Aaron Dobson

Deus Irae · Aug 30, 2015

I see people are still batshit crazy enough to try pinning the pick on Brady, when it's clearly on Dobson.

Sad....

Froob · Aug 30, 2015

Deus Irae said:
I see people are still batshit crazy enough to try pinning the pick on Brady, when it's clearly on Dobson.

Sad....

Probably Dobson's foot or something is to blame I'm sure.

50-yard-line · Aug 30, 2015

mikey m said:
Ok, that's fine with me. At least the record shows you failed to discuss a single aspect of the play in question and resorted to **** like "But Dobson is bigger!" or "Ask someone else who said during the game that Dobson needs to catch that ball." Good talk.

Haven't read the whole thread past this, but "Peanut" Tillman is 6'2", 210...Dobson is 6'3", 209. This isn't a Calvin on Arrington situation here.

RIpats88 · Aug 30, 2015

Im still confused though how it was an interception. On replay to me dobson hit the ground with the ball at his chest then tillman ripped it away got up and ran.

At the very least tillman shouldve been down by contact

All22PatsFan · Aug 30, 2015

Brady's second INT should have never been thrown. Sure Dobson slowed down when he saw the safety. But even if he didn't the ball still would have been picked. No way the Pats cut Dobson, he is the only WR who can be a real deep threat. Dobson clearly got separation vs Carolina. Garappolo had Dobson open deep in the middle of the field but under threw causing an incompletion and Jimmy did connect with AD down the sideline

Froob · Aug 30, 2015

All22PatsFan said:
Brady's second INT should have never been thrown. Sure Dobson slowed down when he saw the safety. But even if he didn't the ball still would have been picked. No way the Pats cut Dobson, he is the only WR who can be a real deep threat. Dobson clearly got separation vs Carolina. Garappolo had Dobson open deep in the middle of the field but under threw causing an incompletion and Jimmy did connect with AD down the sideline

LaFell is a good deep threat. Would be very lucky if Dobson ever becomes as good as him.

All22PatsFan · Aug 30, 2015

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Froob said:
LaFell is a good deep threat. Would be very lucky if Dobson ever becomes as good as him.

I don't really think LaFell is a deep threat his best routes are short to intermediate he is great on comebacks, slants. Pats really didn't send him deep last year. When Dobson goes deep he has a second gear to get really good seperation.

Froob · Aug 30, 2015

All22PatsFan said:
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I don't really think LaFell is a deep threat his best routes are short to intermediate he is great on comebacks, slants. Pats really didn't send him deep last year. When Dobson goes deep he has a second gear to get really good seperation.

Honestly I think Edelman and LaFell are good outside wide outs and are excellent value. If Dobson somehow rebounds could move Edelman inside here and there. Man and Dobson did look so good vs Giants in PS finale. Hard to believe how far he fell.

All22PatsFan · Aug 30, 2015

Froob said:
Honestly I think Edelman and LaFell are good outside wide outs and are excellent value. If Dobson somehow rebounds could move Edelman inside here and there. Man and Dobson did look so good vs Giants in PS finale. Hard to believe how far he fell.

LaFell and Edelman are definitely great outside WRs. I just think Dobson gives the WRs a different type of player at WR. Dobson really physically slowed down last season and was evident in the Minnesota game. BB stated he came to camp in great shape and that would help his case. Dobson certainly showed potential his rookie season, way more then past rookies have shown.

captain stone · Aug 30, 2015

New England Pride said:
Thank you for contributing to the thread beyond the sarcastic/passive aggressive use of the "Funny" button. That wasn't so bad was it?

Now as far as your comment goes, I'm gonna completely disagree with the first paragraph. Dobson made catches away from his body during his rookie year so I'm not sure where you are getting that idea from. Even if it were true, you claim that this is somehow proof that he "Doesn't want it?" Maybe he doesn't want it, but I'm not sure how needing the ball in his belly is a clear sign of not wanting it. Wouldn't that just mean his hands need work and he can't catch it away from his body? That's a silly blanket statement that I would hear from Skip Bayless on first take. If your inside that locker room as either a player, coach, or trainer, then maybe youve seen things day to day that could lead you to say he "doesn't want it", but I'm gonna hedge my bet and say your just making a blanket statement.

As far as the physical test, I think it's obvious he has the tools physically to be a contributing nfl reciever. Emotionally, you could be right, but it has yet to be seen. One healthy season isn't enough data to say he doesn't have it emotionally. Seems pre mature to me, and it seems like you are writing him off.

As far as Keenan "Almost quit after my first game" Allen, what makes you think he has what it takes to make it here? Playing in New England is far different than playing in San Diego and assuming that Allen would have made it here is another wild assumption. My guess is Allen would have flamed out here and you'd be complaining about who else New England should have taken.

My theory is that between the complicated offense, and the extremely demanding and high pressure environment, this team is not young wide reciever friendly. I think we could second guess draft choices all day, but truth be told, I'm not so sure even a monster like Bryant could handle it in New England. I don't believe every reciever we draft sucks, I just think it's an uphill battle for the reasons I've stated.

Regarding the first 3 paragraphs, time will tell whose view is closer to the truth.

Regarding the last 2 paragraphs, this is a fault for which I believe Bill & Skippy need to held more accountable. Why is it that only one WR not drafted in the 7th round (Deion Branch) has been able to grasp this offense and become productive here? Is it really only because they have all sucked and were drafted well above their slot (Bethel Johnson, PK Sam, Brandon WR in Name Only Tate, Taylor Price, Aaron Dropson, Josh Boyce)? The answer based on that list seems to be an unequivocal Yes. Not only is Bill drafting the wrong guys, but he & Skippy are not giving those that are drafted any help in getting their feet wet with simpler plays designed to accentuate whatever strengths they actually did have.

If Bill is waiting for the Perfect WR to walk through his door, he can forget about it. He had his chance, on a Golden platter, in 2010 and he completely, inexplicably, unforgivably blew it. He should just not bother drafting WRs ever agin, because it is beyond obvious that he has no feckin clue what he's doing.

VrabelJr · Aug 30, 2015

Froob said:
Probably Dobson's foot or something is to blame I'm sure.

It goes without saying that Dobson isn't as good at catching balls with his toes as Rex Ryan is.

Oswlek · Aug 30, 2015

JMC00 said:
a WR getting two hands on the ball means the QB did their job and got them the ball.

This isn't remotely the case. I've seen scouting reports where it showed a poor grade for the QB on a 30 yard completion because a better throw would have led to a 70 yard touchdown.

Brady made a bad throw. This is indisputable. Doesn't mean Dobson gets a free pass for his effort, but there is no reason to ignore Tom's contribution.

PP2 · Aug 30, 2015

Oswlek said:
This isn't remotely the case. I've seen scouting reports where it showed a poor grade for the QB on a 30 yard completion because a better throw would have led to a 70 yard touchdown.

Brady made a bad throw. This is indisputable. Doesn't mean Dobson gets a free pass for his effort, but there is no reason to ignore Tom's contribution.

If this were true, you'd have seen him cuss like he did when he muffed the dump off to Bolden.

Oswlek · Aug 30, 2015

PP2 said:
If this were true, you'd have seen him cuss like he did when he muffed the dump off to Bolden.

I don't know. Are you suggesting Dobson ran the wrong route? I'd buy that assertion for more for pick #2 than pick #1. It just looked like a bad throw to me on the first one.

Deus Irae · Aug 30, 2015

Oswlek said:
I don't know. Are you suggesting Dobson ran the wrong route? I'd buy that assertion for more for pick #2 than pick #1. It just looked like a bad throw to me on the first one.

You're confusing "not perfect" with "bad". This is getting to be like the Welker drop discussion.

Oswlek · Aug 30, 2015

Deus Irae said:
You're confusing "not perfect" with "bad".

No. Dobson was open enough that a "not perfect" throw would still have hit the large window. It was a bad throw, anything worse would have been terrible.

Deus Irae · Aug 30, 2015

Oswlek said:
No. Dobson was open enough that a "not perfect" throw would still have hit the large window. It was a bad throw, anything worse would have been terrible.

And here we have a perfect example of the "Welker" side of things, where 99% of reality is spun on its head in order to defend an obviously ****ty play by the receiver.

The ball placement was acceptable, though not perfect, and good enough that the receiver should have made the play.

Oswlek · Aug 30, 2015

Deus Irae said:
The ball placement was not acceptable, but still good enough that the receiver should have made the play.

FTFY.

BTW, I never once said Dobson didn't make an error, nor did I ever say Welker didn't drop the ball, so the first part of your post really has nothing to do with my comment(s).

Deus Irae · Aug 30, 2015

Oswlek said:
FTFY.

BTW, I never once said Dobson didn't make an error, nor did I ever say Welker didn't drop the ball, so the first part of your post really has nothing to do with my comment(s).

You didn't fix it. You just compounded your error. And, the first part of my post really does had to do with your comment, because it goes to the unrealistic expectations of people:

Outside of Brady, Brees, Rodgers and, maybe, one or two other QBs, anyone who made that throw would be hearing about how it was a good throw, yet we've got people like yourself trying to claim it was unacceptable when it clearly wasn't. Also

Had that been Edelman, Lafell, Wayne, Amendola or pretty much any other recent Patriots receiver not named Dobson or Thompkins, the same people defending the receiver on this play would be acknowledging that the receiver was at fault. I can just imagine the board if that had been Ochocinco on that play...

In the end, the "It's not Dobson" crowd is just falling victim to their out-of-whack expectations of the players involved, which is the same thing that happened with the Welker drop.

Dobson should have had the ball, but he didn't get it. That sucks. What really sucks though, and the reason this is still being talked about, is that he was so thoroughly outplayed on that throw that he turned a big gain reception into an interception.

mikey m · Aug 30, 2015

Deus Irae said:
You're confusing "not perfect" with "bad". This is getting to be like the Welker drop discussion.

The only way that throw was anything but bad is if the route was supposed to be a curl rather than a post. Aside from the fact that welker was all by himself, ya its almost similar.

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