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Adam Carriker private workout

:rocker: According to Albert Breer. The Pats have scheduled a private workout for DL Adam Carriker on March 20.
I always felt that this guy could be the next RS. They would probably have to trade up using both #1's to get this guy. I think it would be worth it personally. Plus TW is going to be a UFA next year.
 
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:rocker: According to Albert Breer. The Pats have scheduled a private workout for DL Adam Carriker on March 20.
I always felt that this guy could be the next RS. They would probably have to trade up using both #1's to get this guy. I think it would be worth it personally. Plus TW is going to be a UFA next year.

Ty Warren is signed through 2008, so he'll be a UFA in 2009, not 2008.

I would draft Carriker but I wouldn't give up both first rounders for him. Both first rounders for a DE, who's only prospect is at DE? He can't play OLB, and would be a backup to Warren, and Seymour for at least two years....

I would draft him at 24 if he fell, and maybe throw in a late round pick to move up a few spots for him, but that's it. I'm a Nebraska fan so I probably like him more than most of you, but I wouldn't make that trade.

If you're going to give up both first rounders do it for someone like Landry, or Willis.
 
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Ty Warren is signed through 2008, so he'll be a UFA in 2009, not 2008.

I would draft Carriker but I wouldn't give up both first rounders for him. Both first rounders for a DE, who's only prospect is at DE? He can't play OLB, and would be a backup to Warren, and Seymour for at least two years....

I would draft him at 24 if he fell, and maybe throw in a late round pick to move up a few spots for him, but that's it. I'm a Nebraska fan so I probably like him more than most of you, but I wouldn't make that trade.

If you're going to give up both first rounders do it for someone like Landry, or Willis.
Depending on who drafts Carriker, he may indeed be able to play OLB in a 3-4. His short shuttle and 3-cone compare very well with true LBs 50-60 pounds lighter. He ran 4.75 at his Pro-day after dropping 5 lbs, who knows if another 10 or so wouldn't let him do it consistently? 6'6" 290-ish with his change of direction speed is an elite OLB prospect who could easily be converted back to 3-4 DE if he didn't pan out - nice to have a solid fallback position on a LB conversion project. If it was my call, I'd have him do some LB drills in that private workout and ask him to crunch some tape with me from a LB perspective.
 
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Depending on who drafts Carriker, he may indeed be able to play OLB in a 3-4. His short shuttle and 3-cone compare very well with true LBs 50-60 pounds lighter. He ran 4.75 at his Pro-day after dropping 5 lbs, who knows if another 10 or so wouldn't let him do it consistently? 6'6" 290-ish with his change of direction speed is an elite OLB prospect who could easily be converted back to 3-4 DE if he didn't pan out - nice to have a solid fallback position on a LB conversion project. If it was my call, I'd have him do some LB drills in that private workout and ask him to crunch some tape with me from a LB perspective.

a 300 lb OLB? your crazy
 
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a 300 lb OLB? your crazy
LOL, he would be the ultimate strong side OLB although I don't see that happening. Like others I wouldn't trade two #1s for him. I can see Belichick being intrigued by having a guy who could play DE if Seymour or Warren got hurt - also imagine this 4-3 at times :

Carriker-Warren-Seymour-Green.

Yowza.
 
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Depending on who drafts Carriker, he may indeed be able to play OLB in a 3-4. His short shuttle and 3-cone compare very well with true LBs 50-60 pounds lighter. He ran 4.75 at his Pro-day after dropping 5 lbs, who knows if another 10 or so wouldn't let him do it consistently? 6'6" 290-ish with his change of direction speed is an elite OLB prospect who could easily be converted back to 3-4 DE if he didn't pan out - nice to have a solid fallback position on a LB conversion project. If it was my call, I'd have him do some LB drills in that private workout and ask him to crunch some tape with me from a LB perspective.

Sounds like the Klecko at ILB experiement, highly unlikely the Patriots get Carriker but if we did he would play DE (period). Maybe he drops back into coverage once or twice a season as part of zone blitz but this post is a clear indication that we are all a little too bored with the offseason.
 
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FS Reggie Nelson - PW
OLB Earl Everett - PW
DE Anthony Spencer - INTV
FS Brandon Meriweather - W
ILB Jon Beason - PW
RB Steve Baylark - PW
WR Chris Davis - PW
OLB Lawrence Timmons - PW
CB Usama Young - PW
DE Adam Carriker - W
DE Jay Moore - W
OLB Stewart Bradley - W
OT Joe Staley - PW

I like every player on the list, at various value points.
 
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Sounds like the Klecko at ILB experiement, highly unlikely the Patriots get Carriker but if we did he would play DE (period). Maybe he drops back into coverage once or twice a season as part of zone blitz but this post is a clear indication that we are all a little too bored with the offseason.
Party pooper.
 
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Party pooper.

You are right, if Thomas can play Safety and line up on the outside against Chad Johnson why can't Carriker play OLB?
 
I don't think the Pats are going to kill their draft for one player.

While it's true we may need a replacement for Warren after the

2008 season, we will probably need replacements for Tedy Bruschi,

Rodney Harrison, and Eugene Wilson after the 2007 season.
 
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Depending on who drafts Carriker, he may indeed be able to play OLB in a 3-4. His short shuttle and 3-cone compare very well with true LBs 50-60 pounds lighter. He ran 4.75 at his Pro-day after dropping 5 lbs, who knows if another 10 or so wouldn't let him do it consistently? 6'6" 290-ish with his change of direction speed is an elite OLB prospect who could easily be converted back to 3-4 DE if he didn't pan out - nice to have a solid fallback position on a LB conversion project. If it was my call, I'd have him do some LB drills in that private workout and ask him to crunch some tape with me from a LB perspective.

He's to tall to play at 260-270 (in order to be effective in pass coverage), and still be stout at the point of attack. Really his core/trunk isn't all that bulky to begin with. He's just a big guy, so I don't see loosing weight as a good idea for him. If anything he should play DE, and either stay at his current weight, or gain 20lbs.

Carriker2.jpg


I also hope nobody want's to make an ILB conversion out of him.
 
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He's to tall to play at 260-270 (in order to be effective in pass coverage), and still be stout at the point of attack. Really his core/trunk isn't all that bulky to begin with. He's just a big guy, so I don't see loosing weight as a good idea for him. If anything he should play DE, and either stay at his current weight, or gain 20lbs.

Carriker2.jpg


I also hope nobody want's to make an ILB conversion out of him.
He's an inch taller then Willie who was listed at 270. At 296 he put up a better short shuttle than Posluszney (238) and a better 3-cone than Willis (242), he's better than Gaines Adams (258) and Anthony Spencer (261) in both categories. If he can run a 4.7-ish at his Pro-day, then I see no reason Woicik & Nash couldn't help him maintain his weight in the 280-285 range and translate those test scores more effectively to the playing field. Unlike the Klecko reference above, he would have a "natural" position to move to at DE if he was to be tested and fail at OLB. On the positive vision side, picture a FB or TE trying to block him on the edge...

As for pooling picks and moving up, it seems the only way he would be drafted by the Pats. I would debate those who say he isn't worth drafting that high by noting the comparison to #6 (2001) overall Richard Seymour as a DE, and the chance he might become another McGinest #4 (1994) overall. With the draft value chart equivalent of #8 sitting in those two 1st round picks, Carriker isn't over-valued in that sense. Whether pooling the two picks and moving up "this year" is the best value is a matter of opinion (and our's doesn't matter), so we can cheerfully speculate and cringe to our hearts content. :p

EDIT: I'm catching up on my DVR workload and just watched NFL Network's Path To The Draft with Mike Mayock discussing DL: he showed game tape of Carriker dropping into coverage in a zone blitz and making a nice open field tackle on a scrambling QB. The more I learn about this kid, the more I see to say he has the talent to make the transition to 3-4 OLB. Mayock described Carriker as the DL with the best hands in the draft, that will translate well to 3-4 DE or OLB.
 
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He's an inch taller then Willie who was listed at 270. At 296 he put up a better short shuttle than Posluszney (238) and a better 3-cone than Willis (242), he's better than Gaines Adams (258) and Anthony Spencer (261) in both categories. If he can run a 4.7-ish at his Pro-day, then I see no reason Woicik & Nash couldn't help him maintain his weight in the 280-285 range and translate those test scores more effectively to the playing field. Unlike the Klecko reference above, he would have a "natural" position to move to at DE if he was to be tested and fail at OLB. On the positive vision side, picture a FB or TE trying to block him on the edge...

As for pooling picks and moving up, it seems the only way he would be drafted by the Pats. I would debate those who say he isn't worth drafting that high by noting the comparison to #6 (2001) overall Richard Seymour as a DE, and the chance he might become another McGinest #4 (1994) overall. With the draft value chart equivalent of #8 sitting in those two 1st round picks, Carriker isn't over-valued in that sense. Whether pooling the two picks and moving up "this year" is the best value is a matter of opinion (and our's doesn't matter), so we can cheerfully speculate and cringe to our hearts content. :p

EDIT: I'm catching up on my DVR workload and just watched NFL Network's Path To The Draft with Mike Mayock discussing DL: he showed game tape of Carriker dropping into coverage in a zone blitz and making a nice open field tackle on a scrambling QB. The more I learn about this kid, the more I see to say he has the talent to make the transition to 3-4 OLB. Mayock described Carriker as the DL with the best hands in the draft, that will translate well to 3-4 DE or OLB.

So you think he is on Seymour's or Willy Mac's level? You would trade up to 8th overall to take someone who will be a backup at DE, or a project at OLB? He isn't even expected to go that high. Really the likely hood of him falling to 20-24 is more likely than him going in the top 10.
 
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So you think he is on Seymour's or Willy Mac's level? You would trade up to 8th overall to take someone who will be a backup at DE, or a project at OLB? He isn't even expected to go that high. Really the likely hood of him falling to 20-24 is more likely than him going in the top 10.
If he drops great. I don't expect to get him, but my assessment is that he is the best first round value for the Patriots' system, if BB wants him it will cost.
 
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If he drops great. I don't expect to get him, but my assessment is that he is the best first round value for the Patriots' system, if BB wants him it will cost.

Trading 24 and 28 for 16 and 47 sounds good, and Willis, Carriker, or Nelson could still be available. Once NE get's 16 if they think someone they wan't might go at 14-15 they could use a 6th rounder to trade up a spot, or two (they did this to get Warren by trading up from 14 to 13 with a sixth rounder).
 
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its 1 thing if a guy tests well..just because u do well on speed/agility doesnt mean your going to have that on the field. your playing with pads and some people its natural.

theres al ot of people who got out tested at combine/pro day by someone of a different position yet they come out as much better players.

Carriker at OLB/ILB would not work..hes a DE..hes like Seymour.

i dont understand why everyone wants Carriker all of a sudden..is Seymour/Warren/Green not good enough?
 
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its 1 thing if a guy tests well..just because u do well on speed/agility doesnt mean your going to have that on the field. your playing with pads and some people its natural.

theres al ot of people who got out tested at combine/pro day by someone of a different position yet they come out as much better players.

Carriker at OLB/ILB would not work..hes a DE..hes like Seymour.

i dont understand why everyone wants Carriker all of a sudden..is Seymour/Warren/Green not good enough?

I don't really wan't him that much compared to Willis, Landry, and a few others, but I had to throw his name in there for the people who do wan't him. Basically to show what you could get with the trade I mentioned.
 
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Updated by position...

RB Steve Baylark - PW
RB Lorenzo Booker - PW
WR Chris Davis - PW
OT Joe Staley - PW
CB Usama Young - PW
FS Reggie Nelson - PW
FS Brandon Meriweather - W
ILB Jon Beason - PW
OLB Lawrence Timmons - PW
OLB Earl Everett - PW
OLB Stewart Bradley - W
DE Adam Carriker - W
DE Jay Moore - W
DE Anthony Spencer - INTV
 
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RB Steve Baylark - PW
RB Lorenzo Booker - PW
WR Chris Davis - PW
OT Joe Staley - PW
CB Usama Young - PW
FS Reggie Nelson - PW
FS Brandon Meriweather - W
ILB Jon Beason - PW
OLB Lawrence Timmons - PW
OLB Earl Everett - PW
OLB Stewart Bradley - W
DE Adam Carriker - W
DE Jay Moore - W
DE Anthony Spencer - INTV

Add Courtney Taylor, and four more to that list....

LaMarr Woodley, David Harris, Leon Hall, and Rufus Alexander.

"According to agent Joel Segal, the Patriots have taken a serious liking to Auburn receiver Courtney Taylor and will send new receivers coach Nick Caserio to The Plains next week for a private workout."

"The Patriots, by all indications, came away impressed from Michigan’s Pro Day on Friday. So much so that team officials will take a second trip to Ann Arbor a week from today to work out top prospects LaMarr Woodley, Leon Hall and David Harris privately."

"Meanwhile, the Patriots put Oklahoma LB Rufus Alexander through a private workout on the Norman campus today."

So thats:
RB Lorenzo Booker - PW
WR Chris Davis - PW
OT Joe Staley - PW
CB Usama Young - PW
FS Reggie Nelson - PW
FS Brandon Meriweather - W
ILB Jon Beason - PW
OLB Lawrence Timmons - PW
OLB Earl Everett - PW
OLB Stewart Bradley - W
DE Adam Carriker - W
DE Jay Moore - W
DE Anthony Spencer - INTV
WR Courtney Taylor - PW
LB Rufus Alexander - PW
DE/OLB LaMarr Woodley - W
CB Leon Hall - W
LB David Harris - W
 
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