Sweet Caroline is an embarassment

captain insano said:

plenty of cities in our country don't seem to have a problem getting new ball parks built. Miami just did. but my point is if it wasn't for politicians in Boston there would be a new ball park because its needed. banners championships good teams make history and create the atmosphere not the field they are played on. the new garden had plenty of soul when the celtics hung banner 17. there was plenty of soul when the bruins hung there Stanley cup banner. the place was rocking. the yankees built a new ball park because it makes good financial sense and its good for the team. do the owners get more money? sure they do. they own the team. a team that's making money is a healthy team and a team that can spend money if they want to. why would all these teams in mlb build new ball parks if it wasn't going to help the franchise? Seattle Pittsburgh and st louis another team with history. ect ect? i go to a game to watch highly competitive baseball and if im going to shell out the expensive money to go i want the entire exp. if i want to reminisce about the good old days ill put in a dvd. i never thought of baseball parks as theme parks or museums. if the team is losing like they did against the yankees the other night i'm thinking this suks. not wow imagine who played here 80 years ago. chicago has a great history, a history of losing.

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new garden was soul-less when they moved the banners over... The Bruins fans I know far preferred the Garden.

building a park isn't as easy as you make it out to be -- plenty of them are done with public financing, which tends to be a bad deal for taxpayers. Yankee Stadium received a ton of subsidies from government -- of course the owners will want to do that. I'd take money from the taxpayers, too.

Aside from the obvious fact that not every team is in the same situation, do the new ballparks help those clubs?

Look, if you go to a game for a wide assortment of food options and nice bathrooms, I don't blame you one bit for wanting a new park. Fenway isn't for you, you're absolutely right.

But you're the one who seems to want the "theme park" at the game. I want baseball and tradition. You're the one who isn't happy with an existing field that most fans who've been there consider one of the great parks in the game. (Same goes for Wrigley, btw -- I'm guessing you've never been there. But it's a great place to see a game, if you're a baseball fan)

Museum? Not exactly. I don't need monuments, etc. -- the kind of thing which new Yankee Stadium is littered with, btw (wonder why they felt a need to do that...) I know what has happened on the field that I'm watching, both the good and the bad.

and to your point about the team losing like they did versus the Yankees this weekend -- would you have been happy watching it in a new park, eating sushi and watching fireworks after the game? I know I wouldn't.

But I can deal with a loss in a well played game, especially when I'm in a beautiful park laden w/history -- which Fenway is.

So, I'll ask the direct questions again, since you haven't answered: (i) Which ballparks do you prefer to Fenway? (new YS?) (ii) what need is there for a new park in terms of the club's best interests? They're already spending a ton -- would they spend more money or just line ownership's pockets? (I have no problem with owners making money -- but as a fan, that's not an argument to me for building a new park -- that's the owners' interests, not mine)

chicowalker said:

new garden was soul-less when they moved the banners over... The Bruins fans I know far preferred the Garden.

building a park isn't as easy as you make it out to be -- plenty of them are done with public financing, which tends to be a bad deal for taxpayers. Yankee Stadium received a ton of subsidies from government -- of course the owners will want to do that. I'd take money from the taxpayers, too.

Aside from the obvious fact that not every team is in the same situation, do the new ballparks help those clubs?

Look, if you go to a game for a wide assortment of food options and nice bathrooms, I don't blame you one bit for wanting a new park. Fenway isn't for you, you're absolutely right.

But you're the one who seems to want the "theme park" at the game. I want baseball and tradition. You're the one who isn't happy with an existing field that most fans who've been there consider one of the great parks in the game. (Same goes for Wrigley, btw -- I'm guessing you've never been there. But it's a great place to see a game, if you're a baseball fan)

Museum? Not exactly. I don't need monuments, etc. -- the kind of thing which new Yankee Stadium is littered with, btw (wonder why they felt a need to do that...) I know what has happened on the field that I'm watching, both the good and the bad.

and to your point about the team losing like they did versus the Yankees this weekend -- would you have been happy watching it in a new park, eating sushi and watching fireworks after the game? I know I wouldn't.

But I can deal with a loss in a well played game, especially when I'm in a beautiful park laden w/history -- which Fenway is.

So, I'll ask the direct questions again, since you haven't answered: (i) Which ballparks do you prefer to Fenway? (new YS?) (ii) what need is there for a new park in terms of the club's best interests? They're already spending a ton -- would they spend more money or just line ownership's pockets? (I have no problem with owners making money -- but as a fan, that's not an argument to me for building a new park -- that's the owners' interests, not mine)

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i want a new ball park for the sushi ok. you got me. thats it just the yummy sushi and the clean new toilets. oh and maybe a titi bar would be nice. all the people i know love the new garden and want a new ball park. i guess we are at a stalemate there i dont know maybe you have more friends than i do and if they like what you say they do regarding fenway then that means what i lose? damn sh!t sob, i should have done a poll before i posted to see what the popular opinion is before giving mine that way i would have come down on the popular opinion side. damn damn damn.

captain insano said:

i want a new ball park for the sushi ok. you got me. thats it just the yummy sushi and the clean new toilets. oh and maybe a titi bar would be nice. all the people i know love the new garden and want a new ball park. i guess we are at a stalemate there i dont know maybe you have more friends than i do and if they like what you say they do regarding fenway then that means what i lose? damn sh!t sob, i should have done a poll before i posted to see what the popular opinion is before giving mine that way i would have come down on the popular opinion side. damn damn damn.

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Funny, you still haven't answered either question.

As for winning and losing? Eh, I get to see games at a park I love, while you apparently are uncomfortable and unhappy at Sox games.

chicowalker said:

Funny, you still haven't answered either question.

As for winning and losing? Eh, I get to see games at a park I love, while you apparently are uncomfortable and unhappy at Sox games.

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sushi anybody?

captain insano said:

sushi anybody?

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Love sushi. I just don't need it at a ballgame.

So no preferences? No thoughts on a new park actually improving the team, as you claim?

chicowalker said:

Love sushi. I just don't need it at a ballgame.

So no preferences? No thoughts on a new park actually improving the team, as you claim?

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sweet caroline oh oh oh good times never felt so goooddddd. it would improve the toilets i told you. where i take a dump is very important to me. also i think the players would love new toilets so they can take a crap off the field instead of on it.

captain insano said:

sweet caroline oh oh oh good times never felt so goooddddd. it would improve the toilets i told you. where i take a dump is very important to me.

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Sounds about right

chicowalker said:

Sounds about right

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it sure does

this is the poor which usually includes the great, is not this? Present possession additionally shipped two WS is victorious. I will consider which more than earlier possession, as well as I will go more than simply hard-core enthusiasts along with a ongoing ability w/o successful. I will additionally go more than, state, Honest McCourt, the Birkenstock boston man that desired the actual Sox however obtained the actual Dodgers.

chrisanna said:

this is the poor which usually includes the great, is not this? Present possession additionally shipped two WS is victorious. I will consider which more than earlier possession, as well as I will go more than simply hard-core enthusiasts along with a ongoing ability w/o successful. I will additionally go more than, state, Honest McCourt, the Birkenstock boston man that desired the actual Sox however obtained the actual Dodgers.

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Post of the year.

Tunescribe said:

Post of the year.

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This an other posts by this charecter sound like a foreign language run through a translator, The syntax is all off. The same thing happens when i want to read a foreign news site like der speigel, the german to english translation is similar to chrisanna's post

What's worse?

Singing Sweet Caroline when the team is losing by 10 runs or

there being 15,000 empty seats even after the stragglers get seated?

As far as I can see you have to have one of those two. I bet the KC Royals would play the stupid song after every 1/2 inning to get Fenway's attendance figures.

reflexblue said:

This an other posts by this charecter sound like a foreign language run through a translator, The syntax is all off. The same thing happens when i want to read a foreign news site like der speigel, the german to english translation is similar to chrisanna's post

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Syntax matters not.

WTF. I am reading that original post and scratching my head. Something about the Dodgers, and successful. Is there a Yoda translator or something to run it through?

Steve:Section 102 said:

I have given this post a lot of thought before responding. I really think it's the fact that the pink hats could care less if they win or lose, as long as they get to sing the damn song.

I can remember going to games in the early 80's, and seeing people walk out, disgusted, during a bad game. Now, the PH's sit there, stuffing their faces, and singing the effing songs like drunken sorority sisters. It's the general carefree atmosphere that bugs me. Fenway should be a tough place to play. It's not. It's a theme park. The game is secondary. That's what bugs me.

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Ya I remember those games too - and there were about 25,000 empty seats at each of 'em. Is that what you want a return to? Which would you prefer? 10,000 hardcore fans or 35,000 pink hats? And before you answer, consider the importance of revenue when generating a player payroll.

captain insano said:

fenway is a dump. its a pig with lipstick on it. but for some reason people buy into that most beloved ball park crap. the people of boston deserve a new ball park.

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Fenway Park is a great place to watch a baseball game - and a horrible place to watch 80. The problem is in this bass-ackwards state the people are terrified of change. You can't do anything when it comes to renewal or development.

captain insano said:

plenty of cities in our country don't seem to have a problem getting new ball parks built. Miami just did. but my point is if it wasn't for politicians in Boston there would be a new ball park because its needed.

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The problem in this God forsaken state is that every time you try to develop an area, some citizens group (which is nothing more than a very vocal minority) screams bloody murder and opposes you all the way and scare the politicians into obstructing you. It happened to Bob Kraft and it happened to John Harrington in the late 90's.

I hate to sound like Ted Nation, but a retractable roof ballpark on the South Boston waterfront was a brilliant idea. Having a football stadium there too would have been even nicer. But you can't do squat in this state (as wannabe casino developers are currently discovering, but that's a hole 'nother matter).

Wolfpack said:

The problem in this God forsaken state is that every time you try to develop an area, some citizens group (which is nothing more than a very vocal minority) screams bloody murder and opposes you all the way and scare the politicians into obstructing you. It happened to Bob Kraft and it happened to John Harrington in the late 90's.

I hate to sound like Ted Nation, but a retractable roof ballpark on the South Boston waterfront was a brilliant idea. Having a football stadium there too would have been even nicer. But you can't do squat in this state (as wannabe casino developers are currently discovering, but that's a hole 'nother matter).

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i completely agree with you.