blackglass3 said:
Brady ain't getting that award, I doubt he ever was. Too much "But, but, Deflategate..." going on still. Let Cam win it.

BB got coach of the year in 2007...

And if the NFL wants to promote Cam Newton as the next generation QB/marquee player, then I'm not going to lose sleep over that. He's certainly making a case for himself and Ron Rivera for working with what he has. Regardless our guys have 1 goal in mind and the rest is just fluff to look at until their career is over and they reflect on their accomplishments.

trevrox · Dec 13, 2015

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
Naaaahhh...that just isn't true. Virtually every major writer had Brady as their mid season MVP; he is the leading pro bowl vote getter. Deflategste bias, IF it exists at all, which I'm skeptical about, isn't the reason. Let's face it: over the last five games or so he hasn't been his typical great self due to injuries and some bad decisions. Newton has been playing out of his mind.

Yeah, maybe he has, but Brady was able to take us to OT against one of the top rated defenses in the NFL, that at one point held so called second best QB Aaron Rodgers to 77 yards, throwing to practice squad players. There should be more considered besides stats, because Brady has been having arguably his best season. And despite two losses, he's still been playing remarkably considering what he has IMO

Pessimistic Pete · Dec 13, 2015

borg said:
Any reason you choose not to include rushing stats and team record?

Total yards, genius.

And why the hell would I need to separate rushing/passing yards? Total yards is a more accurate way to see just how much both QBs have contributed to their team's offensive performance.

borg · Dec 13, 2015

Pessimistic Pete said:
Total yards, genius.

And why the hell would I need to separate rushing/passing yards? Total yards is a more accurate way to see just how much both QBs have contributed to their team's offensive performance.

Find me one stat site that has this mystery creation. Equating a passing yard to a rushing yard is as dumb as it gets. Regardless, If Brady doesn't win, you'll just blame Goodell anyone....you got it covered.
Fabricated stats, automatic excuse....Homer Central

primetime · Dec 13, 2015

trevrox said:
Yeah, maybe he has, but Brady was able to take us to OT against one of the top rated defenses in the NFL, that at one point held so called second best QB Aaron Rodgers to 77 yards, throwing to practice squad players. There should be more considered besides stats, because Brady has been having arguably his best season. And despite two losses, he's still been playing remarkably considering what he has IMO

Cam is throwing to Greg Olsen, Ted Ginn, Jerricho Cotchery, Philly Brown, and Devin Funchess. He's got worse weapons than Brady, even with Edelman and Gronk out.

Pessimistic Pete · Dec 13, 2015

borg said:
Find me one stat site that has this mystery creation. Equating a passing yard to a rushing yard is as dumb as it gets. Regardless, If Brady doesn't win, you'll just blame Goodell anyone....you got it covered.
Fabricated stats, automatic excuse....Homer Central

Are you saying Cam gaining 10 yards on a scramble is more valuable than Brady throwing a 10 yard 1st down pass?

While also pretending you've never heard of "total yards"

Stop.

Brady6 · Dec 13, 2015

Pessimistic Pete said:
Tom Brady is clearly the MVP of the league right now.

Sadly, the media/league would love nothing more than to give it to Cam Newton instead, for a bunch of reasons.

Tom Brady (12 games)
34 total TDs
6 INTs
3,957 total yards
102.8 QB Rating

Cam Newton (12 games)
32 total TDs
10 INTs
3272 total Yards
93.2 QB Rating

Carson Palmer is also in the running, though I think it will ultimately come down to Brady vs Newton.

What do you guys think it will take for Brady to win the MVP this year?

I think for him to have a chance, the Patriots need to get the #1 seed in the AFC and the Panthers have to drop at least one game.

Brady is probably the OPOY but Newton given his 13-0 record and limited supporting cast on offense is the league MVP right now.

GodBrady · Dec 13, 2015

primetime said:
Cam is throwing to Greg Olsen, Ted Ginn, Jerricho Cotchery, Philly Brown, and Devin Funchess. He's got worse weapons than Brady, even with Edelman and Gronk out.

Yep. Newton's weapons are joke. Greg Olsen is his only above-average teammate on offense. When healthy, our offensed featured Edelman and Gronk (both premier players), plus two very solid role players in Amendola and Lewis. I know we've been hit by the injury bug recently, but for most of the year Brady has had a very respectable surrounding cast.

This isn't to take anything away from Tom, it's just that he what Cam is doing almost by himself is incredible.

JJDChE · Dec 13, 2015

The guy carrying the undefeated team wins it hands down. If Carolina loses then its up for grabs, assuming it isn't a week 17 loss when resting the starters.

Patsfan22 · Dec 13, 2015

Cam wins it. At the moment the Panthers are undefeated and look like staying that way. Even if they don't, Cam would still win because he's never won it before and he's black. He is playing at a MVP level and his story and the 'culture' he is bringing to the league is just too good for voters too pass up even if Brady and Carson threw for 5 TD's every game for the rest of the year.

primetime · Dec 13, 2015

Patsfan22 said:
Cam wins it. At the moment the Panthers are undefeated and look like staying that way. Even if they don't, Cam would still win because he's never won it before and he's black. He is playing at a MVP level and his story and the 'culture' he is bringing to the league is just too good for voters too pass up even if Brady and Carson threw for 5 TD's every game for the rest of the year.

Thanks for adding your opinion. Surprised the Grand Wizard lets you post here.

Patsfan22 · Dec 14, 2015

primetime said:
Thanks for adding your opinion. Surprised the Grand Wizard lets you post here.

Even when Brady was playing lights people were giving Cam the MVP nod over Brady because of the 'culture and style' he brings to the league. I'm moving past the euphemism and saying it how it is.

Cam has played well down the stretch while Brady has fallen away but do you really believe that if stats and record were equal, people would vote for Brady over Cam? Some might but I doubt its a majority and that's my point. If it's close statistically, Cam wins easily.

I don't see how highlighting a potential bias by voters makes me a member of the KKK.

primetime · Dec 14, 2015

Patsfan22 said:
I don't see how highlighting a potential bias by voters makes me a member of the KKK.

You basically said Cam's not deserving of the MVP, that it's his skin color that's going to win him the award. But it doesn't even make sense, a black man won the award no more than 3 seasons ago, and Cam wouldn't even be the first black QB to win (did Peterson and McNair only win because of "culture?"). Literally nothing about that argument makes sense. Cam was an MVP candidate all year and in the last 4 weeks or so has turned up his play while his competitors fell off. His team has a decent chance of running the table.

scott99 · Dec 14, 2015

I give Newton some credit, having a wonderful season, but honestly, if Peyton Manning had the numbers Brady has, leading the league in yards and TD passes, you wouldn't even be hearing about Newton. It's just the way the NFL is. They'd be drooling all over Peyton.

billdog3484 · Dec 14, 2015

how can you not give it to Cam Newton? i want brady to win but it aint happening barring a major breakdown of the panthers....and stop with the stats

Pessimistic Pete said:
Tom Brady is clearly the MVP of the league right now.

Sadly, the media/league would love nothing more than to give it to Cam Newton instead, for a bunch of reasons.

Tom Brady (12 games)
34 total TDs
6 INTs
3,957 total yards
102.8 QB Rating

Cam Newton (12 games)
32 total TDs
10 INTs
3272 total Yards
93.2 QB Rating

Carson Palmer is also in the running, though I think it will ultimately come down to Brady vs Newton.

What do you guys think it will take for Brady to win the MVP this year?

I think for him to have a chance, the Patriots need to get the #1 seed in the AFC and the Panthers have to drop at least one game.

IllegalContact · Dec 14, 2015

ummm......the difference between this offense with gronk versus without gronk causes brady's case for the award to be lessened

gronk is top 10 in yards, YAC, YPC, TD's, number of catches > 20 yds.....as a TE, he dwarfs everyone

brady is awesome, but.....

not that I care about the award anyway......just give to newton now and watch them be 1 and done in the playoffs

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