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I was watching Felger & Mazz on CSN a few days ago and there is a guy that filled in on the Felger show for the nitwit Maz; I think the fill in is their normal "update" guy. I don't watch or listen to the show that often, as I live in VA.

He was using scoring totals to make a point that this offense and defense was worse than last year's versions. My first thought, was that he took the simplistic route when it came to scoring. And I didn't give it much thought, until, I started seeing the scoring tota pop up here in random threads. I thought it would be interesting to see the actual offensive production, minus the Defensive and ST's scores.

Last year the Defense scored 5 TD's and our ST's added another 3. That is 56 points scored by the defense/ST's (giving the Extra point to the D to keep it simple). This season the Defense scored 3 TD's and ST's scored 1. For a grand total of 28 points scored by the Defense/ST's.

To breakdown, the offense actually scored:

2010: 462 points
2011: 485 points

Other things to note is the significant drop off in KO return yardage throughout the league. And in the Pats case the KO return average actually dropped from 22 YPR in 2010 to 21.4 YPR in 2011, so not only did the Pats face more touchbacks and have more KO returns start inside the end zone, the production was actually worse when they did return the KO.

The average starting field position:

2010: 32.6 (3rd in the league)
2011: 28.9 (9th in the league)

Yards per drive:
2010: 36.1 (2nd in the league)
2011: 39.5 (2nd in the league)

So based on the numbers above the 2011 offense was actually more productive than the 2010 offense.

Great thread! I don't necessarily agree with your conclusion, though.

You raise a truly salient point when you bring up the difference in average starting field position, but I think that 'yards per drive' is sort of a 'neither here nor there' stat. For an offense that scores a lot, yards per drive is increased by poorer average field position, a variation due not to the offense being any better, but there simply being more field to cover.

In this case, I think points per drive is the more useful metric. In 2010, the Pats averaged 2.9 pts per drive compared to 2.79 in 2011. The difference of 0.2 is actually pretty close to the the difference in expected points between starting drives at the 33 vs. 29 yard lines is 0.3. Now, you can't really create an 'adjusted points per drive' that simply, but still -- it does lend support to your argument that a better average starting field position makes the 2010 offense look better.

That said, there are some areas in which the Patriots' offense got worse that aren't really affected by starting field position. The 2011 Patriots turned the ball over on 9.2% of their possessions compared to 5.7% of the time in 2010, which amounted to a ~60% increase in turnover rate. (Though the good news is that after throwing 10 INTs in the first 8 games, Brady threw 2 the rest of the way.)

Still, I think that in terms of point production efficiency, you can at best argue that the two offenses were roughly equivalent, and this is all before you take into consideration that the '10 offense faced a significantly more difficult slate of defenses.

I think the tendency is to discount just how amazing efficient the 2010 offense was because of how the season ended. One shouldn't -- the poor timing of the offense having its worst game of the season doesn't change what it was able to do the rest of the year. The 2010 offense's performance was one for the ages in a way that this year's hasn't been.

The question is, how does one reconcile the observable drop-off in scoring efficiency with the fact that three of the team's best offensive play-makers are equally observably operating at a higher level than they were last year.

Welker was clearly hampered by his knee rehab last year, and this season, he's even managed to add a new facet to his game, catching opposing d-backs off guard by running more deep posts and fly routes. And do I even need to get into the work being done by Gronk and Hernandez this season? Gronk's YAC has been ridiculous, his hands unbelievable, and his body control and ability to use his size to give Brady a safe spot to throw it to are just nuts. Even more impressively, these guys are catching passes all over the field. In recent games, BB and BOB seemed to be specifically getting Gronk some work catching passes along the middle-deep sideline, and he's been as great there as everywhere else. Hernandez has always run more typical WR routes.

I think these players' improvements have at times been counterbalanced by some problems along the offensive line, stemming mostly from having to adjust after losing our long-time center, while also working in a rookie starter (due to Vollmer's prolonged absence) and a new veteran at RG. While both Waters and Solder have looked good winning their one-on-one matchups, one has to wonder if their newness to the Pats' offense is responsible for the rash of missed assignments that plagued the offense early in the season.

In the end, I see the 2010 offense as one playing right up against their overall lower ceiling. The 2011 offense hasn't been able to play as tightly with the same consistency, but I think this offense doesn't have the limitations that the Jets were able to take advantage of in last year's postseason.
 
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In this case, I think points per drive is the more useful metric. In 2010, the Pats averaged 2.9 pts per drive compared to 2.79 in 2011. The difference of 0.2 is actually pretty close to the the difference in expected points between starting drives at the 33 vs. 29 yard lines is 0.3. Now, you can't really create an 'adjusted points per drive' that simply, but still -- it does lend support to your argument that a better average starting field position makes the 2010 offense look better.

Did you exclude the defensive and ST's points or is that included in your percentages?

Also where did you get the drive totals from? I would like to be able to look up that type of info.

And overall a great post yourself.
 
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Looking at all the data you guys have mined for the Pats offense, they really look pretty even for both years, Im not sure what the guy on the F & M shows point was but the differences are really minimal, overall I like this year's offense better because Welkers healthier and Gronk and Hernandez have another year under their belt.
 
Can we just say both offenses were great?

I bet 2010 would have more points scored if they decided to go with the 2 TE attack earlier in the season. There were a few games where they forced it to Moss before finally releasing him.
 
2010 offense > 2011 Offense

2010 - 3rd down conversions 95/197, 1,973 yds rushing, 65 TDS. against a tougher schedule than 2011

2011 - 3rd down conversions 89/194, 1,764 yds rushing, 61 TDS. the 2011 Pats offense did not beat any teams with a final winning record.


2010 offense - one and done in the play offs

2011 offense - ????????????????????????????
 
I think the tendency is to discount just how amazing efficient the 2010 offense was because of how the season ended. One shouldn't -- the poor timing of the offense having its worst game of the season doesn't change what it was able to do the rest of the year. The 2010 offense's performance was one for the ages in a way that this year's hasn't been.

Agree and it makes the playoff loss all the more bitter. I believe it really came down to Hernandez being hurt. The Jets could handle 2 of Gronk/Welker/Hernandez, but not all 3. Looks like all 3 are operating at 100% entering the playoffs this year.

The question is, how does one reconcile the observable drop-off in scoring efficiency with the fact that three of the team's best offensive play-makers are equally observably operating at a higher level than they were last year.

It comes down to turnovers. People forget that the 2010 team was historically stingy on ending drives with mistakes. I believe they set a record for fewest turnovers and I bet (though I don't have the stats to prove it) that the offense committed relatively few drive-killing penalties.

The 2011 offense has committed more turnovers (mostly pinball picks from Brady) and has stalled a good number of drives with penalties (your OL shuffle observation). If they clean up both of these areas for the playoffs, they have to feel good about their chances.
 
Great thread! I don't necessarily agree with your conclusion, though.

You raise a truly salient point when you bring up the difference in average starting field position, but I think that 'yards per drive' is sort of a 'neither here nor there' stat. For an offense that scores a lot, yards per drive is increased by poorer average field position, a variation due not to the offense being any better, but there simply being more field to cover.

In this case, I think points per drive is the more useful metric. In 2010, the Pats averaged 2.9 pts per drive compared to 2.79 in 2011. The difference of 0.2 is actually pretty close to the the difference in expected points between starting drives at the 33 vs. 29 yard lines is 0.3. Now, you can't really create an 'adjusted points per drive' that simply, but still -- it does lend support to your argument that a better average starting field position makes the 2010 offense look better.

That said, there are some areas in which the Patriots' offense got worse that aren't really affected by starting field position. The 2011 Patriots turned the ball over on 9.2% of their possessions compared to 5.7% of the time in 2010, which amounted to a ~60% increase in turnover rate. (Though the good news is that after throwing 10 INTs in the first 8 games, Brady threw 2 the rest of the way.)

Still, I think that in terms of point production efficiency, you can at best argue that the two offenses were roughly equivalent, and this is all before you take into consideration that the '10 offense faced a significantly more difficult slate of defenses.

I think the tendency is to discount just how amazing efficient the 2010 offense was because of how the season ended. One shouldn't -- the poor timing of the offense having its worst game of the season doesn't change what it was able to do the rest of the year. The 2010 offense's performance was one for the ages in a way that this year's hasn't been.

The question is, how does one reconcile the observable drop-off in scoring efficiency with the fact that three of the team's best offensive play-makers are equally observably operating at a higher level than they were last year.

Welker was clearly hampered by his knee rehab last year, and this season, he's even managed to add a new facet to his game, catching opposing d-backs off guard by running more deep posts and fly routes. And do I even need to get into the work being done by Gronk and Hernandez this season? Gronk's YAC has been ridiculous, his hands unbelievable, and his body control and ability to use his size to give Brady a safe spot to throw it to are just nuts. Even more impressively, these guys are catching passes all over the field. In recent games, BB and BOB seemed to be specifically getting Gronk some work catching passes along the middle-deep sideline, and he's been as great there as everywhere else. Hernandez has always run more typical WR routes.

I think these players' improvements have at times been counterbalanced by some problems along the offensive line, stemming mostly from having to adjust after losing our long-time center, while also working in a rookie starter (due to Vollmer's prolonged absence) and a new veteran at RG. While both Waters and Solder have looked good winning their one-on-one matchups, one has to wonder if their newness to the Pats' offense is responsible for the rash of missed assignments that plagued the offense early in the season.

In the end, I see the 2010 offense as one playing right up against their overall lower ceiling. The 2011 offense hasn't been able to play as tightly with the same consistency, but I think this offense doesn't have the limitations that the Jets were able to take advantage of in last year's postseason.

Awesome post. I think we should probably also factor in Brady's mid-season injury (clear dip in play after the Dallas game and it wasn't until the Philadelphia game that he appeared to be near healthy again).

Counter-balancing the increase in effectiveness from Welker, Gronk, and Hernandez was the drop in Branch's effectiveness. He is nowhere near the same player he was last year, especially in those first few games after rejoining the team. He started dipping at the end of the regular season last year (probably after teams adjusted how to cover him in the Pats scheme) and has been a shadow since.
 
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