Bold Statement: 2014 receiving corps is the best in franchise history

1. I guess agree to disagree. Google greatest offenses in nfl history..and i guarantee you 07 is on the rankings if not listed as #1. 14 will not be in that discussion by the general public/media, ever. No one besides you knows what they're talking about though.

2. Baltimore secondary ranked #22, between jags and washington. Stop cherry picking the steelers game..they lost bell, their best offensive player, the week before the game. Go on a ravens forum and ask, they'll tell you, it was a patchwork secondary all year.
Seattle's guys are in doubt for the start of next season, several may undergo surgery. Chancellor MCL, Earl Thomas torn labrum in shoulder, Sherman basically playing w one arm. These aren't regular bruises and strains that we expect players to tough out. That is a big part of why the 4th quarter looked so easy.

3. Using superbowl results is just silly as they are irrelevant. It fell on the defense to stop a 2 minute offense both times. Both offenses put their defenses in the exact same situation. If Tyree doesn't make the circus catch and lynch runs it in from the 1, we win '07 and lose '14, which would change absolutely nothing in terms of which offense was better or more clutch.

I actually love the 2014 offense and I'm firmly on the Edelman bandwagon so I am done with this thread.
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Welka_fan said:

1. I guess agree to disagree. Google greatest offenses in nfl history..and i guarantee you 07 is on the rankings if not listed as #1. 14 will not be in that discussion by the general public/media, ever. No one besides you knows what they're talking about though.

2. Baltimore secondary ranked #22, between jags and washington. Stop cherry picking the steelers game..they lost bell, their best offensive player, the week before the game. Go on a ravens forum and ask, they'll tell you, it was a patchwork secondary all year.
Seattle's guys are in doubt for the start of next season, several may undergo surgery. Chancellor MCL, Earl Thomas torn labrum in shoulder, Sherman basically playing w one arm. These aren't regular bruises and strains that we expect players to tough out. That is a big part of why the 4th quarter looked so easy.

3. Using superbowl results is just silly as they are irrelevant. It fell on the defense to stop a 2 minute offense both times. Both offenses put their defenses in the exact same situation. If Tyree doesn't make the circus catch and lynch runs it in from the 1, we win '07 and lose '14, which would change absolutely nothing in terms of which offense was better or more clutch.

I actually love the 2014 offense and I'm firmly on the Edelman bandwagon so I am done with this thread.
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1. There are people who have Peyton Manning ranked as the best QB of all-time. That doesn't make it true. We know better than that.

2. We ranked 17th in terms of pass yards allowed per game. I guess our secondary wasn't very good either based on that ranking, right? They had a ferocious front 7. The reason we were able to neutralize the pass rush is due to all of the quick passes (because our speedy receivers were able to get open) and those passes would turn into huge gains as a result of high YAC.

Sherman wasn't even targeted. He was great in coverage. Thomas was reneder irrelevant for the most part because we didn't attack them deep. He was still an effective tackler that game, and even against GB after his injury. Chancellor moved well and played like his usual self. Had some monstrous hits, including on Edelman on that 3rd and 14 play. The receivers were exceptional in this game as well.

3. I'm not using only SB results. But this nonsense about the offense doing its job in SB42 needs to stop. They scored 14 points. Yes, the defense failed to make the play in the clutch, but the offense shouldn't have put them in a position to even have to make that play. How many SBs in recent history have been won by teams that have scored an embarrassing 14 points?

These are the same excuses Manning ball washers make. "The kicker missed a FG." "The defense failed to make a stop." "Injuries." Go start a thread about Manning's postseason record on a Denver or Indy forum and you'll see the exact same excuses word for word.

It's shocking and appalling that some Pats fans make the same excuses. I'm embarrassed that i associate with some of you.

FourierSeries said:

Most of the people in this thread knew what I meant.

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Yes, once you explained what you meant ~ as opposed to what you wrote ~ then they understood.

Of course they were two completely different statements: A Passing Offense and a Receiving Corps are two different things. I expect that even you understand that, but simply lack the Courage to admit it.

Keep prattling on, though. Eventually, you'll bore the lot'f us and get the last word.

Whether or not anyone actually bothers to read it is another matter.

Time for your Time Out. Ignored.

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Edelman was battling a hip injury at the end of the season, he and Amendola likely both sustained concussions in the SB, Stork missed a game and a half due to a knee injury and wasn't 100% against Seattle.

I remember Neal being injured in 2007 but he started all playoff games. Brady had an ankle sprain and was in a walking boot for a couple of days but seemed fine after that. There was no noticeable limp. He wasn't hobbling around like Rodgers was this year.

All teams are beat up at the end of the season. These excuses are starting to become dangerously similar to the ones Peyton defenders use to down play his playoff record.

The facts:
1. That offense performed worse than the 2014 offense against top defenses (regular season + playoffs)
2. That team's passing offense was atrocious in the postseason while 2014's was incredible and pretty much unstoppable
3. That team failed to win a championship

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How is it that I'm still waiting on those quotes?

Literally not one person has agreed with this kid.

glm said:

How is it that I'm still waiting on those quotes?

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What quotes, kiddo?

FourierSeries said:

What quotes, kiddo?

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I said this:

How in the hell do you ignore this YET AGAIN:

You conveniently ignored, for like the 5th time, that your argument has no context. You haven't even commented on how Brady playing at his absolute peak was playing with a sprained ankle AND the offense line was not protecting him. If the quarterback can't get the ball out, or makes a horrible throw due to pressure then the receiver isn't catching the ball. Bottom line.

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Until you actually address this, this argument is over.

It's no coincidence that the Patriots offense dropped off a fricken cliff once TOM BRADY got injured.

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You said:

FourierSeries said:

I didn't ignore this. I addressed this multiple times.

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Then I said:

glm said:

Oh really? Please quote when you addressed it.

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And here I am, still waiting.

glm said:

I said this:




You said:



Then I said:



And here I am, still waiting.

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I don't know if your reading comprehension isn't up to par or if you're being purposely obtuse, but I've addressed this multiple times. Even within the last couple of pages.

Gronkowski123 said:

07 randy > all of our wr's.

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that should really be 07 randy > all anyone's Wr's. Easily the best season by a WR in the history of the game

Russ Francis, Stanley Morgan, Daryl Stingley/Harold Jackson, Sam Cunningham/Don Calhoun, Andy Johnson and Don Hasselbeck. Really good receiving team, late 1970s.

glm said:

Oh really? Please quote when you addressed it.

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FourierSeries said:

I don't know if your reading comprehension isn't up to par or if you're being purposely obtuse, but I've addressed this multiple times. Even within the last couple of pages.

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Then it should be easy for you to quote them.

Still waiting.

It's funny, as mentioned before in this thread, by this dude's logic the absolutely horrendous 2011 secondary is much much better than the awesome 2014 secondary. Hoooooooomer.

upstater1 said:

Russ Francis, Stanley Morgan, Daryl Stingley/Harold Jackson, Sam Cunningham/Don Calhoun, Andy Johnson and Don Hasselbeck. Really good receiving team, late 1970s.

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I like Grogan as much as the next guy... but imagine that crew with Brady at QB. I mean before the unfortunate Jack Tatum incident, of course, in Stingley's case.

fresnostatealum said:

It's funny, as mentioned before in this thread, by this dude's logic the absolutely horrendous 2011 secondary is much much better than the awesome 2014 secondary. Hoooooooomer.

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Really?

2011 passing yards allowed per game in postseason: 224
2011 QB rating in postseason: 87.8

2014 passing yards allowed per game in postseason: 217.3
2014 QB rating in postseason: 73.0

By no measure is the 2011 secondary better.

In addition to the aforementioned stats, the 2014 secondary made some clutch plays that sealed victories.

These arguments are getting worse and worse. I am now more convinced than ever that my initial claim was correct.

FourierSeries said:

These arguments are getting worse and worse. I am now more convinced than ever that my initial claim was correct.

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Must be. Ok....lets put your money where your mouth is. We will put up a poll. Simple.

Which Receiving group was better all time: 2014 VS 2007

You win, I get a vacation from the board

You lose, you get the vacation

FourierSeries said:

Really?

2011 passing yards allowed per game in postseason: 224
2011 QB rating in postseason: 87.8

2014 passing yards allowed per game in postseason: 217.3
2014 QB rating in postseason: 73.0

By no measure is the 2011 secondary better.

In addition to the aforementioned stats, the 2014 secondary made some clutch plays that sealed victories.

These arguments are getting worse and worse. I am now more convinced than ever that my initial claim was correct.

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Points per game.


You keep pointing out the 14 points the 2007 team scored in te Super Bowl, don't you?

Stanley Morgan, with today's rules and Brady as QB would be one of greatest WR in NFL.

Some of our WR cores have been absolute garbage. I'm still laughing at 2006

Bruins29 said:

Must be. Ok....lets put your money where your mouth is. We will put up a poll. Simple.

Which Receiving group was better all time: 2014 VS 2007

You win, I get a vacation from the board

You lose, you get the vacation

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The majority isn't always right. You could go to an Indy or Denver board and the majority would claim that Manning > Brady. You could go to a lot of other boards and the majority may think Denver 2013 offense > Pats 2007 offense.

When the facts are laid out though, the 2014 offense (without much of a running game) outperformed the much more balanced 2007 offense against top 10 defenses when you consider both regular season + postseason. When you consider only the postseason, the difference in passing yards per game and points scored isn't even close.

fresnostatealum said:

Points per game.


You keep pointing out the 14 points the 2007 team scored in te Super Bowl, don't you?

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Actually, earlier in the thread I posted the passing yards per game stats for both postseasons. 2014 passing game accumulated nearly 100 yards per game more than the 2007 passing game. 2014 postseason offense was nearly all on the passing game.