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It depends on the player, though. Bolden was a pretty big name coming out of his junior year, but had some questions to answer after a suspension and injury-affected low production as a senior. If he seems to answer those questions with the Patriots in pre-season, I have to think he WILL be on other teams' radar.

I would certainly agree with you. Many were bringing up Brandon Bolden when we selected him as a UDFA before camp even started.

The hype and word of mouth has only increased since then.

Bill Belichick: Brandon Bolden picking things up pretty well | ProFootballTalk

He'd be one of those "wait and hope" guys to try and move to the PS, at least in my opinion. Of course, it's early yet, so he may establish himself closer to one side of the spectrum or the other as the weeks wear on.
 
To posters questioning why Nate Ebner should make the team, you don't see his value as a 5th safety or 10th DB? He's probably a better special teamer than Brown, Barrett, Ihedigbo, Allen, and check his pro day stats, he's a hell of an athlete.

Nate didn't play football in highschool and only played 3 years as a walkon at Ohio State. When you combine his intangibles, athleticism, and sick rugby skills, he could develop into a safety with good coaching. He just needs time to learn to play the position. That's well worth giving him one of the ST only spots IMO.
 
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To posters questioning why Nate Ebner should make the team, you don't see his value as a 5th safety or 10th DB? He's probably a better special teamer than Brown, Barrett, Ihedigbo, Allen, and check his pro day stats, he's a hell of an athlete.

Nate didn't play football in highschool and only played 3 years as a walkon at Ohio State. When you combine his intangibles, athleticism, and sick rugby skills, he could develop into a safety with good coaching. He just needs time to learn to play the position. That's well worth giving him one of the ST only spots IMO.

I follow Ohio St football like a champ, so I am aware of what he brings, but it will still be a hell of a competition for the final spot.

Having a rookie come in and have to immediately learn a complicated system is certainly a tough task. He needs to first be able to get on the field.

Even then, we still need the security of a backup safety, so it will be up to Belichick to determine whether or not Barrett has a better grasp on the schemes etc. While Ebner's pro day numbers are okay, that doesn't make him an instant lock here for backup safety.

All I am saying is that some are acting as if it's a sure thing, when he has PS written all over him for the 2012 year. If he makes the team this year, it will be extremely impressive. I think it was a pick for next year myself, but we'll know soon enough.
 
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I follow Ohio St football like a champ, so I am aware of what he brings, but it will still be a hell of a competition for the final spot.

Having a rookie come in and have to immediately learn a complicated system is certainly a tough task. He needs to first be able to get on the field.

Even then, we still need the security of a backup safety, so it will be up to Belichick to determine whether or not Barrett has a better grasp on the schemes etc. While Ebner's pro day numbers are okay, that doesn't make him an instant lock here for backup safety.

All I am saying is that some are acting as if it's a sure thing, when he has PS written all over him for the 2012 year. If he makes the team this year, it will be extremely impressive. I think it was a pick for next year myself, but we'll know soon enough.

Oh, I see your point. I don't want him as a 4th safety either, especially since another rookie in wilson as the #3. He doesn't even know how to play football. :D I just think his upside and ST play should earn him a ST only spot over people like Brown, Barrett, Koutivedes, White, etc.

I see the four safeties as Chung, Gregory, Wilson, and Allen, with Ihedigbo a chance to beat out Allen. Barrett and Brown are screwed IMO.
 
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If Brace continues to perform like he has thus far this training camp, don't count him out of the 53 man roster.

If he has I can't wait too see. I'll be be down mid-August to check it out. Always gotta root for the local kid.
 
I would certainly agree with you. Many were bringing up Brandon Bolden when we selected him as a UDFA before camp even started.

The hype and word of mouth has only increased since then.

Bill Belichick: Brandon Bolden picking things up pretty well | ProFootballTalk

He'd be one of those "wait and hope" guys to try and move to the PS, at least in my opinion. Of course, it's early yet, so he may establish himself closer to one side of the spectrum or the other as the weeks wear on.

Which basically means pray he clears waivers which never happens with a Patriot that BB praises. Best of luck Brandon. You'll land an NFL job.
 
My latest list... although it seems to be in constant flux.

QB (3) Tom Brady, Brian Hoyer, Ryan Mallett - only way this doesn't happen is if a team like San Diego (who lost backup Whitehurst to injury) decides to trade for Hoyer, who BB has been dangling in a trade since before the draft. I have no idea where the idea of cutting Mallett is coming from. I think the chances of that are pretty close to zero. Whatever the rest of you think, BB likes the kid.

RB (4) Shane Vereen, Stevan Ridley, Danny Woodhead, Spencer Larsen - I like the Bolden story, but it's premature. I'd have to believe that he will give the Pats more value than Branch, and he's not there for me yet.

WR (7) Wes Welker, Brandon Lloyd, Jabar Gaffney, Deion Branch, Donte Stallworth, Julian Edelman, Matthew Slater - I've managed to keep them all. I think Branch is at the biggest risk, but turns out I've got the roster spot to give.

TE (3) Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, Visanthe Shiancoe - seems right, barring injury. I'm excited to see our 5 TE power-passing sets in 2013 when Fells and Ballard rejoin the roster. Seems clear that the staff have unusual plans for Hernandez this year; some kind of role as an offensive joker-- the ultimate mismatch.

T (4) Nate Solder, Sebastian Vollmer, Marcus Cannon, Mat Kopa - No position gives me more anxiety than OT. Solder is on a learning curve. Vollmer is a ? Cannon probably belongs at RG. I've chosen Kopa based on terse reports that he's the best of the young depth. Dante Scarnecchia, our SB aspirations are in your hands!

G (3) Brian Waters, Donald Thomas, Ryan Wendell - I'm starting Mankins on PUP, and betting that Waters joins in the last weeks of camp. I assume this is a veteran courtesy, but it's just as likely that BB asked Waters to no-show, to give the young-uns the reps in camp. Waters is a known quantity to the coaching staff, but I think he's getting the Junior Seau treatment reserved for past-prime veterans. I've cut Gallery and with very little remorse. BB always seems willing to cut a big name FA who doesn't fit (Joey Galloway, John Lynch), in preference to a no-name guy like Thomas who shows up. In fact, I think BB makes a special point of it as a motivational tactic to attract future UDFAs to Foxboro.

C (2) Dan Connolly, Dan Koppen - I sent McDonald back to PS with the expectation that he may rejoin the roster during the season. Depth from Wendell who I've listed at OG. If Waters retires, McDonald is back on (ahead of Gallery) and Connolly slides to OG.

DT (4) Vince Wilfork, Kyle Love, Ron Brace, Brandon Deaderick - Brace has played his way back onto the team, nice! That eases my regret in failing to draft Devon Still in the 2nd round. Tough cut here is Gerard Warren, who I respect. But if the kids show up to play, and so far they have, then they have to get the nod.

DE (3) Jonathan Fanene, Chandler Jones, Jake Bequette - categorizing the defensive front 7 is an impossible task these days, because everyone plays three positions. Fanene can play inside, and has during camp. But he's not the same kind of widebody that I've listed as DT, so I'll put him here with the rookie rush ends.

OLB(4) Jerod Mayo, Rob Ninkovich, Bobby Carpenter, Jermaine Cunningham - Surprise cut is Trevor Scott. I think Carpenter has outplayed him and Cunningham has had a strong offseason and it's showing up in drills. BB wont cut a guy who's shown tremendous effort and progress from the same time last year. BTW, I'm incredibly excited to see Mayo playing at Will.

ILB(4) Brandon Spikes, Donta Hightower, Dane Fletcher, Jeff Tarpinian - Love Fletcher and Tarp as quality depth who crush on ST. Suddenly we feel deep and talented at LB with Carpenter and Hightower coming onboard, and Spikes establishing himself as a pro. What a difference a year makes. Sayonara Gary Guyton! Some minor regrets over cutting Tracy White, but I"ll get over it. White will prob end up on the Jets roster, or something horrible like that.

CB (4) Devin McCourty, Ras-I Dowling, Kyle Arrington, Alfonzo Dennard - I like the potential from this group, but we need to see it on the game tape. I've listed Sterling at S because he played there last year, but that's arbitrary. He'll play both positions, I'm pretty sure.

SS (2) Patrick Chung, Tavon Wilson - Wilson can play SS, FS, CB even LB, but I'll list him here to keep the balance. I am perhaps Wilson's only fan in all of Patriots Nation. I want the kid to crush it, if only to prove once again that Kiper is an idiot...as if it wasn't already obvious. Surprise(?) cut here is Ebner, although I dont see why it should be a surprise. Late round pick, barely played in college, hasn't participated in TC, what makes anyone think that he's got the inside track for a roster spot again?

FS (3) Steve Gregory, Sterling Moore, Will Allen - I love Will Allen as a veteran presence in the secondary, and Gregory feels like the veteran field general that we were missing last season with Moore thrust into the limelight. Huge upgrades.

ST (3) Stephen Gostkowski, Danny Aiken, Zoltan Mesko - obvious

Total players: 53
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Source: 2012 Patriots Roster Projection | NEPatriotsDraft.com - 2013 NFL Draft

Quarterback (3): Tom Brady, Brian Hoyer, Ryan Mallett

Running Back (4): Stevan Ridley, Shane Vereen, Danny Woodhead, (FB) Spencer Larsen (Hernandez)

Wide Receiver (6): Wes Welker, Brandon Lloyd, Julian Edelman, Jabar Gaffney, Deion Branch, Donte Stallworth (Slater)

Tight End (3): Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, Visanthe Shiancoe (Solder)

Offensive Tackle (3): Nate Solder, Sebastian Vollmer, Marcus Cannon (Gallery)

Guard (3): Logan Mankins, Brian Waters, Robert Gallery (Wendell, Connolly)

Center (3): Dan Connolly, Dan Koppen, Ryan Wendell

Defensive Line (9): Vince Wilfork, Kyle Love, Brandon Deaderick, Jonathan Fanene, Jake Bequette, Chandler Jones, Rob Ninkovich, Jermaine Cunningham, Trevor Scott

Linebacker (6): Jerod Mayo, Brandon Spikes, Dane Fletcher, Bobby Carpenter, Dont’a Hightower (Ninkovich, Jones, Bequette, Cunningham, Scott)

Cornerback (5): Devin McCourty, Ras-I Dowling, Kyle Arrington, Sterling Moore, Alfonzo Dennard (Wilson, Allen)

Safety (4): Pat Chung, Steve Gregory, Tavon Wilson, Will Allen (McCourty, Moore, Edelman, Slater, Ebner)

Specialist (5): Stephen Gostkowski, Zoltan Mesko, Danny Aiken, Matthew Slater, Nate Ebner

PUP/IR: Daniel Fells, Markus Zusevics, Brad Herman, Myron Pryor, Jake Ballard

Practice Squad Possibilities: Jeremy Ebert, Brandon Bolden, Marcus Forston, Justin Francis, Jeff Tarpinian, Jeremiah Warren, Nick McDonald

Wow, replace Stallworth with Bolden and I agree with this roster 100%.
 
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This is what I came up with:

QB (3) Tom Brady, Ryan Mallett, Brian Hoyer
RB (5) Danny Woodhead, Stevan Ridley, Shane Vereen, Brandon Bolden, Spencer Larsen
WR (6) Wes Welker, Brandon Lloyd, Julian Edelman, Matthew Slater, Jabar Gaffney, Deion Branch
TE (4) Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, Visanthe Shiancoe, Daniel Fells
C (2) Dan Connolly, Dan Koppen
G (4) Brian Waters, Robert Gallery, Ryan Wendell, Nick McDonald (Mankins to PUP)
T (3) Sebastian Vollmer, Nate Solder, Marcus Cannon
DE (4) Chandler Jones, Jake Bequette, Trevor Scott, Jonathan Fanene
DT (4) Vince Wilfork, Kyle Love, Brandon Deaderick, Ron Brace
ILB(4) Jerod Mayo, Donta Hightower, Brandon Spikes, Dane Fletcher
OLB(2) Rob Ninkovich, Jermaine Cunningham
CB (5) Devin McCourty, Ras-I Dowling, Kyle Arrington, Sterling Moore, Will Allen
SS (2) Steve Gregory, Nate Ebner
FS (2) Patrick Chung, Tavon Wilson
ST (3) Stephen Gostkowski, Zoltan Mesko, Danny Aiken

Total players: 53
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Admittedly a little light on the ST specialists, but not sure who else I'd cut to add White or Carpenter.
 
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QB (3) Tom Brady, Brian Hoyer, Ryan Mallett
RB (5) Stevan Ridley, Shane Vereen, Danny Woodhead, Spencer Larsen, Brandon Bolden
WR (5) Wes Welker, Brandon Lloyd, Jabar Gaffney, Julian Edelman, Matthew Slater
TE (3) Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, Visanthe Shiancoe
C (3) Dan Connolly, Ryan Wendell, Nick McDonald
G (3) Logan Mankins, Brian Waters, Donald Thomas
T (3) Nate Solder, Sebastian Vollmer, Marcus Cannon
DE (5) Chandler Jones, Jake Bequette, Jermaine Cunningham, Rob Ninkovich, Trevor Scott
DT (5) Vince Wilfork, Kyle Love, Jonathan Fanene, Brandon Deaderick, Ron Brace
ILB(2) Brandon Spikes, Dane Fletcher
OLB(4) Jerod Mayo, Donta Hightower, Bobby Carpenter, Tracy White
CB (5) Devin McCourty, Ras-I Dowling, Kyle Arrington, Sterling Moore, Alfonzo Dennard
SS (3) Patrick Chung, Nate Ebner, James Ihedigbo
FS (2) Steve Gregory, Tavon Wilson
ST (3) Stephen Gostkowski, Zoltan Mesko, Danny Aiken

Total players: 54
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I have one extra. I can't decide between the 10 DEs and DTs I have there. Alternately, Nick McDonald starting on PUP could work out well.

I have Fells, Ballard, Zusevics, maybe Pryor, and maybe Ebert on PUP. Branch and Warren are told that they'll be signed back during the season, after an injury at their positions.

Biggest changes in the last week are adding Bolden and subbing Thomas in for Gallery.
 
Nick McDonald starting on PUP could work out well.

Yes, that's a good point, especially if Koppen doesn't make it (probably too soon to tell one way or another) and Connelly is playing center and not guard--which would then take an interior lineman out of the equation.
 
I agree with your comments, except for the notion that our TC UDFA binkies won't pass to the Practice Squad if we want (Bolden). TC buzz does NOT make a squad, not ours, and not someone elses. Even pre-season success might not do that.

Bolden's buzz is national, not just local. And McDonald actually played well briefly as a starter last season.

By way of contrast, I expressed and have almost no doubts about Ebner -- for example -- making it to the PS.
 
To posters questioning why Nate Ebner should make the team, you don't see his value as a 5th safety or 10th DB?

I think as a PS player with time to learn and appreantly heal up I think it is a great idea.

Right now I see Will Allen as the 5th safety and 6th CB and ideally a game day inactive. So if Ebner is kept he would need to be the 4th safety and ST core player. Missing two weeks of camp makes me nervous, at this point, to have him at that spot. Josh Barrett has started at safety so I am bit more inclined to give him a spot.
 
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I think as a PS player with time to learn and appreantly heal up I think it is a great idea.

Right now I see Will Allen as the 5th safety and 6th CB and ideally a game day inactive. So if Ebner is kept he would need to be the 4th safety and ST core player. Missing two weeks of camp makes me nervous, at this point, to have him at that spot. Josh Barrett has started at safety so I am bit more inclined to give him a spot.

About our only DB with proven consistency and durability is Kyle Arrington, and even he hasn't been doing it that long. We need depth among guys who can actually play.

Edit: Actually, not even Arrington. I was exaggerating a bit for dramatic effect.
 
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I would substitute Brace for Tarpaian.

I still see the pats running a lot of 3 down lineman as a sub package. Wishful thinking on my part that Brace finally comes thru.
 
The Pats need more depth at DB than QB, so Belichick trades Hoyer to KC for whatever he wants Romeo and Scott Pioli to give him - they owe him, big time.

Mankins is ready to go.

Shocker: Edelman is out and Jesse Holley is in because Belichick is afraid to go on The Big Show on the day after the game and have to answer to Holley's uncle if he cuts him

Ross Ventrone makes the opening day roster. How is Belichick going to cut him if he's not on the team?

Bobby Carpenter does not make the team - he is a stiff.

Nick Koutouvides makes the team because he can hit and Bob Kraft thinks it will be funny to hear Zo pronounce Koutouvides on the replays.

QB (2) Tom Brady, Ryan Mallett
RB (4) Stevan Ridley, Shane Vereen, Brandon Bolden, Danny Woodhead
WR (5) Jesse Holley, Brandon Lloyd, Jabar Gaffney, Deion Branch, Wes Welker
TE (2) Aaron Hernandez, Rob Gronkowski
C (2) Dan Koppen, Ryan Wendell
G (4) Dan Connolly, Brian Waters, Robert Gallery, Logan Mankins
T (3) Nate Solder, Marcus Cannon, Sebastian Vollmer
DE (6) Brandon Deaderick, Chandler Jones, Jonathan Fanene, Jake Bequette, Trevor Scott, Ron Brace
DT (3) Vince Wilfork, Myron Pryor, Kyle Love
ILB(5) Brandon Spikes, Donta Hightower, Dane Fletcher, Niko Koutouvides, Jerod Mayo
OLB(2) Jermaine Cunningham, Rob Ninkovich
CB (7) Devin McCourty, Sterling Moore, Kyle Arrington, Alfonzo Dennard, Will Allen, Ross Ventrone, Ras-I Dowling
SS (2) Steve Gregory, Sergio Brown
FS (2) Tavon Wilson, Patrick Chung
ST (4) Zoltan Mesko, Danny Aiken, Chris Koepplin, Stephen Gostkowski

Total players: 53
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Ross Ventrone makes the opening day roster. How is Belichick going to cut him if he's not on the team?

Oh, ye of little faith! Belichick can ALWAYS find a way to cut Ross Ventrone.
 
Not going to overreact to a single TC report, but this has to be a bit concerning:

In our subjective opinion, center Dan Koppen has lost his last five one-on-one matchups, some very lopsided. His struggles are becoming predictable and alarming. Koppen hasn’t been able to match the strength of the Patriots’ defensive tackles, and his trademark feet don’t seem to be as quick. Brandon Deaderick easily went through Koppen in one-on-ones. Would be nice to see Dan Connolly get more reps in the starting spot he earned last season.

Hopefully McDonald is ready to step up, because we could need him.
 
Source: 2012 Patriots Roster Projection | NEPatriotsDraft.com - 2013 NFL Draft

Ryan Mallet could be a "surprise cut". He's going to have to play well in pre-season. If he doesn't show anything in pre-season, he's done... He has no trade value right now after being passed over in the draft so much. BB can't waste a roster spot on someone who will likely never take a snap this season and offers no value in Special Teams.

Mallet wouldn't be a "surprise cut". He would be a "shocking cut". They "wasted" a roster spot on him last year, when they knew he wouldn't play or offer any value on ST. He should accumulate trade value if he continues to improve in practice, and other teams "find out" that he's done a nice job for them. Nobody expects him to supplant Brady, so it wouldn't be any sort of negative mark on his record to remain a backup QB for the Patriots.

Barring some catastrophe, he's staying on the roster, IMO.
 
I think the Pats knew that THIS season was not one that would be conducive to a large number of rookies. There is just too much veteran talent out there; As it is there are going to be some very tough cuts at WR, OL, DL, and DB. I think for this reason guys like Ebert and Ebmer are going to be ticketed to the PS. With only 5 picks so far for 2013, these to guys will be like 2 additional draft picks when they come back next season.

In an ideal world there will be a circumstance where some team comes to the Pats with a decent offer for Mallet or Hoyer. Its a situation I doubt very much will occur, but I can hope, because quite frankly I would rather not carry 3 QBs this season. I'd rather use that slot for an extra DB

Good players are going to get cut. Names that will surprise at least some of us. However trying to guess which players they will be is just an exercise to pass the time until the season starts. Its like masturbation. Ultimately meaningless, but it feels good at the time. ;)
 
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