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signbabybrady · Oct 31, 2011

Dont get me wrong I dont think this defense is going to magically turn into a nasty defense.

But might there have been a little shell shock type effect a la Milloy after the cutting of Bodden. And if after this game these guys can trust their coach and get over it like they did in 03 then maybe the Secondary and D can start getting better. Not 03 better but just get better.

Lets face it the strenght of this secondary is going to come from McCourty, Chung, and Arrington. Bodden wasnt playing the 4th safety and wasnt playing the nickle causing them to manage him and he didnt light the world on fire as no one really has in the secondary so lets get over it and hope the defense takes the Bodden cutting and subsequent pour performance to heart the way the 03 team did.

Worst case scenario your offense has to score more then 30 in a few straight playoff games not the best path but possible.

primetime · Oct 31, 2011

The secondary was a dumpster fire before Bodden was cut and a dumpster fire after Bodden was cut. The move may have been puzzling but the pass defense is historically bad and there doesn't seem to be any hope that it's turning the corner, and cutting a guy isn't going to change that.

The offense can't win games unless the defense can make stops, which it has proven unable to do. The Steelers had the ball for 2/3 of the game, it would have been insane if the Patriots had won.

signbabybrady · Oct 31, 2011

primetime said:
The secondary was a dumpster fire before Bodden was cut and a dumpster fire after Bodden was cut. The move may have been puzzling but the pass defense is historically bad and there doesn't seem to be any hope that it's turning the corner, and cutting a guy isn't going to change that.

The offense can't win games unless the defense can make stops, which it has proven unable to do. The Steelers had the ball for 2/3 of the game, it would have been insane if the Patriots had won.

31-0 drubbing to the Bills after cutting Milloy and the team hated their coach and it was over. All I am saying is lets not get to caught up in yesterday as it was one crappy game out of a secondary and D that has played crappy already but also up until yesterday was showing signs of improvement. I think if they put yesterday and Bodden in the rearview mirror that this D can continue to get better and help you win games instead of just hold onto games for the offense. And again by saying improve and talking about 03 I am not trying to say this D will play that good but it can just play better.

hlywoodjp · Oct 31, 2011

I know you said worse case, but its really hard to score 30 against good teams if the defense can't get off the field and your possessions are limited on offense.

futuristicdart · Oct 31, 2011

Bringing up 03 and comparing the Milloy and Bodden situation does not help to reel me back in.

Maybe if we had players like, Seymour, Bruschi, Vrabel, McGinest, Law, Harrison...etc then maybe I could be reeled in by such an arguement.

patsfan-1982 · Oct 31, 2011

Bodden was not a Good CB Lawyer Milloy was a all Pro SS no one would care if they had someone other then Antwaun Molden to take he's place

chris_in_sunnyvale · Oct 31, 2011

It worked.

I think part of yesterday's debacle was attributed to overconfidence (i.e. 39-26 win last year). It looked like the Pats had a gameplan to pick apart the zone blitz and be ready for Big Ben chucking it deep; When the Steelers switched up on them, they were caught offguard and adjusted poorly.

I like "Ticked Off Pats" better than "Satisfied Pats".

Ticked Off Pats lose to the 1-12 Dolphins in 2004, then run the table. Ticked Off Pats lose 34-20 to Pittsburgh on Halloween 2004, then win 41-27 in the AFCCG. Ticked Off Pats lose to Cleveland last year, then finish with an 8-game scoring binge never seen in the latter half of any Pats season in history (including 2007).

Satisfied Pats win 45-3 over NYJ, then lose 28-21 in the playoffs.

I'm expecting a lot more Ticked Off Pats going forward.

Regards,
Chris

PATSYLICIOUS · Oct 31, 2011

If the pass D is still this bad in December then I'll panic. Right now it's good to be 5-2 despite all the chaos in that defense.

Like I said in other threads, we have 2 things going for us- we can stop the run and we play well in the red zone. You'll always be in games if you do those two. If the coverage improves as I suspect it will with more continuity and experience, we can see a turnaround similar to last year's down the stretch.

Ring 6 · Oct 31, 2011

chris_in_sunnyvale said:
It worked.

I think part of yesterday's debacle was attributed to overconfidence (i.e. 39-26 win last year). It looked like the Pats had a gameplan to pick apart the zone blitz and be ready for Big Ben chucking it deep; When the Steelers switched up on them, they were caught offguard and adjusted poorly.

I like "Ticked Off Pats" better than "Satisfied Pats".

Ticked Off Pats lose to the 1-12 Dolphins in 2004, then run the table. Ticked Off Pats lose 34-20 to Pittsburgh on Halloween 2004, then win 41-27 in the AFCCG. Ticked Off Pats lose to Cleveland last year, then finish with an 8-game scoring binge never seen in the latter half of any Pats season in history (including 2007).

Satisfied Pats win 45-3 over NYJ, then lose 28-21 in the playoffs.

I'm expecting a lot more Ticked Off Pats going forward.

Regards,
Chris

I do not think it is unreasonable that when 2 good teams face each other and one has dominated the other by beating them in the same fashion, that when the other totally completely alters its game plan on both sides of the ball it can come into the game with a confidence vs overconfidence advantage and then it builds as they succeed.

fgssand · Oct 31, 2011

Let's just put this game in perspective - it was an October game that would have been nice to win, but certainly was not a must by any means.

All we need to do is beat a couple of very beatable NY teams and all will be right in our world.

Our defense is not as bad as we saw yesterday, I am certain our defensive backfield play will improve as the season plays out. A few timely stops on some third and longs yesterday and the outcome would have been much different.

The whole idea here is to be playing our very best ball come November & December and then peak in January......if we can do that, we juts might have a game to play in Feb.

5-2 is not a bad record at all.

IllegalContact · Oct 31, 2011

signbabybrady said:
Dont get me wrong I dont think this defense is going to magically turn into a nasty defense.

But might there have been a little shell shock type effect a la Milloy after the cutting of Bodden. And if after this game these guys can trust their coach and get over it like they did in 03 then maybe the Secondary and D can start getting better. Not 03 better but just get better.

Lets face it the strenght of this secondary is going to come from McCourty, Chung, and Arrington. Bodden wasnt playing the 4th safety and wasnt playing the nickle causing them to manage him and he didnt light the world on fire as no one really has in the secondary so lets get over it and hope the defense takes the Bodden cutting and subsequent pour performance to heart the way the 03 team did.

Worst case scenario your offense has to score more then 30 in a few straight playoff games not the best path but possible.

there is no shock effect that can compensate for crappy talent

Ring 6 · Oct 31, 2011

fgssand said:
Let's just put this game in perspective - it was an October game that would have been nice to win, but certainly was not a must by any means.

All we need to do is beat a couple of very beatable NY teams and all will be right in our world.

Our defense is not as bad as we saw yesterday, I am certain our defensive backfield play will improve as the season plays out. A few timely stops on some third and longs yesterday and the outcome would have been much different.

The whole idea here is to be playing our very best ball come November & December and then peak in January......if we can do that, we juts might have a game to play in Feb.

5-2 is not a bad record at all.

Plus the following game home vs KC.
That could put this team in 3 weeks 8-2 with Philly, 4 straight cupcakes and Buffalo at home left on the schedule.
Let's see where we are in 21 days.

ausbacker · Oct 31, 2011

There was considerably more talent on the 2003 Defense than the 2011 Defense. They'd also experienced a championship and knew what it took to get to that level.

BradyFTW! · Oct 31, 2011

primetime said:
The secondary was a dumpster fire before Bodden was cut and a dumpster fire after Bodden was cut. The move may have been puzzling but the pass defense is historically bad and there doesn't seem to be any hope that it's turning the corner, and cutting a guy isn't going to change that.

The offense can't win games unless the defense can make stops, which it has proven unable to do. The Steelers had the ball for 2/3 of the game, it would have been insane if the Patriots had won.

Just because you're the worst in the league by a single, relatively arbitrary measure, does not mean that you can't get worse. I seem to remember the Pats forcing quite a few three and outs against the Jets and Cowboys.

Seacoast Fan · Oct 31, 2011

signbabybrady said:
31-0 drubbing to the Bills after cutting Milloy and the team hated their coach and it was over. All I am saying is lets not get to caught up in yesterday as it was one crappy game out of a secondary and D that has played crappy already but also up until yesterday was showing signs of improvement. I think if they put yesterday and Bodden in the rearview mirror that this D can continue to get better and help you win games instead of just hold onto games for the offense. And again by saying improve and talking about 03 I am not trying to say this D will play that good but it can just play better.

And, its not like Pittsburgh is some crappy team, they've won multiple SBs. They have a great coaching staff, the QB, putting aside personal issues, is certainly a top ten QB if not top 5, they've got some great players who were sick of listening to the media talk about what a bunch of azz-whoopings they've gotten from the Pats, and they were at home.
I'm not making excuses, the Pats sucked in all phases of the game, were outcoached, and their secondary was accurately described above as a dumpster fire. But, geez, its one game.

Seacoast Fan · Oct 31, 2011

PATSYLICIOUS said:
If the pass D is still this bad in December then I'll panic. Right now it's good to be 5-2 despite all the chaos in that defense.

Like I said in other threads, we have 2 things going for us- we can stop the run and we play well in the red zone. You'll always be in games if you do those two. If the coverage improves as I suspect it will with more continuity and experience, we can see a turnaround similar to last year's down the stretch.

I am not sure I agree that stopping the run keeps you in games, if your secondary is giving up 400 yds per. But the red zone comment is right on, that is what kept us in that game with a chance to win at the end, as terribly as the Pats were outplayed otherwise.
Should have never on-side kicked. That was stupid.
But, right now, its one game.

RodThePat · Oct 31, 2011

Seacoast Fan said:
I am not sure I agree that stopping the run keeps you in games, if your secondary is giving up 400 yds per. But the red zone comment is right on, that is what kept us in that game with a chance to win at the end, as terribly as the Pats were outplayed otherwise.
Should have never on-side kicked. That was stupid.
But, right now, its one game.

How exactly did the onside kick hurt our chances? It was the right decision.

DonBlackmon55 · Oct 31, 2011

signbabybrady said:
31-0 drubbing to the Bills after cutting Milloy and the team hated their coach and it was over. All I am saying is lets not get to caught up in yesterday as it was one crappy game out of a secondary and D that has played crappy already but also up until yesterday was showing signs of improvement. I think if they put yesterday and Bodden in the rearview mirror that this D can continue to get better and help you win games instead of just hold onto games for the offense. And again by saying improve and talking about 03 I am not trying to say this D will play that good but it can just play better.

Remind me who were the other DB's on that team ????????
Let me give you a hint.....Rodney, Wilson, Law, Asante, Poole......and then compare them to the DB's on this team now minus Bodden. Got a reality check now ?

As BB has said before, each team(annually) has its own personality. To compare Milloy release which happened 8 friggin years ago to today with only 5 players from that team on this roster, Brady & Branch & Koppen & Light & Faulk, is idiotic and grasping for straws if attempting to use as somekind of a rallying cry, as they hate their coach.

IcyPatriot · Oct 31, 2011

We lost to 2 of the better AFC teams this year ... not sure why anyone would jump ship on that. When we lose to a sub .500 team then maybe I panick for 5 minutes or so.

BradyFTW! · Nov 1, 2011

IcyPatriot said:
We lost to 2 of the better AFC teams this year ... not sure why anyone would jump ship on that. When we lose to a sub .500 team then maybe I panick for 5 minutes or so.

Losing to the good teams doesn't exactly bode well for your playoff chances.

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