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Thanks to everyone for posting results today. I had to work so couldn't watch the combines, but it's great reading the post, especially about the tight ends. I really can't wait for the d-line. Does anybody know if they go tomorrow or Monday?

manxman2601 said:

I agree on the film but even there he's a clear end zone threat and chain mover. If his athleticism says that he can be more then I think a small push up the board is warranted. Will he be Jimmy Graham? No. Is he too similar to Gronk? Probably, and they are all reasons to temper a dramatic increase in stock from a Pats perspective. But even so, his numbers were excellent and surprising and if nothing else, fair play to him.

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I applaud your even-mindedness, and I agree that he deserves credit for performing well.

Without specific reference to Fiedorowicz, this is the age-old Combine dilemma: prospect A runs/tests poorly relative to his film, and prospect B runs/tests well relative to his film. What do you do? Definitely revisit the film, but if your first impression holds, what do you do? There could be all kinds of explaining factors for either result - injuries, rapid weight loss/gain, changes in system or scheme, etc. - but ultimately it's a bit of a guessing match.

ashley1992 said:

Thanks to everyone for posting results today. I had to work so couldn't watch the combines, but it's great reading the post, especially about the tight ends. I really can't wait for the d-line. Does anybody know if they go tomorrow or Monday?

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DL does the bench press tomorrow, then drills and tests on Monday. Tomorrow is the WRs, RBs and QBs. DBs arrive tomorrow for their weigh-ins.

mayoclinic said:

Per Tony Pauline, ASJ didn't run because of a foot fracture.

I'll be thrilled if Kyle Fiedorowicz is the "new ASJ" and ASJ slips.

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Ben Volin's twitter response to Tony Pauline's tweet about ASJ having a foot fracture:

BB one guy that won't be scared off, esp if he slides to where value is too good to pass up.

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ASJ at 62 would be fine with me.

See also:

http://nesn.com/2014/02/nfl-combine...-austin-seferian-jenkins-have-most-at-stake/

I would be thrilled if we could land Fiedorowicz in the 2nd and Burton in the 6th...thrilled.

Especially if we were able to draft Stepen Tuitt, Rashede Hageman, Zack Martin, Louis Nix, or Calvin Pryor at #29.

mayoclinic said:

DL does the bench press tomorrow, then drills and tests on Monday. Tomorrow is the WRs, RBs and QBs. DBs arrive tomorrow for their weigh-ins.

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Thanks Mayo Definitely appreciate all the write ups you and everyone else does on this board!!! I feel that since I've joined, I've already learned so much.

Elijah T. said:

I would be thrilled if we could land Fiedorowicz in the 2nd and Burton in the 6th...thrilled.

Especially if we were able to draft Stepen Tuitt, Rashede Hageman, Zack Martin, Louis Nix, or Calvin Pryor at #29.

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Substitute ASJ (drops because of foot fracture) and I'm all for it:

- Trade 29 to SF for 56 and 61, unless Aaron Donald is on the board
56. Dominique Easley, DT.
- Trade 61 for a high 3rd and a 5th
62. ASJ (drops because of foot fracture).
3a. Marcus Martin or Christian Jones, LB
93. Joel Bitonio, Weston Richburg or Marcus Martin, interior OL
4. Antone Exum, DB. SS opposite McCourty who can both hit and cover.
5. Justin Ellis, DT.
6a. Tyler Starr, LB. More speed and explosiveness at the second level.
6b. Big DB: Aaron Colvin, Dontae Johnson or Jonathan Dowling
6 (comp). One of the Trey's: Bruton or Millard.
7. Moon shot on a guy like Chris Boyd or Colt Lyerla.

Elijah T. said:

I would be thrilled if we could land Fiedorowicz in the 2nd and Burton in the 6th...thrilled.

Especially if we were able to draft Stepen Tuitt, Rashede Hageman, Zack Martin, Louis Nix, or Calvin Pryor at #29.

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Fiedorowicz is incredibly pedestrian. Do not want him, personally.

ashley1992 said:

Thanks Mayo Definitely appreciate all the write ups you and everyone else does on this board!!! I feel that since I've joined, I've already learned so much.

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It's basically a 3-day event for each group, staggered over 6 days:

- Day 1-3 (Thurs-Sat): OL, TE and specialists. They finish today.
- Day 2-4 (Fri-Sun): QB, RB, WR. They finish tomorrow.
- Day 3-5 (Sat-Mon): DL and LB.
- Day 4-6 (Sun-Tues): DB.

Each 3-day consists of weigh-ins and public interviews Day 1, bench press and private interviews day 2, and workouts and drills day 3.

KontradictioN said:

Fiedorowicz is incredibly pedestrian. Do not want him, personally.

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Who do you prefer? I know you like Pryor at safety with our first pick but that's not happening now unfortunately....are you still thinking defense with the first pick and going tight end later?

mayoclinic said:

Ben Volin's twitter response to Tony Pauline's tweet about ASJ having a foot fracture:



ASJ at 62 would be fine with me.

See also:

NFL Combine Live: Tight End Austin Seferian-Jenkins Reportedly Has Broken Foot | NFL Draft | NESN.com

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Just under 6 weeks until his pro-day :ugh:

mayoclinic said:

Substitute ASJ (drops because of foot fracture) and I'm all for it:

- Trade 29 to SF for 56 and 61, unless Aaron Donald is on the board
56. Dominique Easley, DT.
- Trade 61 for a high 3rd and a 5th
62. ASJ (drops because of foot fracture).
3a. Marcus Martin or Christian Jones, LB
93. Joel Bitonio, Weston Richburg or Marcus Martin, interior OL
4. Antone Exum, DB. SS opposite McCourty who can both hit and cover.
5. Justin Ellis, DT.
6a. Tyler Starr, LB. More speed and explosiveness at the second level.
6b. Big DB: Aaron Colvin, Dontae Johnson or Jonathan Dowling
6 (comp). One of the Trey's: Bruton or Millard.
7. Moon shot on a guy like Chris Boyd or Colt Lyerla.

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I wouldn't have the patience to wait on Bitonio until 93 but I might on ASJ now, especially if he's going to be a year one redshirt.

KontradictioN said:

Fiedorowicz is incredibly pedestrian. Do not want him, personally.

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7.10 3-cone at 6'7" is nothing pedestrian. He is easily the best blocking TE in this class.

He was getting separation for the short routes that he was running at Iowa
Iowa TE #86 CJ Fiedorowicz Highlights - YouTube

More WR bench press numbers, from Steelers' Depot:

- Cody Latimer: 23
- Jeff Janis: 20
- Michael Campanaro: 20
- Davante Adams: 14
- Mike Evans: 12
- Chris Boyd: 12
- Odell Beckham: 7 (ouch)

2014 NFL Combine Results: Wide Receivers | Steelers Depot

And for the RBs:

- Jerick Mackinnon: 32 (matches Shane Vereen's total from 2011, IIRC)
- Bishop Sankey: 26
- Isaiah Crowell: 23
- Jeremy Hill: 20
- Carlos Hyde: 20
- Dri Archer: 20
- Ka'deem Carey: 19
- Terrance West: 16
- Andre Williams: 16
- De'Anthony Thomas: 8

2014 NFL Combine Results: Running Backs | Steelers Depot

Doug Kyed on Combine winners and losers today:

NFL Combine Saturday Winners And Losers: Taylor Lewan, C.J. Fiedorowicz Impress | NFL Draft | NESN.com

Anyone wonder if BB could take a flier on Cyrus Kouandjio at some point if he does a free fall because of his arthritic knees? Probably as a guard rather than as a tackle (maybe RT). Unlikely, but not out of the question, depending on the Pats' medical eval.

Cody Latimer is growing on me. Lets see how he runs.

mayoclinic said:

Doug Kyed on Combine winners and losers today:

NFL Combine Saturday Winners And Losers: Taylor Lewan, C.J. Fiedorowicz Impress | NFL Draft | NESN.com

Anyone wonder if BB could take a flier on Cyrus Kouandjio at some point if he does a free fall because of his arthritic knees? Probably as a guard rather than as a tackle (maybe RT). Unlikely, but not out of the question, depending on the Pats' medical eval.

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I hope not. Slow as molasses.

manxman2601 said:

I hope not. Slow as molasses.

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Slow as molasses on arthritic knees from a botched surgery, apparently.

Again, I think it's very unlikely. But, just to play Devil's Advocate, could this end up being a situation comparable to Marcus Cannon in 2011? IF (and again, this is purely a hypothetical) the Pats' medical staff felt that Kouandjio could recover significantly if allowed to rest and possibly with treatment (something like hyaluronic acid injections), then if he took a free fall into day 3 like Cannon did in 2011, spending a 5th round pick and giving him time to heal could be something to consider.

FWIW, here's Mackenzie's scouting report on Kouandjio from 2 months ago:

Cyrus Kouandjio Scouting Report - 2014 NFL Draft

He's a bit of a mauler in the DJ Fluker mold who always lacked ideal footwork and is probably more of a "phone booth" kind of guy, but he could be a dominant guard or possibly RT if he recovers somewhat. Give him a red shirt year like the Pats did with Cannon and see what happens. If he drops to day 3, the cost and risk are low.

Again, I'm playing Devil's Advocate, and it's a long, long shot. But I bet BB checks out his medical reports and talks to Saban.

KontradictioN said:

Fiedorowicz is incredibly pedestrian. Do not want him, personally.

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I would prefer Amaro to fall...really feel he's going to be a difference maker, and it's a coin flip between Fiedorowicz and Seferian-Jenkins for me. What I see in Fiedorowicz is a Heath Miller type that immediately strengthens the run game; a reliable outlet intermediate receiver with sure hands who will occasionally stretch the seam with savvy route running and understanding of coverage drops/holes. With Seferian-Jenkins I see a Marcedes Lewis type, who looks the part and is more capable of the dynamic play but seems to be hit or miss when it comes to doing the small things that make a good athlete a good football player.

I wouldn't be mad at either being selected in the 2nd, but would prefer Fiedorowicz's steadiness.