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It is but the problem is they have proof that we did it, they'll never have actual video evidence of the Saints doing it.

It's not the proof, it's the video. TV needs images. That is a period.

That is why if a missing person is a 20 year old blond chick in good shape, it becomes news -Bad example.

Like when Whatrs-her-name, the blond ex-stripper that married the 91 year old billionaire, died of an OD or something. It was news because they had video of her at the MTV awards and stuff.
 
While Spygate will certainly be brought up quite a bit, I think this makes us look good to be honest. All we did was steal hand signals, if loomis did what he is accused of, he would have been able to hear actual play-calls in real time. That makes Spygate look like a joke in comparison. The Saints are in knee deep in **** right now and I can't say I'm not enjoying the show.

"Enjoying" is the wrong word, but I know what you mean.

ESPN "analyists" are beating them to it. Polian says he sees no way Loomis could understand the coaches' terminology and translate it into action, and Schlereth actually said it's not like knowing hand signals, where know exactly what play is being called. Honestly, they sound like Patriots fans talking about "Spygate." Odd to me that they're summarily dismissing this -- in part, I think, because the saints were not very successful in the time period involved.

So, did any of you actually put credence in what those idiots say?

Super. I can't wait to spend all week listening to ESPN and mediots explain how much worse spygate is and how we're all going to hell for rooting for the Pats.

Wow, BradyManny. Did you just admit to being a moron? You listen to ESPN? Why? There could be reasons - like you have a gun to your head or you are brain damaged. Maybe a congenital defect made you "special" and you listen to E!SPN.:D
 
Sometime ago, surely after the 2003 season, the NFL security people began monitoring all the games for wireless communication receivers/transponders. I can only imagine that the communications between the coaches and the QBs and/or LBs are encrypted. These encryptions change after every communication, so unless Loomis had an FBI level decryptor, I think he was done after this.

I have a hard time seeing how the NFL (or anyone for that matter) could prove these allegations. They are over ten years old, there is no evidence whatsoever, other than hearsay. Sorry folks, but this is going NOWHERE!!!

E!SPN supposedly has two sources. Either they tell the FBI who they were or someone is held in contempt while declaring their 1st amendment right to protect sources.
I believe it was Mike Wallace that had balls to stew for like 30 days over the pentagon papers - who at E!SPN has cojones.
 
so...ESPN says that...oh wait...nevermind...could care less

Bingo! The man has Bingo!

Oh, According to an unnamed source Marc Schlereth's mom likes ... (c'mon, do I have to keep it clean?)
 
I am on a car forum and this moron on there is a saints fan..this is what he has to say regarding this latest news.



He can't read and can barley write

Unless you are writing with barley,apparently you can't either :cool:
 
But none of it had legs until Tomasse penned his hatchet piece on Saturday specifically claiming the existence of a walk through tape filmed by Walsh...which of course never existed.

It all had legs. It was still a pretty big story, but Tomase's piece gave everyone in their mind what damning evidence Walsh had which was the tape of the walkthrough.

Without Fish's and Greg Bishop's (NY Times writer) pieces, Tomasse wouldn't have published his story. So it goes both ways.

But to say this story didn't have legs before Tomasse is not true. It had plenty of legs before that. It just exploded when Tomasse published his story.
 
I believe that without Tomase's Saturday column, the Specter and Walsh love-fest would likely have never happened. The timing of it, combined with ESPN's relentless coverage of it virtually all afternoon before kick-off and then the loss to the Giants provided the perfect storm to propel it to the front pages everywhere. I could be wrong, but that's what I believe. It remains my worst sports memory ever, by far, and I go back to the fifties as a kid and a fan.

Specter already talking about Walsh before the Tomasse story. I think he would have pressed the issue even without Tomasse's story and ESPN would have made a big deal about it. Just not as big as it became after Tomasse. People forget the crap storm that ran endlessly on ESPN on that Friday (a day before Tomasse's story).
 
Specter already talking about Walsh before the Tomasse story. I think he would have pressed the issue even without Tomasse's story and ESPN would have made a big deal about it. Just not as big as it became after Tomasse. People forget the crap storm that ran endlessly on ESPN on that Friday (a day before Tomasse's story).

espn was doing everything they could to make sure the pats did not go 19-0 and win the sb and become the greatest team of all time.
 
Hey....I like the Falcons primarily because Matty Ryan came from Boston College!!! Had them going all the way to the NFC Championship last year losing to the Pack....however, they had too many holes on D and Matt couldn't get the chemistry going with Julio as well as everyone expected. Heck even Roddy's play fell off .....I don't quite know what happened to them....Anyways, agree with your take on everything here. Guys have been scoping out opponents since the league started....called gamesmanship. You can even film from certain areas in the stadium and most of them are keying in on the hand signals you can believe that. What BB violated was having the camera on field level....at least that is the most I have been able to learn from what the violation was. The saints potentially could have heard the actual playcalling or scheming VERBATIM......much of which is just talked about like you and I would talk about a play. That is extremely damaging and unethical/immoral. The Saints players were just NOT very good during those years and I don't think that even if they KNEW the next play coming....that they could have stopped it! The fact that their record being sorry ***ed during this apparent eavesdropping is really IRRELEVANT!!!

We beat up on Matty all the time :), but he does seems like a decent guy. Your right though, we didn't have a great team till 2006. Ok teams, but not great.
So it would not have made a difference if we knew what the other team was doing.

Personally This looks like typical ESPIN to capitalize on an old story and get some hits on and easy target to boost their web site stats.
Analyst: ESPN reporter 'was on a mission' | wwltv.com New Orleans
“The NFL has what’s called an NFL frequency coordinator who is at every game. He is controlled by the NFL, and he controls the frequency. I just don’t see that this happened.”

Saints audio engineer: Idea of wire allowing GM to eavesdrop 'Ridiculous'
http://www.wwltv.com/sports/Saints-...ing-GM-to-eavesdrop-Ridiculous-148778495.html
“My opinion, when I heard the story, I said, ‘this is crazy. This is ridiculous.’
Carroll has wired the Superdome for the Saints radio network and has served as the chief engineer at WWNO for the past 12 years. Carroll said that if there was a wiring system that would have allowed the eavesdropping to occur, he would have known about it.
“Absolutely, without question,” he said. “I’ve spent too many hours in that Superdome not to think I would have seen something.”
 
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ESPN or the media isn't the source of the investigation the FBI and NO DA are currently undertaking...as was the case with NE in February 2008. So they know who the original source is. Bellowing that we don't or that ESPN has a corroberating source who made additional claims about what the wire tap was used for therefore the allegations themselves are crap is just wishful thinking. Maybe the sources won't pan out and the investigation will be closed. But for now it's ongoing which says there at least may be something to it. Matt Walsh never went to the league and told them he had evidence of additional taping or a walkthrough. Only unnamed media sources claimed that was the case...
 
espn was doing everything they could to make sure the pats did not go 19-0 and win the sb and become the greatest team of all time.
This is another one of those posts I was talking about that supports the notion that many Patriots fans have a paranoid, conspiracy theory take on everything ESPN does.
 
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A day later, I am still a little skeptical of the ESPN report, but I am more amazed by the effort by many of the people in the media to say that even if it is true that Loomis couldn't have gained any information that could have gained a competitive advantage for the Saints. It just makes no sense.

Florio has now joined the defense of Loomis brigade. He even had the nerve to argue that don't use the "They wouldn't have done it if it didn't give them a competitive edge" argument considering he used it repeatedly for the Pats' in Spygate.

I am willing to believe that this story is complete and utter BS, but if it isn't I don't know how you can argue that Loomis couldn't have gained a competitive advantage by gaining sensitive information from the other team.

What is also hard to believe that the same people downplaying this alleged spying incident have no problem stating that the Patriots gained a significant competitive advantage from filming defensive signals. And they probably don't see how they are contradicting themselves.

In general, I think we've seen some thought and consideration go into the responses from the media for this situation and the Saints bounty program. There has been plenty of negative statements, but there were also counter-arguments and middle of the road responses.

I just wonder where that balance was 5 years ago with New England. You still see fallout from that today, with the McDaniels hiring. That story didn't merit any of the fuss that was raised over it.

Lastly, on a minor annoyance level, how is electronically tapping into the communications between the other teams' coaches without their knowledge merely "eavesdropping," while the filming of hand signals displayed on the opposing sideline, out in the open, considered "spying?"
 
I agree with your post 100%...even if you ARE a paranoid who believes in conspiracy theories....like most of us.
 
What is also hard to believe that the same people downplaying this alleged spying incident have no problem stating that the Patriots gained a significant competitive advantage from filming defensive signals. And they probably don't see how they are contradicting themselves.

In general, I think we've seen some thought and consideration go into the responses from the media for this situation and the Saints bounty program. There has been plenty of negative statements, but there were also counter-arguments and middle of the road responses.

I just wonder where that balance was 5 years ago with New England. You still see fallout from that today, with the McDaniels hiring. That story didn't merit any of the fuss that was raised over it.

Lastly, on a minor annoyance level, how is electronically tapping into the communications between the other teams' coaches without their knowledge merely "eavesdropping," while the filming of hand signals displayed on the opposing sideline, out in the open, considered "spying?"


agree completely. how else do you explain the difference in coverage between the two teams. the only explanation is the distance from ny.
 
Things like stealing hand signals, and videotaping have been around for years, today's technology hasn't. If the Saints walk away from this then where will the use of technology end? Where will the NFL draw the line?

I bet BB has the office swept for bugs on a regular basis :D
 
What is also hard to believe that the same people downplaying this alleged spying incident have no problem stating that the Patriots gained a significant competitive advantage from filming defensive signals. And they probably don't see how they are contradicting themselves.

In general, I think we've seen some thought and consideration go into the responses from the media for this situation and the Saints bounty program. There has been plenty of negative statements, but there were also counter-arguments and middle of the road responses.

I just wonder where that balance was 5 years ago with New England. You still see fallout from that today, with the McDaniels hiring. That story didn't merit any of the fuss that was raised over it.

Lastly, on a minor annoyance level, how is electronically tapping into the communications between the other teams' coaches without their knowledge merely "eavesdropping," while the filming of hand signals displayed on the opposing sideline, out in the open, considered "spying?"

The problem I run into is when these guys paint themselves in a corner and can no longer get away with their hypocrisy they fall back on "well we don't know what was on those destroyed tapes"...like they had video of behind closed door practices or something.
 
This is another one of those posts I was talking about that supports the notion that many Patriots fans have a paranoid, conspiracy theory take on everything ESPN does.

Congratulations for backing way off what you (or maybe it was Lawfirm?) said before!

I just don't feel that ESPN conspires against us the way everyone on here thinks they do.
(bold emphasis is mine)

You managed to search and search for one poster among thousands here, to justify a position that all of us are paranoid. Think about it. It's pretty bizarre.
 
You managed to search and search for one poster among thousands here, to justify a position that all of us are paranoid. Think about it. It's pretty bizarre.

Some might consider it being paranoid.
 
If the Saints don't get nailed hard for this, a lot of teams could be installing this stuff very soon. Are there any states that don'e require consent from any party for recording to be legal? I know that most states are two-party required, and some are one-party, but I don't think there are any zero-party states.
 
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I agree with your post 100%...even if you ARE a paranoid who believes in conspiracy theories....like most of us.

If you are a Jew in Germany in the 1930s are you paranoid?:D

Yes, I violated Godwin's law. That means I'm an ***hole equating football to the holocaust; it does not mean I'm wrong.
 
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