Amendola - Limited w/Groin Injury

I say 12-14 games

supafly said:

I definitely agree with and appreciate the concern with Amendola's health. The worries are warranted in my opinion.

However I also think that some don't understand the difference between the usual "nagging" type of injuries that may point to a play being made of glass, and the types of football accidents that sometimes occur.

We'll have to see which side of the fence Amendola falls on over the course of the next couple of seasons. To be honest I'm hoping that he plays in 14+, but I won't lie and say that the worry is not in the back of my head either.

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:noidea:

Injury prone is injury prone, whether it's bones, ligaments, tendons or anything else people want to point to. By coming out and screaming "Nuh uh!" like a bunch of knee jerking children, the defenders of the faith have made themselves look more foolish than those they're responding to.

borg said:

Glass I Dowling was another"overreaction" ...right?

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No. Is that a quote from you?

More importantly than what our specific opinions are, hopefully if there is anything that is slightly bothering him, he can overcome it with the mini-bye after the week #2 game which occurs one week from tomorrow.

Those 10 days between games may be able to help a bit.

Deus Irae said:

:noidea:

Injury prone is injury prone, whether it's bones, ligaments, tendons or anything else people want to point to.

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You know science exists, right?

JMC00 said:

Which had it happened after 2011 he wouldn't have missed the whole season.

The only difference between Welker tearing his ACL and Amendola dislocating his elbow is Welker did it in the last game of the regular season, Amendola did it in Week 1.


How come no-one talks about how outside of the two freak injuries he has been healthy.

14 games in '09 after being inactive the first two weeks
16 games in '10

Also never missed a game all 4 years of college because of injury.

Dowling on the other hand had been plagued with injuries all the way back to high school.

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Because portraying him as injury prone generates more discussion, clicks, and page views- and it encourages all of the paste eaters to come out and feed on the vats of the stuff delivered by sports media.

Brady_to_Moss said:

Sky isn't falling...it just sucks that he can never stay healthy...ever

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That isn't true either. It is just negative spin.

Rob0729 said:

That isn't true either. It is just negative spin.

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Fine. Amendola never gets hurt.

fnordcircle said:

You know science exists, right?

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Yes. You don't know that language exists, perhaps?

Deus Irae said:

:noidea:

Injury prone is injury prone, whether it's bones, ligaments, tendons or anything else people want to point to. By coming out and screaming "Nuh uh!" like a bunch of knee jerking children, the defenders of the faith have made themselves look more foolish than those they're responding to.

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At this point in time though, I personally would like to see a bigger sample size as I feel that he's somewhat on the fence. We've got 2 seasons where he did fine, and 2 that he suffered injuries in. Even last year he still appeared in 11 games, so I don't think it really points to a worthless season. I think the next couple of seasons will likely answer the question one way or another.

In the meantime, it will continue to be a valid debate no matter what side you choose to take (IMO).

I must admit, this was my first reaction;

Brady_to_Moss said:

Fine. Amendola never gets hurt.

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Never said he never gets hurt. I am saying that he is always injured is incorrect (or as you put it "can never stay healthy"). He has had two injuries his entire NFL career. Both were major injuries, but both were minor. His first two years, he never missed a game due to injuries (he was a healthy inactive for the first two games of his career).

Hernandez was far more injury prone and before he was arrested for murder, there was no talk about him being injury prone. In fact, both Gronk and Hernadez missed more games last year than Amendola.

Deus Irae said:

:noidea:

Injury prone is injury prone, whether it's bones, ligaments, tendons or anything else people want to point to. By coming out and screaming "Nuh uh!" like a bunch of knee jerking children, the defenders of the faith have made themselves look more foolish than those they're responding to.

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This may be true if you want to stretch the meaning of "injury prone" to semi-meaningless levels.

However, there is a substantial clinical difference between chronic and/or nagging injuries that are likely to reappear and those that are more acute in nature.

For reference, here are both injuries for Amendola.

Injury #1

Danny Amendola Elbow Injury - Safe Fall, L.L.C. - YouTube

Does look like he had to jump and reach out for the ball a bit. Wasn't quite on target. Not sure if that caused him to fall or not, but he clearly broke his stride trying to catch the ball. Brady probably would have hit him in stride though and might have avoided the injury.

Injury #2

Danny Amendola hurts shoulder in St. Louis Rams' win - NFL.com

This ball is overthrown a bit. Would have been tough to hit him in stride though with the coverage. Him having to dive for the ball caused him to break his collar bone.


The question is whether Brady throwing these passes to him would have avoided these injuries. Neither pass was that far off, but far enough to make Amendola put himself out there a bit. Brady would more likely thrown a better ball in both cases and hit Amendola in stride. The difference between an elite QB and an average QB on passes like this could be the difference between a season ending injury and nice pick up. Might not have avoided the injury with Brady throwing to him in either case, but odds were far better that Brady hit him in stride in both cases than Bradford.

Deus Irae said:

Yes. You don't know that language exists, perhaps?

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It's just sad to see quite possibly the smartest dude on this forum taking leave of his senses.

Let me violate some HIPAA laws: I have broken a finger playing football. I got tendinitis in my knee in my 20s from too much sitting at a computer. A kid jumped on me from 4 feet above when I was 14 and I tore muscles in my lower back. I got 2 fingers caught in a skil saw while lobstering.

That all happened in the span of 6 years. You could say I was injury prone but then you'd have to explain how one injury had anything to do with the other.

If you can't do that with Amendola then calling him injury prone is being willfully ignorant because you want to be right about how wrong it was to let Wes walk.

"I've sentenced boys younger than you, Danny, to the gas chamber... I owed it to them."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA2NDf9LdDE

Rob0729 said:

Dowling went on the IR two years in a row. Call us when Amendola goes on the IR.

Again, Amendola's problems have never been multiple smaller injuries. He's not injury prone that way. He usually plays through any smaller injury like a groin pull. His injury problems have been major injuries (one that almost literally killed him). A groin injury that limited him in practice is not a major injury.

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I definitely see what you're saying, and then on the other hand there's the fact that the broken clavicle is an injury that pretty much nobody's ever seen on a football field before. Does that mean that he's particularly injury-prone, or particularly unlucky? I have no idea.

BradyFTW! said:

I definitely see what you're saying, and then on the other hand there's the fact that the broken clavicle is an injury that pretty much nobody's ever seen on a football field before. Does that mean that he's particularly injury-prone, or particularly unlucky? I have no idea.

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Are you being sarcastic about no one ever seen a broken clavicle on the football field? It is an injury that happens fairly frequently. Not like every week, but there is usually several a year. Last year, Ryan Matthews, Riley Cooper, and Charles Woodson broke their clavicles along with Amendola. Marquise Colston and Jason Campbell broke their clavicles in 2011. Tony Romo broke his in 2010. Chief rookie Sanders Commings broke his in minicamp this year.

Rob0729 said:

Are you being sarcastic about no one ever seen a broken clavicle on the football field? It is an injury that happens fairly frequently. Not like every week, but there is usually several a year. Last year, Ryan Matthews, Riley Cooper, and Charles Woodson broke their clavicles along with Amendola. Marquise Colston and Jason Campbell broke their clavicles in 2011. Tony Romo broke his in 2010. Chief rookie Sanders Commings broke his in minicamp this year.

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I broke mine snowboarding when i was 18. It sucks becasue they can't put a cast on..just a sling so your arm still gets hit/moves and then you cry in pain. Rehab for my broken ankle was easy compared to my shoulder. Still gives me issues today some days. Never needed screws however