Week 6 at Seattle Seahawks.... piece of cake, right?

BlueTalon said:

Who said anything about dynasty? What Pete Carroll and John Schneider have built is a helluva good defense, one that I seriously doubt anybody is going to run on for 200+ yards.

If you think our trend of holding teams below 100 yards of rushing has "a much greater chance of not continuing" than your recent trend of rushing for over 200 yards per game, then... well, let's just say that Seahawks fans do not hold a monopoly on being delusional.

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Just a heads up: check the avatar; pherein isn't a Pats fan, he's a Saints fan.





Carry on ...

I was gonna say something but I wanted to see how far this guy would go before i pulled a "Lucy" on him...drats, JMT

BlueTalon said:

Who said anything about dynasty? What Pete Carroll and John Schneider have built is a helluva good defense, one that I seriously doubt anybody is going to run on for 200+ yards.

If you think our trend of holding teams below 100 yards of rushing has "a much greater chance of not continuing" than your recent trend of rushing for over 200 yards per game, then... well, let's just say that Seahawks fans do not hold a monopoly on being delusional.

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Talon is absolutely right about the defense. IMO, this is the best defense in this team's history ... and given how good that 1984 group was, that's saying a lot. Paul Moyer (who was a part of that team) was on 710 ESPN today and made no bones about it in saying that this current group is better than that team was. This defense is special and the question has started to be raised -- will other teams start looking at this Seahawks team as a model for how defenses should be constructed? It's quite possible.

It was really interesting for me today reading that article in the Boston Globe on the Patriots Offense. Believe you me, Husky fans know exactly how good Oregon's Chip Kelly is -- so it made a whole lot of sense out of where Belichick and company have gotten some of their ideas. He's definitively a very innovative mastermind when it comes to offense ... and I've got to say, Pete Carroll is very much the exact same way when it comes to defense.

The entire Seahawks defense speed in pursuit to the ball is quite impressive -- like a bunch of rabid dogs on methamphetamine chasing down the mailman. I kid you not in saying that they have a whole team of these guys ...


You know, a lot people thought Pete Carroll and John Schneider were completely out of their minds in what they were doing when they first came to Seattle. Red Bryant was a guy who hadn't cut it at DE and was on the verge of being cut. Pete viewed him as an oversized run stuffer -- inconceivable -- and he was right. They bring in Brandon Browner from the CFL ... draft Richard Sherman in the 5th Round ... K.J. Wright in the 4th ... are laughed out of the building on draft day this year for their selection of Bruce Irvin ... and on and on it goes. These guys definitely beat a completely different drum when it comes to their evaluation process. Their methods have certainly been unorthodox -- Pete is certainly a crazy mad scientist ... and the Seahawks moves at times have made a lot of experts out there snicker and scratch their heads. But all the proof you need is to simply watch these guys go. Just as a pure football fan, it's going to be fun for me to see how this chess match between these 2 masterminds goes.

Hawkscanner said:

Talon is absolutely .

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So now seahawk fans are quoting seahawk fans, because they cant beat well establish arguments by opposing fans? interesting

and just so you know my opinion Pete Carroll is a joke as a OC. But I wish your team the best.

For the Seahawks fans:

Most of the posters here are very knowledgable and are well aware that Seattle will pose a major threat defensively, not to mention the tremendous homefield advantage that you also possess.

They are a very physical defense, with ability to create nice pressure in the front seven.

Not only that, but their secondary is also quite formidable in my opinion.

That all said, the Pats seem to have found a bit of a groove lately, so most of us are probably expecting a win, truth be told. However, I wouldn't be too surprised if the game were very close until the 3rd/4th quarter or so.

The prospect of Hernandez returning and/or the offense continuing to find a bit of a groove may also provide a nice cushion at some point, so it could certainly go either way. I just didn't want you to feel as though the majority of the fans were arrogant (won't allow me to type the 5 letter word I am looking for which begins with a "C" and ends with a "Y.") Those who are knowledgable realize that this game could have the potential to be a dogfight at times.

Pete has the entire Seahawks fanbase jacked and pumped.

pherein said:

So now seahawk fans are quoting seahawk fans, because they cant beat well establish arguments by opposing fans? interesting

and just so you know my opinion Pete Carroll is a joke as a OC. But I wish your team the best.

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I've just decided to chime in here this week to give Pats fans an idea of what they're going to face this weekend ... and to get more of a sense of what we'll be facing as well. I'm just here to give honest scouting reports from someone who's followed this team and the NFL for 30 years -- that's all.

As far as Carroll as an OC -- that remains to be seen IMO ... BUT for sure, a whole lot of people (including myself) haven't been all that happy with the play calling this year thus far. Carroll himself has admitted that he's to blame -- no one else -- for holding back the reigns on the offense. Basically, his rationale is that he hasn't wanted to put the burden on Russell Wilson for having to throw a ton and "win" a game by himself (just be a game manager). I can see his point but personally, it's driven me a bit crazy ... which has (I think) made a lot of Seahawk fans miss the days of the offense under Mike Holmgren. That said from what I can see, Holmgren for as much of an offensive guru as he was had certain fatal flaws that Carroll doesn't appear to have.

Now, I loved Mike Holmgren, but if there is one complaint I had about him … it’s that it seemed like he couldn’t ever think on the fly or outside the box. Holmgren always scripted his first few plays and if things went according to plan, the Hawks tended to rack up points in the 1st Half. Come 2nd Half however, there were countless times in which teams mounted comebacks and turned those 1st half laughers in to nail biters. But simply put for as great as the Walrus was … his weakness was that he struggled in his ability to diagnose what opposing coordinators were doing to him and to make adjustments accordingly. Not so with Pete Carroll. Though it’s admittedly a small sample size thus far, here are the scores broken down between 1st half and 2nd half for all Seahawk games during the Pete Carroll Era. Check out how the numbers are trending …

2010 Season …
Seahawks 1st Half … 152 Points
Opponents’ 1st Half … 271 Points
Seahawks 2nd Half … 223 Points
Opponents’ 2nd Half … 207 Points

Hawks Offense -- Difference from 1st to 2nd Half … 71 More Points Scored
Hawks Defense -- Difference from 1st to 2nd Half … 64 Less Points Allowed

2011 Season …
Seahawks 1st Half … 119 Points
Opponents’ 1st Half … 165 Points
Seahawks 2nd Half … 202 Points
Opponents’ 2nd Half … 150 Points

Hawks Offense -- Difference from 1st to 2nd Half … 83 More Points Scored
Hawks Defense -- Difference from 1st to 2nd Half … 15 Less Points Allowed

2012 Season (through 10/7/2012) …
Seahawks 1st Half … 36 Points
Opponents’ 1st Half … 33 Points
Seahawks 2nd Half … 50 Points
Opponents’ 2nd Half … 37 Points

Hawks Offense -- Difference from 1st to 2nd Half … 14 More Points Scored
Hawks Defense -- Difference from 1st to 2nd Half … 4 More Points Allowed (*2 of those points this past week were the result of a safety, which Carroll intentionally allowed.)

I did further in depth research on this a couple of weeks ago, going back in to the archives and checking out the scores of USC games from 1st to 2nd Half during the Pete Carroll ERA (2001-2009). Though many of those games were admittedly 1st Half Blowouts (since USC teams were perennial National Championship contenders)… looking at total scores per year wasn’t all that helpful. BUT, there were also no shortage of examples over that 9 year period that clearly demonstrate that Pete Carroll has an almost uncanny ability to make in game adjustments … and to be right more times than not. I have a very good friend who is a USC alum and follows USC football as religiously as any of us follow our own teams (he's an SC fanatic). I ran that question past him and he completely concurred that Carroll has that ability -- citing numerous examples for me. Carroll appears to be very good not only at breaking down film and at game planning PRIOR to a game ... but also can figure out what opposing coordinators are doing to him on the fly DURING the game and can make adjustments accordingly. I know Belichick and his staff have that ability as well ... so it should definitely be fun (just as a pure football fan) to see what happens on Sunday.

I have been impressed with pass rush their first round "surprise pick" is very good at getting to QB.

Their corners are the biggest I have seen and play in your face man to man.

Will be a contrast to our D philosophy.

Lets see how our Offene does almost like giant d in superbowl style

italia44 said:

Link to the multiple threads that say we are going to humiliate the Seahawks?????.....Put up or shut up,pigeondroppings:yeahthat:

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You're a day late and a dollar short. They were already removed by the mod. Don't believe me? Well, join the site and PM the mod. seahawkblue.com

That's all I can tell ya.

Alrighty-now. I'm working on my own version of the scouting report on the Hawks Offense (shout outs to sainthawk and HawksSoc for their write-ups) ... but in the meantime, I'd like to ask a couple of questions to you Pats fans if you don't mind ...

1) We've heard a ton about the Pats Offense ... but very little about the Pats Defense. Can you give us a scouting report of this current group, assessing their strengths, weaknesses, key contributors, etc?

2) IF (big hypothetical IF there) I were an opposing defensive coordinator and were looking to effectively neutralize the Pats Offense -- how would I do it? Where are the potential chinks in the armor from what you can see (if they exist)? Where are they vulnerable and where would I look to attack?

New England Seahawks said:

You're a day late and a dollar short. They were already removed by the mod. Don't believe me? Well, join the site and PM the mod. seahawkblue.com

That's all I can tell ya.

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Ah...look at that. A fresh one this morning.

Patriots vrs Seahawks #1 v #1..

Hawkscanner said:

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1) We've heard a ton about the Pats Offense ... but very little about the Pats Defense. Can you give us a scouting report of this current group, assessing their strengths, weaknesses, key contributors, etc?

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The strength is the front 7. Wilfork and Love in the middle are very tough to move and the main reason that inside running rarely succeeds. Rookie Chandler Jones and also Ron Ninkovich are the main pass rushers. Both have a propensity to force turnovers. The linebackers corps has been transformed, with Mayo being the regular leader in tackles, playing sideline-to-sideline, Brandon Spikes excelling in run support and delivering big hits, and rookie Hightower doing some of both.

Hightower was out last week, there is a big dropoff to Tracy White, who also got dinged last week but we were playing a lot of nickle so we didn't really have to go deeper to someone like special teamer Koutovides, which would be scary.

The weakness so far has been in the secondary, which can get exposed when the front four are unable to generate pressure without a blitz.

You see plenty of threads criticizing McCourty. Sadly, he's the best corner, though rookie Dennard had a good debut last week. Arrington and Moore are very inconsistent, Dowling an unknown. Saftey play has been spotty too, to be honest. We thought Chung has star potential and he does deliver big hits on occasion, though often after a catch has already been made. Tavon Wilson is a rookie and somewhat an unknown.

bottom line: I don't expect you to be able to run inside. Running outside is usually difficult too, due to our scheme and upgraded athleticism at LB. We lead the league in forced turnovers, so ball security is an issue. We are also way up there in fewest yards allowed after contact, meaning we tackle well. That is the biggest change from last year, frankly, well along with the added speed.

The weakness of our D is when you have a great O-line that protects well enough to require blitzing, leaving corners and safeties on islands. Isn't that true for most D's though? Thus a great O-line and an accurate passer are essential to put up enough points to win.

This will not be a 17-14 game. Expect to have to score 30, even though you play good D.

Hawkscanner said:

2) IF (big hypothetical IF there) I were an opposing defensive coordinator and were looking to effectively neutralize the Pats Offense -- how would I do it?

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Pressure up the middle, getting to Tom, has typically been the only way to slow the O down. There are a lot of "hot read" weapons you have to cover if you do that though- Welker, Gronk, Hernandez (hopefully), and Lloyd.

It is also hard to blitz when the Pats are in hurry-up mode, because the pace is unlike any hurry-up you have seen. You can't often use a specialty personnel package, because TB will make sure to exploit it and never let it get off the field, and communication is bound to be rushed.

Hawkscanner said:

Alrighty-now. I'm working on my own version of the scouting report on the Hawks Offense (shout outs to sainthawk and HawksSoc for their write-ups) ... but in the meantime, I'd like to ask a couple of questions to you Pats fans if you don't mind ...

1) We've heard a ton about the Pats Offense ... but very little about the Pats Defense. Can you give us a scouting report of this current group, assessing their strengths, weaknesses, key contributors, etc?

2) IF (big hypothetical IF there) I were an opposing defensive coordinator and were looking to effectively neutralize the Pats Offense -- how would I do it? Where are the potential chinks in the armor from what you can see (if they exist)? Where are they vulnerable and where would I look to attack?

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1. BB tries to take away what an offense does best. Week 1 we held Chris Johnson to under 20 yards IIRC. Week 2 we held Fitz to 1 rec. Our game plan will without a doubt be to shut down Lynch (perhaps with 8 in the box) and make Wilson beat us.

The run D is a strength and it all starts with our best defender Wilfork. Demands a double on every play. Mayo is our next best defender. An absolute tackling machine, 250lbs with sideline to sideline speed. Other notable players include
6'5'' DE Chandler Jones who recently won defensive rookie of the month. He's freakishly long, very good against the run and pass. Lastly is LB Brandon Spikes who is a liability in man to man but shows plus instincts in zone. Where he really excels though is in playing the run and delivering monster hits.

Our weakness is the secondary where we have crap and more crap. There's been some plays made and there is an improvement from last year but it's clearly the weak link of the team. Exposing this unit is your best shot at scoring 20+.

New England Seahawks said:

Ah...look at that. A fresh one this morning.

Patriots vrs Seahawks #1 v #1..

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C'mon.... that's you with a mult account.

I wasted ten minutes reading this crap....either they have members that are trolling their own board with fake handles or those "Pats" fans are undercover trolls from THEIR own division. In any event, I highly doubt any of the 22 thousand members here would waste their time to post at a board that's about a decade and a half behind the times.

"Troll!!! You posted about the Patriots@!!You are a dirty troll!!You bad!!! Hah hah!!! You just watch!! We will get you!! You troll you!!"

dizi24 said:

Except GB, they haven't faced one offense ranked in the top 2/3rds of the league. Between Arizona, Carolina, and Dallas, they have played some pretty bad offenses. They played well against GB, but they really need to prove that wasn't more than a fluke.

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They don't need to prove it wasn't a fluke. They've kicked the crap out of everyone on defense this year, including Green Bay.

They were top 10 in yards and points last year and top 5 in rushing. This isn't a surprise to anyone.

Joker said:

I wasted ten minutes reading this crap....either they have members that are trolling their own board with fake handles or those "Pats" fans are undercover trolls from THEIR own division. In any event, I highly doubt any of the 22 thousand members here would waste their time to post at a board that's about a decade and a half behind the times.

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With all due respect, you're a ****1ng idiot. Hey, maybe I'm really a member here trolling my board too.

And a decade and half behind the times? WTF are you smoking?

New England Seahawks said:

With all due respect, you're a ****1ng idiot. Hey, maybe I'm really a member here trolling my board too.

And a decade and half behind the times? WTF are you smoking?

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Thanks for proving my point....

Joker said:

Thanks for proving my point....

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The only point proven here is that you're a moron. Congrats. Now if you want to get back on topic here, I'd welcome it.