DE: Arkansas' Jake Bequette > UNC's Quinton Coples

Coples is touted as the #1 DE this year. I just don't see it. Bequette is probably a 2nd rounder and his combine numbers are as good, if not better than Coples. Really most things are negligible differences between them. Coples has 10lbs, but that's about it.

Bequette's also had better on field production. Yet nobody has talked about him being a 1st rounder. Can the Pats steal him in the 2nd?

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MrNathanDrake said:

Coples is touted as the #1 DE this year. I just don't see it. Bequette is probably a 2nd rounder and his combine numbers are as good, if not better than Coples. Really most things are negligible differences between them. Coples has 10lbs, but that's about it.

Bequette's also had better on field production. Yet nobody has talked about him being a 1st rounder. Can the Pats steal him in the 2nd?

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Bequette is slow off the snap, I dont have any interest in him.

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have you been smoking the same stuff as Patsderoer??

Seriously, Bequette is more of a OLB in the Pats 3-4 system where Coples has the build to add 10 lbs and be a 3-4 DE.

I believe that Bequette's best position is 4-3 DE. Coples can be a 4-3 DE or a 4-3 DT, or a 3-4 DE.

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DaBruinz said:

have you been smoking the same stuff as Patsderoer??

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Are you this much of a douchebag in real life? You must be very well liked by your colleagues.

Seriously, Bequette is more of a OLB in the Pats 3-4 system where Coples has the build to add 10 lbs and be a 3-4 DE.

I believe that Bequette's best position is 4-3 DE. Coples can be a 4-3 DE or a 4-3 DT, or a 3-4 DE.

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Belichicks 1st rd DE selections have both weighed over 300lbs. Coples is only 284 and looks maxed out at that weight. He could add fat but he would lose speed and endurance.

He is around Mario Williams weight, and Mario played OLB this year at a high level before getting injured.

Bequette is closer to Willie McGinest/Adalius Thomas weight..... which is BB's ideal weight for OLB considering how much he liked Willie and how hard he pursued Adalius in Free Agency.

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Legitimate question. Don't take this the wrong way.

You mention combine numbers and production. Have you actually watched the guy play?

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Coples is my pick for top ten BUSTTTTTTTTTTTT

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Coples is third round pick imo. if you want someone from NC take Brown not Coples. Bequette is the probably the best pass rusher in this draft.

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If Bill doesn't take one of Branch, Mercilus, Perry or Hightower w/ either 27 or 31,
then I have no problem if he takes Bequette or Shea McClellin w/63.
At this time, I feel that taking either of them w/48 or earlier is premature,
because both should be avail. into the 3rd round.

I may feel differently one month from now, however.

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Warren94 said:

Bequette is the probably the best pass rusher in this draft.

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captain stone said:

]then I have no problem if he takes Bequette or Shea McClellin w/63.

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Yeah, this is what I'm talking about. His size says elite pass rusher and he was productive, but the tape just doesn't back that up at all. He's a 4th round pick at best.

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No. That's all I have to say on it. For plenty of reasons stated above. I only hear question of Coples' motor. You just have to watch this guys technique and how he plays. Solid first round player. Don't set a great deal much on just the combine...it's clear on tape who the better player is.

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MrNathanDrake said:

Are you this much of a douchebag in real life? You must be very well liked by your colleagues.



Belichicks 1st rd DE selections have both weighed over 300lbs. Coples is only 284 and looks maxed out at that weight. He could add fat but he would lose speed and endurance.

He is around Mario Williams weight, and Mario played OLB this year at a high level before getting injured.

Bequette is closer to Willie McGinest/Adalius Thomas weight..... which is BB's ideal weight for OLB considering how much he liked Willie and how hard he pursued Adalius in Free Agency.

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To answer this post, I think he is I don't think I've ever seen the guy respectfully disagree with anyone. Unfortunate really. Dogmatic people do my head in.

I actually think he has the ability to play some OLB...I heard Washington have already approached him about it.

Whilst yes, Mario Williams was able to transition, It isn't easy for someone of that size to do it and I'm not banking on his ability to do so. I was impressed with his agility and movement in the cone drills though..there's potential but I think people see him more as an edge setter against the run. He isn't that much of an accomplished pass rusher and whilst I thought he was extremely stiff and the cone drills seemed to demonstrate otherwise, I can't see it on the tape! Tape is where it matters and that may drop him down a little.

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I think the UNC team as a whole was very dysfunctional this year. I don't think the players were very happy with Butch Davis being fired. That isn't an excuse for "attitude" problems from guys like Coples and Paige-Moss, but you can't discount their talent and if these UNC players end up on the right teams with strong coaches and good leadership (Patriots, Bengals, Steelers, Ravens, etc.) they could end up being stars.

And honestly, Coples looks like the closest thing to Justin Tuck other than the man himself.

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MrNathanDrake said:

Are you this much of a douchebag in real life? You must be very well liked by your colleagues.

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You aren't a collegue. You're some dumb poster on a message board who posts more asinine garbage than comes out of Congress on any given day. This thread is just more proof of that. The issue with Coples has been his consistency of play.

MrNathanDrake said:

Belichicks 1st rd DE selections have both weighed over 300lbs. Coples is only 284 and looks maxed out at that weight. He could add fat but he would lose speed and endurance.

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Who said anything about previous 1st round selections? Who said anything about the Pats drafting Coples in the 1st round? OH.. That's right. No one in this thread. As for Coples, no he doesn't look like he's maxxed out at that weight. Just goes to show how much you don't know.

MrNathanDrake said:

He is around Mario Williams weight, and Mario played OLB this year at a high level before getting injured.

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Mario Williams was 295lbs. Not 275. Williams was playing OLB because of how athletic he is. Bequette isn't nearly the athletic freak that Williams is and it's a joke for you to even try to compare the two.

MrNathanDrake said:

Bequette is closer to Willie McGinest/Adalius Thomas weight..... which is BB's ideal weight for OLB considering how much he liked Willie and how hard he pursued Adalius in Free Agency.

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Actually, 275 isn't the ideal weight for OLB on the Pats. It's about 265. BB liked Willie Mc so much that he went out and got Colvin to replace Willie. The only reason it didn't happen was because of Colvin's fluke injury. Don't believe me? The information is out there.

BTW, nothing you mentioned about Bequette's weight and your comparison to Willie Mc did ANYTHING to go against what I said in that Bequette was more of an OLB in the Pats system..

As for Thomas, his weight was, more than likely, a non factor. What made Adalius such a target was his production on the field and his willingness to play a variety of different roles. A willingness he lost during his tenure with the Pats.

But keep on posting things that support what others are saying and detracting from your original post.. It's quite amusing..

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just some well-adjusted folks sharing ideas and common interests on the internet is all

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DaBruinz said:

have you been smoking the same stuff as Patsderoer??

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MrNathanDrake said:

Are you this much of a douchebag in real life?

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UK_Pat37 said:

To answer this post, I think he is

I don't think I've ever seen the guy respectfully disagree with anyone.

Unfortunate really. Dogmatic people do my head in.

I actually think he has the ability to play some OLB....

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That's ridiculous.

Defensive End in a "43" Scheme, maybe.

But no WAY can Dah Broonz play OLB at the next level. :singing:

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Off The Grid said:

That's ridiculous.

Defensive End in a "43" Scheme, maybe.

But no WAY can Dah Broonz play OLB at the next level. :singing:

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Nah. He's a guard for the Patriots. got the attitude!

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manxman2601 said:

Nah. He's a guard for the Patriots. got the attitude!

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Nah as Doucebagcoordinator he is in control of the Whinebackers.

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Naaah....they have him pegged for overseeding and fertilizing the field turf

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Jake has 32" arms. No thanks.

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Jake is a smart and hardworking guy with a good motor...but he did disappear in some games last year against better OLs. He can hit the crap out of the QB when he gets there though...ask aaron murray and connor shaw lol. I do think he can be good value in the mid rounds but im not sure if his game will translate. He'll have to learn some new moves besides the bull rush. Believe it or not he did have a better season than melvin ingram

I don't like all the LB talk though...let him play what he's been playing first