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What is sad is even if the team has 2 good games against the Jets and Rams,Is it really going to change the problems or more likely,just delay them until the next solid team arrives?

This team appears once again to be able to beat the Sisters Of The Poor and fall to good teams.
 
All that said, I think I could forgive the bad talent evaluation should Ed Reed land in our laps off the free agent market at season's end.

Ed Reed is one of my favorite players of all time, but I really don't think we should be relying on a 35-year-old safety to be our savior.
 
That Ras-I Dowling pick is begining to sting we could have had two or three other impact players instead of him. Dowling have not live up to his Draft position.:snob:
that goes for a lot of the DBs taken in the last five -six years. You could write a book on "where are they now" theres been so many busts
 
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The OL has not been anything near a weak spot as the secondary is

The Pats simply have failed at drafting or picking up a talented player at Safety or Corner for many years now

You're completely missing the point. One of the reasons WHY the OL has not been "anythng near a weak spot as the secondary" is because of the coaching.

If the quality of the coaching between the OL and secondary were reversed, we'd be having the same conversation about the O-line: "Why can't the Pats draft good offensive lineman? They've sucked for years! They never go on to be stars anywhere else! Look what Dante's done with the secondary!"
 
The frustrating thing is the Pats, for whatever reasons, can't draft/develop corners. Therefore, if they wish to improve upon a position that has been dreadful for 5 years now, they are going to have to sign a FA. And that is going to be very costly.

Which FA corners are out there this offseason?
 
What is sad is even if the team has 2 good games against the Jets and Rams,Is it really going to change the problems or more likely,just delay them until the next solid team arrives?

This team appears once again to be able to beat the Sisters Of The Poor and fall to good teams.

If this team was 5-1 that would be good to say. I want wins right now.. I don't give a rat's ass if its 41-38 or 15-12 anymore.a
 
Except none of that happened. What happened is that Capers had bigger jobs waiting for him.

That's not how I remember it going down, but I could be wrong.
 
Re: Hire Jeremy Pruitt!

My daughter (5), son (7) and wife all said "Why would Seattle run the ball? Everytime they pass it is a long play"

I had no response.
 
It's a talent issue, no doubt. That said, it's a coaching issue, too, because it was the coaching staff that made the moves, the consequences of which we are still seeing out there to this day.

I'm hesitant to blame this all on a talent issue. It's the same scouting department that's rebuilt the offense and the front seven. And from watching our DBs play, they all seem to be playing the same technique. Cover schemes also have been vanilla.
 
It's a talent issue, no doubt. That said, it's a coaching issue, too, because it was the coaching staff that made the moves, the consequences of which we are still seeing out there to this day.

What worries me though is that Bill and his picked staff don't have a philosophy/schemes to deal with the newer NFL that favors receivers. Remember the old days when our secondary would play smashmouth ball-crushing recevers at the line and also making guys "pay". You can't do a lot of that stuff anymore and it seemed to be Belichick's trademark.
 
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I'm hesitant to blame this all on a talent issue. It's the same scouting department that's rebuilt the offense and the front seven. And from watching our DBs play, they all seem to be playing the same technique. Cover schemes also have been vanilla.

Not from I've seen. Do you have the All-22 view, though, because I may be wrong. But it looks like the Pats change things up back there a lot... to the same results.
 
I assume the coaches teach the same techniques as they did back in the Super Bowl days. New coaches, for sure, which plays a role. There are a lot of factors here all contributing to some degree: coaching, talent (or perceived lack thereof), "point of emphasis" pass coverage interpretation (a la Polian and the CC)...

Bottom line is that this pass defense is lousy, and it does not seem like a quick fix is in the offering.
 
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Re: Hire Jeremy Pruitt!

My daughter (5), son (7) and wife all said "Why would Seattle run the ball? Everytime they pass it is a long play"

I had no response.

I think an embryo would say the same thing if they could talk instead of kick :rolleyes:

Pass,pass,pass and beat the Pats......it's a blueprint every team can use all year.
 
I want to ball up and cry.

Here’s a look at the brutal start by the Patriots’ passing defense:

The Patriots have allowed 15 passing touchdowns, tied for most in the NFL. They are on pace to permit 40 touchdown passes, which would break the NFL record of 38 in a season set by the 1969 St. Louis Cardinals. If one includes AFL teams, the 2012 Pats are on pace to tie the record for most touchdowns allowed in a season, set by the 1963 Broncos.
The 2012 Patriots are on pace to demolish the franchise record for most passing touchdowns allowed in a season. The current record of 29 was set by the 1995 team that finished 6-10.
The 2012 Patriots have allowed more touchdown passes through six games than any other team in franchise history. The previous record of 13 was set by the 1961 and 1994 teams.
Prior to this season, 24 teams in the Super Bowl era had allowed 15 or more passing touchdowns in their first 6 games of the season. Two (1986 Jets, 2002 Titans) made the playoffs.
The Patriots are on pace to permit 275+ yards in 11 games — which would break the team record of 10, set in 2011
The Patriots have allowed 275+ yards passing in four straight games, tied for the longest streak in team history (previously done in 2011, 2005, 1996, 1962).
The defense has permitted an average of 288.8 passing yards per game, 28th in the NFL. It is the second highest passing yards per game average of a Patriots team through six games in franchise history. (Last year’s Patriots team allowed 322.2 passing yards per game in the first six contests of the season — the second highest yield through six games of any team in the Super Bowl era.)
Opponents are completing 64.4 percent of passes, 25th in the NFL
The Patriots have permitted two or more passing touchdowns in four games, on pace for 11 such contests, which would tie team record, previously set by 1995 and 1961 Patriots.
The Patriots have allowed 33 completions of 20+ yards, first in the NFL — and it’s not even close. Second highest total: 26.
Opponents have a 100.9 QB rating, 27th in the NFL. That mark would shatter the previous record for the worst ever permitted by the Patriots in a season (92.2, 1972).
The Patriots have allowed 79 passing 1st downs, 27th in the NFL.
 
There are three ways to cover up a garbage secondary......

1) Don't give the QB more than 3 seconds to throw,get in his face all day

2) Score more than 30 points on offense

3) Force multiple turnovers and have none or little on your side


It's obvious that the Pats MUST do all of the above to win games in 2012,I don't see a sudden resurgence of talent and technique to evolve within the next 2 months......we have what we have,deal with it.
 
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I'm listening to WEEI and Mut & Merloni right now on the secondar; they say that Belichick is one of the better coaches in the league, but then they compare him to Norv Turner.

Had to turn it off.

Are Mut & Merloni really this bad?


I just listened to the same thing. They were questioning his decision making which was justified after what we saw yesterday. They then said that if Norv Turner did the same thing that BB did everybody would be saying "That Norv turner is up to it again."

There is some truth to that. BB has made some bad decisions over the past few years. While he has been called out on it I personally think he gets somewhat of a free pass because he is BB.
 
You're completely missing the point. One of the reasons WHY the OL has not been "anythng near a weak spot as the secondary" is because of the coaching.

If the quality of the coaching between the OL and secondary were reversed, we'd be having the same conversation about the O-line: "Why can't the Pats draft good offensive lineman? They've sucked for years! They never go on to be stars anywhere else! Look what Dante's done with the secondary!"

Samuel, Gay, Hobbs, Wilson, Bodden, Sanders, Meriweather......


They all played well, for at least a while, in New England. It's a talent issue.
 
....I think that you overestimate how many youngsters can be integrated into a defense. ............

SAFETY
Wilson is a keeper. After Wilson, we need lots of help. I find it likely that Gregory will end up staying. We should definitely draft a couple of safeties.
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That is a relief. Also a sure-fire way to guarantee another wasted (and stockpiled) Draft Class.
 
The Patriots draft/develop CB's the same way the Red Sox draft/develop SS's....
 
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