Odd Man Out: Dennard, Cole, or Moore

fester · Aug 30, 2012

captain stone said:
I'd love to have a Safety w/ a little more beef to backup both spots. Chung is too fragile,
and Ebner & Wilson are too inexperienced. Diggy, however, is not that player. He put on
another clinic of missing open-field tackles last night. He, Sergio & Mal Williams should not
- must not - be members of this team by Saturday. It's bad enough that Slater will be here.
.

Special Teams contributions make up about 15% of an average team's win value (Football Outsiders estimate). If we assume that roster spots are roughly distributed to aggregate unit value, that would mean most teams would have seven or eight guys whose primary/overwhelming contributions are on special teams. The first three are easy (Kicker, Punter, Snapper), and then four or five gunners/jammers/return specialists....

And given that Slater has proven that he is a very good to elite ST-er, and a plausible #7 safety and #7 wide receiver, it makes sense that he has a roster spot.

But again what the hell does Belicheck know for he extended Slater at non-vet min money and a signing bonus, drafted him, and keeps him on the roster when we could all trust in your wonderful judgement.

Ring 6 · Aug 30, 2012

UK_Pat37 said:
Really? I think a lot of teams would take a free shot at him on the waiver wire. Just because a lot of teams weren't willing to take a shot on him with a draft pick, doesn't means he's going to go unclaimed.

Simple fact is his stock was only hurt so badly because of incident within a week of the draft...an incident wich was a first in his entire career through college and up to that point. He gets accused of 'hitting a cop' who was a guy who grabbed him from behind without uniform or making his status known after he interfered in an altercation between him and someone else.

It was exaggerated by epic proportions.

But, as I said, just because a team wasn't willing to spend a pick on him doesn't mean they'll pass on a free shot on waivers. The Colts would be laughing grabbing a 2nd/3rd round talent on waivers!

Worst place this kid is going is IR...which could be interesting given the new IR rule just got approved.

The problem with the idea that teams will jump to steal practice squad guys is twofold.
1) They would have to cut a guy who spent camp with them, knows there system and made their team to pick up a guy, and put him on the 53 man roster after he wasn't good enough to make someone elses, or for you to draft.
2) The Patriots (or any team) really doesnt put much weight on whether a guy not good enough to make the cut will get to the practice squad. Fans think its part of the cutdown decision,but it really isn't. Making it through to the practice squad is meaningless anyway because they can be signed right off of it at any time by any team.

Ring 6 · Aug 30, 2012

fnordcircle said:
The whole 'Sterling Moore has not looked good' stuff is the weirdest hivemind crap I've seen on this board since well, probably last week.

He's generally been right their with his guy and a lot of the time it has been hard to determine if it was late safety help from Tavon that let someone get open.

Plus Sterling has a real knack for stripping the ball, something he showed last year and keeps doing this year.

I think he's looked at least as good as Dowling if not slightly better.

You have to be kidding. Receivers get open on him in every part of the field. He is 3 yards away on 5 yard patterns. On the pass Manning underthrew up the seam last night, he was 5 yards behind the receiver.
I will take a corner who can cover people over one who lets them catch the ball at will then swipes at it.
Moore is awful.

JJDChE · Aug 30, 2012

VrabelJr said:
In this day and age a guy like Arrington will get at least $5-6million per year

What NFL have you been following? If he keeps going like he's been going I'll be shocked if he makes less than $8MM/yr. $5-6MM is peanuts for a #1 NFL corner.

Urgent · Aug 30, 2012

Deus Irae said:
McCourty
Dowling
Arrington
Dennard
Cole

Chung
Gregory
Wilson
Ebner
Ihedigbo (?)

If you are going with 10 DB's, recognize that McCourty and Moore have both played some safety. Given that, your choice comes down to Ihedigbo vs. Moore for the 10th spot.

I would really lean toward Moore over Ihedigbo. It's a decision on the 52nd-53rd guy. Moore's best is better than Ihedigbo's best.

Deus Irae · Aug 30, 2012

Urgent said:
If you are going with 10 DB's, recognize that McCourty and Moore have both played some safety. Given that, your choice comes down to Ihedigbo vs. Moore for the 10th spot.

I would really lean toward Moore over Ihedigbo. It's a decision on the 52nd-53rd guy. Moore's best is better than Ihedigbo's best.

Special teams.... Ihedigbo > Moore

PATSYLICIOUS · Aug 30, 2012

If it were up to me I would keep all 3. 5 CB's and 5 S's with Moore counting as the 5th S and Cole/Dennard as CB4/5.

Chung is guaranteed to miss significant time. One of the other safeties will probably miss significant time and 1+ CB will probably miss significant time. Need as much depth as you can get.

QB12 · Aug 30, 2012

AndyJohnson said:
You have to be kidding. Receivers get open on him in every part of the field. He is 3 yards away on 5 yard patterns. On the pass Manning underthrew up the seam last night, he was 5 yards behind the receiver.
I will take a corner who can cover people over one who lets them catch the ball at will then swipes at it.
Moore is awful.

Been saying the same thing since the Eagles game. He's definitely regressed.

PatsWickedPissah · Aug 30, 2012

Deus Irae said:
McCourty
Dowling
Arrington
Dennard
Cole

Chung
Gregory
Wilson
Ebner
Ihedigbo (?)

Heard on the radio that Sergio Brown was a demon on STs making at least 2 tackles on KOs.

Please, For The Love of God, tell me that we have someone equally good on STs so that Sergio can explore post football career options.

Ring 6 · Aug 30, 2012

PATSYLICIOUS said:
If it were up to me I would keep all 3. 5 CB's and 5 S's with Moore counting as the 5th S and Cole/Dennard as CB4/5.

Chung is guaranteed to miss significant time. One of the other safeties will probably miss significant time and 1+ CB will probably miss significant time. Need as much depth as you can get.

Why would you keep Moore if you want an extra safety?
Just sign a real one that gets cut.

TheComeback · Aug 30, 2012

AndyJohnson said:
You have to be kidding. Receivers get open on him in every part of the field. He is 3 yards away on 5 yard patterns. On the pass Manning underthrew up the seam last night, he was 5 yards behind the receiver.
I will take a corner who can cover people over one who lets them catch the ball at will then swipes at it.
Moore is awful.

If you'd read patfanken's post, you would've found out that Ebner was responsible for that play, not Moore. He isn't that bad. Definitely a solid #4 corner.

tombonneau · Aug 30, 2012

TheComeback said:
If you'd read patfanken's post, you would've found out that Ebner was responsible for that play, not Moore. He isn't that bad. Definitely a solid #4 corner.

No no no no no. You have it wrong. He allowed a completion in the preseason. He needs to be cut.

Dude made the most clutch Patriots post-season defensive play since -- embarrassingly enough for the Pats -- WR Troy Brown, and everyone wants to him to hit the road due to a subpar preseason. Remind me why I left Boston again?

Joey007 · Aug 30, 2012

Keep in mind if they put Dennard on IR September 4th or later, he could come off the IR later in the season now that the NFLPA agreed to that ruling.

FredFromDartmouth · Aug 30, 2012

Deus Irae said:
Special teams.... Ihedigbo > Moore

Ihedigbo Montoya?

Kicking_Game · Aug 30, 2012

tombonneau said:
No no no no no. You have it wrong. He allowed a completion in the preseason. He needs to be cut.

Dude made the most clutch Patriots post-season defensive play since -- embarrassingly enough for the Pats -- WR Troy Brown, and everyone wants to him to hit the road due to a subpar preseason. Remind me why I left Boston again?

I hear you. Then he followed it up with a FF on Victor Cruz that was called back. He even had decent coverage on the Manningham catch. Short memories. He's a lock IMO. Thankfully, BB will be making these choices.

patsinthesnow · Aug 30, 2012

Oh no, Moore has gotten beat by Desean Jackson and Victor Cruz. We'll see in a day.

ATippett56 · Aug 30, 2012

Kicking_Game said:
He's a lock IMO. Thankfully, BB will be making these choices.

If that isn't a classic football oxymoron than I don't know what is!

Deus Irae · Aug 30, 2012

patsinthesnow said:
Oh no, Moore has gotten beat by Desean Jackson and Victor Cruz. We'll see in a day.

Could you kindly post your list of all the wide receivers in the league who are allowed to beat Patriots cornerbacks like redheaded stepchildren without it having an impact on how we evaluate those corners?

Sciz · Aug 30, 2012

Joey007 said:
Keep in mind if they put Dennard on IR September 4th or later, he could come off the IR later in the season now that the NFLPA agreed to that ruling.

Isn't Dennard healthy now?

ATippett56 · Aug 30, 2012

Joey007 said:
Keep in mind if they put Dennard on IR September 4th or later, he could come off the IR later in the season now that the NFLPA agreed to that ruling.

Dennard played in the fourth preseason game against the New York Giants.

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