So..New England wasn't fun for Wayne..

Bradyking12 said:

Last month Randy Moss said he wouldn't rule out a comeback, now if it was up to you guys for this season have Moss back would you do it?

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No! People seem to forget how Moss shot is way out of town. Haven't we had enough distractions for one season? I don't even want petite Randy Moss.

He would get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars if not a million or more, and he wants it to be fun? You get that kind of money and you're expected to work hard for it. WTF is wrong with some players?

Sounds like someone was looking for easy mode to SB50 or an easy payday and discovered he wasn't going to get it here.

The worst part is, all the damn hater comments are trying to spin this as 'guess he didn't want to cheat to win' ... blah blah blah

Well he won't be a loss here, the patriots are built around a 53 man team each who pulls their own weight, no one gets off easy and no one is more special than the other. If he can't do his part then they wouldn't want him ... which seems to be the case.

Bradyking12 said:

Last month Randy Moss said he wouldn't rule out a comeback, now if it was up to you guys for this season have Moss back would you do it?

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I doubt he'd have the ability after being out of the game for so long and being 38, but I wouldn't be shocked either. The guy is a physical specimen and a smart player, his problem was always his attitude. At this point, he wouldn't have much reason for playing other than the love of the game and he also seems to love the Patriots. Why not at least give him a workout and go from there? If he's a problem, cut him.

I just think he didn't want to deal with the extra work of starting over in a new system.

I've thought about this for years, and I'm not fully convinced the Pats have some impossible offensive system to pick up. I believe the players' reports that it's well above league average in complexity, but there are other factors. You can't convince me that Moss, Edelman, Gronk and Welker just happen to be the select few who are savants enough to thrive, and seemingly no one else gets it. I think a lot of these older vets we bring in simply don't have it anymore, and the rookies or younger guys simply suck. There isn't much WR talent who failed here thriving on other teams.

Also, Wayne had an awesome NFL career. Being soft isn't a detriment as a Colts WR, and you really can't be that soft in any system as a WR if you put up over 14k yards. Being loyal to his organization and playing through the "Suck for Luck" year was impressive. It actually paid off for him.

If it's true that Wayne felt this way about the team, then that makes me even more proud of the Patriots... they work hard and make sacrifices to deserve every single one of their wins.

Now that's my kind of team!

Salva135 said:

I just think he didn't want to deal with the extra work of starting over in a new system.

I've thought about this for years, and I'm not fully convinced the Pats have some impossible offensive system to pick up. I believe the players' reports that it's well above league average in complexity, but there are other factors. You can't convince me that Moss, Edelman, Gronk and Welker just happen to be the select few who are savants enough to thrive, and seemingly no one else gets it. I think a lot of these older vets we bring in simply don't have it anymore, and the rookies or younger guys simply suck. There isn't much WR talent who failed here thriving on other teams.

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It takes more than just being physically talented to be on the patriots, they require a level of intelligence to understand their system as well as the willingness to put in the work to learn it. I don't think you have to be a savant, but you have to be willing to take time to study, and practice. There is a limited number of players who can fill these roles, so yes in a way Brady, Gronk, edelman, Moss, Welker amongst the others are few and far between.

There was an article, which I can no longer remember or find that talked about this and how the Patriots offensive plays are unique amongst the league. Most teams have a set of plays they will use each game, and may make adjustments to them depending on the opponent but they stick to those plays every game. The Patriots custom tailor every game to their opponent, increasing the number of plays a player needs to learn. In addition, each play can have several things happen depending on the look of the defense after the ball is snapped, so the running backs, line men, receivers, etc all have to be on the same page and adjust accordingly.

The article compared the Patriots way to a team like the Colts who have a base set of plays they always use, and their goal is to execute those plays perfectly, so thats all they ever practice. They depend on defenses making errors or mistakes. The patriots show a new look each time and are unpredictable. It also went on to say this is partly why Ochocinco did not make it with the Patriots.

As I recall the article used the analogy of a rented tuxedo which is made for a broad set of people, versus a custom tailored Tuxedo that is made specifically for one individual. The patriots make a new tux for each opponent.

Bottom line, Colts and many other NFL teams systems are fairly easy to learn to an experienced player, where as Patriots system is hard for just about everyone unless they are putting in the time.

So NE was not a pic-nic, eh? If he can't hack it then good riddance, with all due respect....

It actually makes me respect this organization and every player who fought hard to make the 53 even more. And the many who fought hard but still couldn't.

Consider a guy like Dion Lewis who could barely contain his pride on Twitter for making the team. Good for the guys who fought and earned their spots.

I don't see this as a real big knock on Wayne. Wayne is an aging vet who played his whole career for an organization that was not a BB fanatical atmosphere (few are BB type atmospheres). He then comes into this new type atmosphere and saw that it just isn't what he wants from his few remaining years of playing football. Hasn't he been doing it long enough to have more than earned making that kind of career decision?

I think we should be happy Wayne asked for a release. We need as many players as possible who buy into BB's 'preparation/winning is fanatically singular'. IMHO it is a tipping point for the Patriots the moment the Patriots start accumulating too many players that do not buy into that.

Meh.

I've changed jobs 4 times in the last 15 years. And each time the first 6 months I spend wishing I was at the old job and hating my life.

Change is hard and when you're a rich manchild you probably don't have to stick it out because of bills like the rest of us.

I really think he just saw the writing on the wall.

Marko said:

I really think he just saw the writing on the wall.

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Well, he realized that early enough to make room for someone else on the roster.... and I can appreciate that.

I just hope he doesn't walk away with the 450,000 signing bonus. Would be a waste of cap money.

Chiuba E. Obele said:

I just hope he doesn't walk away with the 450,000 signing bonus. Would be a waste of cap money.

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Yeah, I don't see that as fair. They should have said they'd only release him if he gave the signing bonus back.

He isn't coming across as the 'all-class professional' we always heard about, but I guess neither did Marvin Harrison, the guy most people forgot was Hernandez before Hernandez.

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How embarrassing for Wayne

brap999 said:

It takes more than just being physically talented to be on the patriots, they require a level of intelligence to understand their system as well as the willingness to put in the work to learn it. I don't think you have to be a savant, but you have to be willing to take time to study, and practice. There is a limited number of players who can fill these roles, so yes in a way Brady, Gronk, edelman, Moss, Welker amongst the others are few and far between.

There was an article, which I can no longer remember or find that talked about this and how the Patriots offensive plays are unique amongst the league. Most teams have a set of plays they will use each game, and may make adjustments to them depending on the opponent but they stick to those plays every game. The Patriots custom tailor every game to their opponent, increasing the number of plays a player needs to learn. In addition, each play can have several things happen depending on the look of the defense after the ball is snapped, so the running backs, line men, receivers, etc all have to be on the same page and adjust accordingly.

The article compared the Patriots way to a team like the Colts who have a base set of plays they always use, and their goal is to execute those plays perfectly, so thats all they ever practice. They depend on defenses making errors or mistakes. The patriots show a new look each time and are unpredictable. It also went on to say this is partly why Ochocinco did not make it with the Patriots.

As I recall the article used the analogy of a rented tuxedo which is made for a broad set of people, versus a custom tailored Tuxedo that is made specifically for one individual. The patriots make a new tux for each opponent.

Bottom line, Colts and many other NFL teams systems are fairly easy to learn to an experienced player, where as Patriots system is hard for just about everyone unless they are putting in the time.

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I think you are talking about the "Speak My Language" article on Grantland.

http://grantland.com/features/how-t...helped-maintain-dominance-tom-brady-patriots/

I think it should be mandatory reading for everyone who wants to start a discussion about anything offense..

His Prius was seen leaving town after he stopped at Starbucks.

Goodbye Uno Cinco.

Imagine if Wayne signed with us in May. He would have lasted one week at training camp. I have read several former players say when they come to the Pats, they see a huge difference between the teams they've been on, and that losing is not in the vocabulary, they expect to win EVERY game. Being a winner is hard work I guess. Regardless, I'm kinda happy he didn't stay, looked kinda terrible in the games.

This is a story I don't put much weight into frankly. Until I hear it from Wayne himself, I'm going with what BB said.

Crazy Patriot Guy said:

I don't get the hate. If Wayne signs with someone else instead of retiring, I'll change my tune. Right now, it simply looks like a tired older player that was overwhelmed by needing to start over in a completely different system. Maybe he just felt like his passion wasn't there enough anymore to endure another season where he's basically a rookie again. It happens to players all the time.

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That is exactly what I am thinking- for some players it's just too hard to start all over again, especially when you've been in basically one system for 14-15 years.

Is it worth it to try to start all over again only to play one or two more seasons at the most? He probably didn't think so.