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We all know Brady can still get it done in the snow, so we'll see how motivated he is and how it all unfolds.

It would be a nice record to hold along with his 50td etc

Yes Brady threw for 370 in the snow vs TEN, and sat out the last quarter or so, yet people fear he can't pass 300 against WSH, DEN, MIA, BUF, IND etc. in the snow, all who might finish worse than that 8-8 Titans team, and Brady wasn't even healthy that year (though to be fair, he had Moss who is better than anyone on our current roster).
 
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The Patriots won't be easing up. If Brady is playing well, BB will give him a chance to break Marino's record.

If Brady wants to set it.

After all, (A) he may not care about that one; (B) whether it's correlation or causation, I don't know, but the passing leader has never won a Super Bowl in the same year.
 
Yes Brady threw for 370 in the snow vs TEN, and sat out the last quarter or so, yet people fear he can't pass 300 against WSH, DEN, MIA, BUF, IND etc. in the snow, all who might finish worse than that 8-8 Titans team, and Brady wasn't even healthy that year (though to be fair, he had Moss who is better than anyone on our current roster).




At this time of year snow/rain isn't the issue WIND is the issue, the games later in the year tend to be windier which makes passing the pass more difficult. While GB is cold it doesn't seem to see the wind yo see in say Buffalo, the Meadowlands or Foxboro.

If the games don't feature a lot of wind we could see the record broken.

I think the Pats will have to run the table, so they will have the foot to the pedal the whole way.
 
Here's how to sharpen your analysis:

Create a scatterplot of TB's passing yards vs. opponents' average passing yards allowed.

I just did. Brady's yards v. defensive passing YPG does in fact have r^2 = 0.16, but that's only if you include Brady's yards.

If you calculate opposing passing YPG without Brady's games, r^2 is flat out zero.

That said, if you compare Brady's YPA to opponent YPAs, there's an even stronger correlation: r^2 = 0.34, and r = +0.58.

Take out Brady's yardage, and it drops down to r^2 = 0.114.
 
Yes Brady threw for 370 in the snow vs TEN, and sat out the last quarter or so, yet people fear he can't pass 300 against WSH, DEN, MIA, BUF, IND etc. in the snow, all who might finish worse than that 8-8 Titans team, and Brady wasn't even healthy that year (though to be fair, he had Moss who is better than anyone on our current roster).

Never said that he couldn't. That would be foolish. Just saying that he shouldn't need to pass for 300 yards to win these games. Also, looking at the past 5 Brady seasons in December (25 games):

Over 300 yards: 7 times (28%)...6-1 record
200-300 yards: 7 times (28%)...7-0 record
Under 200 yards: 8 times (32%)...7-1 record
Part-time Brady: 3 times (12%)...1-2 record

This says to me that Brady's yardage is all over the place in December but he does what is necessary to win (20-2 record). Also says that Hoyer/Mallett should be ready for some snaps in week #17. So assuming that Brady will throw for over 300 yards for all these games just because he can doesn't hold up against history. FYI, I didn't include 2001-2004 since Brady never threw for 300 yards in December during those years (really never came close).

The thinking that Belichick is going to allow an arms race with Brees to get the yardage record seems equally flawed. Brees is fighting for both the division and a 1st round bye, plays 4 of 5 games in a dome (other in Tennessee) and runs an offense even more pass-heavy than the Pats. To overcome this (and Brees' 60 yard lead), Belichick would have to expose Brady to a lot of abuse...likely in games that are already won. The 2007 Giant game was done for 16-0 which had never been done. Getting Brady killed for a chance (pending a Brees injury, a slight chance) at Marino's record is crazy.
 
We all know Brady can still get it done in the snow, so we'll see how motivated he is and how it all unfolds.

It would be a nice record to hold along with his 50td etc

It's amazing how lucky we are as fans to be witnessing such greatness by Brady. Players like him don't come along very often. This is only his 10th full season, and he can quite possibly wind up with 40,000 passing yards and 300 TD's by the end of it. 300 TD's equals John Elway's career total, and would tie Brady for 5th all time. Wrap your brain around that for a minute. FIFTH all time. Imagine if he didn't miss the 2008 season, which would have been another full season of Moss and Welker, as well as it would have been the revenge season after failing to win SB 42. I can easily see another 30+ TD's and another 4,000 yard season. Hello, he threw for almost 4400 yards the season after he blew out his knee.

Brady is a generational talent, we are so lucky to have witnessed his career so far. For us oldtimers like myself, who saw horrendous QB play by the Pats for many years (Tommy Hodson comes to mind), I feel lucky to have seen his whole career so far.
 
I can see those projections. 340 against Denver though, I doubt it.
 
I think that all five teams will come out throwing against our defense, which is one of if not the worst pass defending teams in the history of the NFL. (IE: See the beginning of the Eagles game)

If they gain an early lead on us, it will force Brady to have to chunk it a ton, regardless of the weather.

If we gain the lead, I expect us to run as much as possible depending on if our O line can open some holes, otherwise Brady in chunking it some more.
 
People need to stop saying that Brady will ease up, we're fighting for a first round bye too, not just the saints. Yes it will be windy, yes we may run the ball more but we definitely have alot to play for still.
 
I just did. Brady's yards v. defensive passing YPG does in fact have r^2 = 0.16, but that's only if you include Brady's yards.

If you calculate opposing passing YPG without Brady's games, r^2 is flat out zero.

That said, if you compare Brady's YPA to opponent YPAs, there's an even stronger correlation: r^2 = 0.34, and r = +0.58.

Take out Brady's yardage, and it drops down to r^2 = 0.114.

That's funny. Of course, you want to take out Brady's yards! I totally blanked on that. That's a classic example of the part/whole problem in classical item analysis. :)

BTW, The R-square stat from a regression of one variable on another is just the square of the Pearson product moment correlation between the two variables.

R-square = .16 is that same as |r| = .40. They are non-negligible, but it's a moot point since that correlation is an artifact of the part-whole problem of including TB's yards.
 
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Here's how to sharpen your analysis:

Create a scatterplot of TB's passing yards vs. opponents' average passing yards allowed.
Determine the functional form of the relationship. Linear? Quadratic?
I assume the relationship is negative: Fewer passing yards when opponent is better at pass defending. But, you can see.
Look for weirdness. Outliers?

If you've taken a couple of stats courses, you could go on to try this:

Regress TB's yards on average yards allowed. Include a quadratic term if that will get the functional form right as per your exploration by way of scatterplot.

You really want to use autoregressive techniques because your independence assumption is shot to hell by chronological relationships, Autoregressive model - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. But, I would squint past that "little" problem. Your bigger problems have to do with extrapolating beyond the range of your data into the cold weather etc.

Anyhow, once you fit your model, you can use your fitted model to generate predictions for the rest of the games. With regression you can always add more variables to your model. I would suggest game temperature if we had a few cold weather games, but it's been a very mild fall. You could consider dipping into past seasons, but then you have to deal with that non-independence with a multilevel model of games clustered within seasons, but it's probably worth the added complexity.

where does this myth come from that cold weather = less passing??? IT'S RAIN AND/OR WIND people not "cold weather games"....here's a trivia question for you....what were the conditions on the field when the all time record for TDs in a single quarter was set? hint: not in a dome
 
Well I checked at PFR and found the following Stats:

From 2004 to 2010 TFB averaged 2665 Yds over the first 10 games with a Std Dev of 344 yds. In 2011 he is 1,7 StdDev above this mean.

From 2004 to 2010 TFB averaged 1407 Yds over Games 11-16 with a Std Dev of 199 Yds.

So assuming he will stay 1,7 StdDevs above mean he is on pace for 5019 Yds. Of Course he hase already one more 370 Yd Game under his belt and he plays a cup cake schedule so that might be a tad low.

Overall TFB Average 30 yds per game less in the back half of his Schedule, but there are a few sit Starter Games included, so I am not completely how much of this is weather related.
 
People need to stop saying that Brady will ease up, we're fighting for a first round bye too, not just the saints. Yes it will be windy, yes we may run the ball more but we definitely have alot to play for still.

I doubt this team will neglect the pass, they seem to pass just to pass sometimes. I can see the idea of slowing down late but this team likes to prove they are the best before they take it easy and rest.
 
Bill is not going to put Hoyer in this sunday, there is no love for Indy, look for 450yds 3tds. and payback vs Bills like 03. toughest match may be Denver's D if the Tebow train hasn't been derailed by then. He may a decent shot at Marino

All that stated, who cares, Patriots had arguably the greatest season ever with the exception of one game and the only thing that we ever hear is "Patriots haven't won anything in seven years" 07 has been discounted to zero.
 
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