Keep Revis and pay the $20M

Can the Patriot keep Revis out of the free agent market and pay the $12.5 M bonus on 1 April? This would allow them to use this year as a base for a long term contract (guarantee 2015 and add 4 more years with a total of $50 + guaranteed)?

Can the Patriot keep Revis out of the free agent market and pay the $12.5 M bonus on 1 April? This would allow them to use this year as a base for a long term contract extension (guarantee 2015 and add 4 more years with a total of $50 + guaranteed)?

Will not happen. Not only are there cap issues, it sours the entire relationship.

No

Mark Morse said:

Can the Patriot keep Revis out of the free agent market and pay the $12.5 M bonus on 1 April? This would allow them to use this year as a base for a long term contract extension (guarantee 2015 and add 4 more years with a total of $50 + guaranteed)?

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Answer to sentence 1 - Yes
Answer to sentence 2 - No

There would be zero interest for Revis to play for us beyond 2015. His $20M would be adequate pay for a one year deal.
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Hey aren't keeping revis to the 20 mil and taking a 25 million dollar cap hit

not really

first of all, I've read they had some kind of handshake deal that the option wouldn't be picked up, and secondly, it's just too big a fig.
it means we'd have to shed more cap just to get street legal, and we'd be locked out of fa --- it's just too big a figure

Can they pay 12m and then trade him for a bunch of picks?

Oswlek said:

Will not happen. Not only are there cap issues, it sours the entire relationship.

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We all assume that the Pats find it undesirable to have a $25m cap hit. Let's separate that out for a moment.

I'm trying to put myself in Revis's shoes.

I'm 30 years old. I have a current contract that is scheduled to pay me $20m for the defending SB champs. Ideally, I'd like $30-$40m guaranteed but in this scenario, if I have another All-Pro year I could get a 2-3 year/$35m w/ $20m guaranteed next year.

My point: I wouldn't complain too much about staying in NE in 2015 under the current deal.

Do the Pats want Revis to sign with the Jets after they tampered with him. If they can't sign him long term, the only smart thing is to bite the bullet and pick up the option.

flasox27 said:

Do the Pats want Revis to sign with the Jets after they tampered with him. If they can't sign him long term, the only smart thing is to bite the bullet and pick up the option.

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That's what I was thinking. It kind of serves as an extra costly franchise tag. If you can't agree on terms before that date why take the chance he leaves? Plus they would get a third round comp pick for him.
That said I think there's very little chance that happens. There may have been a handshake deal and Kraft prob won't like the economics of that deal,

Gronkandez said:

That's what I was thinking. It kind of serves as an extra costly franchise tag. If you can't agree on terms before that date why take the chance he leaves? Plus they would get a third round comp pick for him.
That said I think there's very little chance that happens. There may have been a handshake deal and Kraft prob won't like the economics of that deal,

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The bottom line is that Revis is the key to the defense and all the other players like McCouty no matter how good are complementary and replaceable. Given Brady's window, IMO we have to go all in again next year and that means keeping Revis even at $25 million cap charge.

flasox27 said:

The bottom line is that Revis is the key to the defense and all the other players like McCouty no matter how good are complementary and replaceable. Given Brady's window, IMO we have to go all in again next year and that means keeping Revis even at $25 million cap charge.

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I don't like Go All In because there are so many factors outside of the quality of the 53 that determine the SB winner

* Team injuries & health: we've seen injuries devastate prior Pats quests and the flu derail the D in the 2006 AFCCG
* Bounces of the (not round) ball: everyone remembers 3 SB catches that ALMOST cost us 3 rings
* Pathological match-ups: sometimes a team faces another perhaps less talented team that is just kryptonite to it's players & style - some Jints SBs come to mind
* Luck: good fortune or bad. Most have forgotten fortuitous plays (unconscious almost out of bounds Patten catch) that drove previous Pats Ws

Obviously the most controllable factor to winning a SB is the selection of your 53 but my point is that other factors can and DO totally derail the best plans

One problem with so many Revis threads is that I have to repeat myself
http://www.patsfans.com/salary-cap/?p=1476
In effect, Patriots have two Revis-related deadlines (4PM March 9th to pick up $12M option, 4PM March 31st to convert roster bonus into signing bonus)

I just wish that Miguel would stop spamming this forum with facts

Miguel said:

One problem with so many Revis threads is that I have to repeat myself
http://www.patsfans.com/salary-cap/?p=1476
In effect, Patriots have two Revis-related deadlines (4PM March 9th to pick up $12M option, 4PM March 31st to convert roster bonus into signing bonus)

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Yes but it seems to me that the 3/31 date is relevant as long as the sides have hammered out the framework for a deal and there isn't any acrimony between the two parties.

Miguel said:

One problem with so many Revis threads is that I have to repeat myself
http://www.patsfans.com/salary-cap/?p=1476
In effect, Patriots have two Revis-related deadlines (4PM March 9th to pick up $12M option, 4PM March 31st to convert roster bonus into signing bonus)

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Miguel, one question I had was about the 5 million dollar cap hit that is on this years cap for Revis.

Is it irrelevant whether Revis is cut or if he is extended without being cut? Is there no way to make that part of his new contract?

Thanks for all you do

robertweathers said:

We all assume that the Pats find it undesirable to have a $25m cap hit. Let's separate that out for a moment.

I'm trying to put myself in Revis's shoes.

I'm 30 years old. I have a current contract that is scheduled to pay me $20m for the defending SB champs. Ideally, I'd like $30-$40m guaranteed but in this scenario, if I have another All-Pro year I could get a 2-3 year/$35m w/ $20m guaranteed next year.

My point: I wouldn't complain too much about staying in NE in 2015 under the current deal.

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You and I wouldn't, but I think we can take it as fact that Revis wouldn't be pleased that NE went back on their word.

Oswlek said:

You and I wouldn't, but I think we can take it as fact that Revis wouldn't be pleased that NE went back on their word.

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What was their word? Did the promise him something?

PatsWickedPissah said:

I don't like Go All In because there are so many factors outside of the quality of the 53 that determine the SB winner

* Team injuries & health: we've seen injuries devastate prior Pats quests and the flu derail the D in the 2006 AFCCG
* Bounces of the (not round) ball: everyone remembers 3 SB catches that ALMOST cost us 3 rings
* Pathological match-ups: sometimes a team faces another perhaps less talented team that is just kryptonite to it's players & style - some Jints SBs come to mind
* Luck: good fortune or bad. Most have forgotten fortuitous plays (unconscious almost out of bounds Patten catch) that drove previous Pats Ws

Obviously the most controllable factor to winning a SB is the selection of your 53 but my point is that other factors can and DO totally derail the best plans

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I don't disagree with your statements but I don't think we get to the point where your factors matter without having Revis or an equivalent as the shutdown cornerback. Consider the fact that in the two supebowls we lost, a cornerback like Ty Law or Revis instead of the mediocre cornerbacks we had out there would have made the difference.