Chat with Tedy Bruschi: the analysis to end all analyses

PP2 · Jan 22, 2013

For me, he hits the nail on the head in all areas that went wrong for us in the AFCC.

He also discusses something that everyone seems to be overlooking, the fact that Pees pull off an outstanding game plan, shutting down the short pass, killing the hurry up offense, and forcing Brady to go outside the numbers.

Sure, it's painful to lose to those trash-talking ghetto Ravens, but we are still in competition, year in and year out.

Chat with Tedy Bruschi

Nordberg · Jan 22, 2013

It's the same God Dam Thing that has hampered this team in all of there losses to smart/tough defenses.

Flood the first 10-15 yards of the field. It's not that tough to figure out.

Keep ignoring the fact we need some to get Brady some down the field outside the numbers wide outs Bill.

It will be the same problem next year.

It's like the Pats offense is running plays at the ten yard line all game. Such a condensed field.

It's starting to piss me off.

Marqui · Jan 22, 2013

Nordberg said:
It's the same God Dam Thing that has hampered this team in all of there losses to smart/tough defenses.

Flood the first 10-15 yards of the field. It's not that tough to figure out.

Keep ignoring the fact we need some to get Brady some down the field outside the numbers wide outs Bill.

It will be the same problem next year.

It's like the Pats offense is running plays at the ten yard line all game. Such a condensed field.

It's starting to piss me off.

You're not wrong, but the Pats had the best down field WR of all time in his prime on 07 and they still got shutdown in the playoffs. There's just no such thing as an unstoppable offense they will blowout all the best defenses in the postseason and win you the SB.

You have to have an impact defense to win in the postseason.

RoughingthePasser · Jan 22, 2013

Thanks for posting...not a big t.v. guy but always love what Rodney and Tedy have to say.....I mentioned in an earlier post the fact that we were going up against Caldwell/Pees...they were ready....we weren't

Tedy
(11:09 AM)

Michael, not enough is said about what Ravens defensive coordinator Dean Pees did in this game. He took away the inside passing game and made Brady beat him outside the numbers and deep. Deep throws to Welker outside the numbers. Brandon Lloyd -- outside passing game. He used his linebackers to take away inside breaking routes. Bernard Pollard was also a part of that. When they tried to implement the hurry-up running game, he threw double-edge pressure on them. Dean Pees was the former Patriots defensive coordinator and he knew what to do against his former team. He had the players to implement the game-plan.

upstater1 · Jan 22, 2013

Nordberg said:
It's the same God Dam Thing that has hampered this team in all of there losses to smart/tough defenses.

Flood the first 10-15 yards of the field. It's not that tough to figure out.

Keep ignoring the fact we need some to get Brady some down the field outside the numbers wide outs Bill.

It will be the same problem next year.

It's like the Pats offense is running plays at the ten yard line all game. Such a condensed field.

It's starting to piss me off.

Those receivers don't grow on trees. Baltimore spent a 1 on theirs, in a year in which the Patriots selected Nate Solder. Then the Patriots went Hightower and Chandler Jones this year.

With Gronk in there, teams simply cannot crowd them the way the Ravens did.

RobertWeathers · Jan 22, 2013

upstater1 said:
With Gronk in there, teams simply cannot crowd them the way the Ravens did.

This cannot be overstated enough.

I also still have faith in the RBs. They are also needed to keep defenses honest and get tough yards.

Need to be able to win in multiple ways..

jmt57 · Jan 22, 2013

I would suggest that the concept of taking away the short and inside passing game of the Patriots is something that is sort of obvious, but is much easier said than done.

On the opposite side of the ball the analogy would be when so many fans of other teams say 'we need to hit Brady in the mouth', or others that are being a bit more sophisticated in their analysis say that the opponent needs to get interior pressure on Brady. Again, it is something that is fairly obvious in terms of what that opponent wants to do, but making that happen is not so simple.

chris_in_sunnyvale · Jan 22, 2013

The strategy of forcing Brady to throw outside and deeper routes also worked well with the windy conditions. Even a 10yd out pattern is a long throw. The longer the ball is in the air, the more opportunity for the wind to wreak havoc on its trajectory.

If short passes were the strategy, but the Ravens were playing coverage at the LOS, the Pats needed to run a bunch of RB flares and other routes where the receiver couldn't be jammed or instantly covered. I was surprised how little they did of this.

Regards,
Chris

reflexblue · Jan 22, 2013

PP2 said:
For me, he hits the nail on the head in all areas that went wrong for us in the AFCC.

He also discusses something that everyone seems to be overlooking, the fact that Pees pull off an outstanding game plan, shutting down the short pass, killing the hurry up offense, and forcing Brady to go outside the numbers.

Sure, it's painful to lose to those trash-talking ghetto Ravens, but we are still in competition, year in and year out.

Chat with Tedy Bruschi

Remember back in '09 a good chunk of this board wanted to run Pees out of town? Ironically it was after the loss to the Ravens. I guess maybe it was the players he had to work with at that time.

jmt57 · Jan 22, 2013

Marqui said:
You're not wrong, but the Pats had the best down field WR of all time in his prime on 07 and they still got shutdown in the playoffs. There's just no such thing as an unstoppable offense they will blowout all the best defenses in the postseason and win you the SB.

You have to have an impact defense to win in the postseason.

By 'win the post-season', I'll go out on a limb and presume that you mean (a) the Super Bowl, and (b) that a good defense is more important than a good offense.

But is that really true in the current NFL?

2011: Giants D ranked 25th in points, 27th in yards
2010: Packers had a strong offense; they needed it, allowing 25 points in SB
2009: Saints had a strong offense; D was 20th in points, 25th in yards
2008: Steelers needed an offense to overcome a D that allowed 23 and 24 points in the playoffs
2007: Giants D ranked 17th in points allowed
2006: Colts had a strong offense; D ranked 23rd in points, 21st in yards

Nordberg · Jan 22, 2013

upstater1 said:
Those receivers don't grow on trees. Baltimore spent a 1 on theirs, in a year in which the Patriots selected Nate Solder. Then the Patriots went Hightower and Chandler Jones this year.

With Gronk in there, teams simply cannot crowd them the way the Ravens did.

I don't disagree with you.

But don't you think it's a bit ass backward to have an offensive system that relies on the TE to stretch the field?

IllegalContact · Jan 22, 2013

upstater1 said:
Those receivers don't grow on trees. Baltimore spent a 1 on theirs, in a year in which the Patriots selected Nate Solder. Then the Patriots went Hightower and Chandler Jones this year.

With Gronk in there, teams simply cannot crowd them the way the Ravens did.

they certainly don't when you draft brandon tate over mike wallace or chad jackson over greg jennings or bethel johnson over *cough* anquan boldin

Nordberg · Jan 22, 2013

The patriots have averaged 15.8 points per game in their last five loses to the Giants, Ravens, and Jets.

When a good DC puts on the film late in the season preparing for the Pats offense he knows better than to bother putting a game plan together that respects anything downfield.

jmt57 · Jan 22, 2013

Nordberg said:
The patriots have averaged 15.8 points per game in their last five loses to the Giants, Ravens, and Jets.

When a good DC puts on the film late in the season preparing for the Pats offense he knows better than to bother putting a game plan together that respects anything downfield.

If the only data you use comes from losses, I would expect that it would not paint a pretty picture - regardless of the statistic you are looking at, or which team.

As far as the 'need a downfield threat' theory goes, how many championships did the Pats win with Randy Moss, and how many did they win without him?

RobertWeathers · Jan 22, 2013

Nordberg said:
The patriots have averaged 15.8 points per game in their last five loses to the Giants, Ravens, and Jets.

When a good DC puts on the film late in the season preparing for the Pats offense he knows better than to bother putting a game plan together that respects anything downfield.

They've also allowed an average of 25.8 ppg in the 5 losses.

If your defense can't make the stops when they need to, that puts more pressure on the playcalling and the offense to score. See Brady's stats in the last 5 playoff losses and even the AFCCG last year. Not exactly great numbers but in the NYJ game and last years or the 07 SB, he wasn't great but he wasn't horrific. The man needs help.

Go back and look at the 01-04 run. Brady had 9 games. He had 5 games below a 90 rating, 8 games less than 300 yds passing and 7 games in which they scored less than 25 points but obviously went 9-0. Why? Defense. Defense. Defense (and FGs).

Like Bru pretty much said in his chat, this team needs more talent that can stop people when they need to.

PatriotDynasty_12 · Jan 22, 2013

jmt57 said:
If the only data you use comes from losses, I would expect that it would not paint a pretty picture - regardless of the statistic you are looking at, or which team.

As far as the 'need a downfield threat' theory goes, how many championships did the Pats win with Randy Moss, and how many did they win without him?

I see your point, but we didn't have Gronk and Hernandez at the time...our offense now is completely different than 07. Imagine a deep threat (Let's say Bowe or Fitzgerald) Gronk, Hernandez, Ballard, Lloyd...that's very tough to defend, considering you can't just take away the middle of the field. Every inch of the field has to be respected if we bring in a deep threat. Obviously if we have a serious deep threat, I don't see us having Welker.

Nordberg · Jan 22, 2013

PatriotDynasty_12 said:
I see your point, but we didn't have Gronk and Hernandez at the time...our offense now is completely different than 07. Imagine a deep threat (Let's say Bowe or Fitzgerald) Gronk, Hernandez, Ballard, Lloyd...that's very tough to defend, considering you can't just take away the middle of the field. Every inch of the field has to be respected if we bring in a deep threat. Obviously if we have a serious deep threat, I don't see us having Welker.[/QUOTE]

I would be fine with that.

That is what the TE's are for. We have too many guys running shallow routes.

I'd swap out Wes for a Julio Jones type in a heart beat

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