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I don't loathe the Chiefs or anything. I also harbor no special feelings towards them. I bet BB was just thrilled and flattered when the Jets showed much they value our organization by landing Mangini to be their HC...

I'll break it down even more simply,

Reasons to like the Chiefs:

Reasons to not like the Chiefs: Todd Haley, poaching Scott Pioli, they're in our conference, Bernard Pollard and the hit

So you must not like the Patriots, then, since they've poached all manner of coaches and players from other teams.
 
I don't loathe the Chiefs or anything. I also harbor no special feelings towards them. I bet BB was just thrilled and flattered when the Jets showed much they value our organization by landing Mangini to be their HC...

I'll break it down even more simply,

Reasons to like the Chiefs:

Reasons to not like the Chiefs: Todd Haley, poaching Scott Pioli, they're in our conference, Bernard Pollard and the hit
It's not about liking or disliking it's more the application of a common mentality when it comes to entitlements and business dealings in the NFL. If you apply the same theory to the Patriots business conduct, then it's nonsensical.

For the record, I'm ambivalent to most NFL teams and neither like nor dislike them (more I enjoy the NFL as a product).
 
So you must not like the Patriots, then, since they've poached all manner of coaches and players from other teams.

The Pats were the biggest poachers of all! Belichick was the HC of the NYJ for a New York minute and just dumped them.

No wonder Jets fans are such bitter *******s. Imagine how that must feel, knowing that you had greatness and let it slip through your fingers.

But hating the Chiefs solely for Pollard and the fact that Haley is a douchebag is fine with me.

Haters gonna hate!
 
It's not about liking or disliking it's more the application of a common mentality when it comes to entitlements and business dealings in the NFL. If you apply the same theory to the Patriots business conduct, then it's nonsensical.

For the record, I'm ambivalent to most NFL teams and neither like nor dislike them (more I enjoy the NFL as a product).

Are you a native Aussie though? There are cultural differences to take into consideration. It's quite possible that we Americans are more prone to being jerks and being in the Northeast only amplifies the situation.

I mean, the English basically gave you guys a sweet Island with killer waves, great beaches, and cool wildlife like Kangaroos and Wallabies and ****. Meanwhile we had to kill a bunch of them to get where we are today.

And the NY-Boston rivalry really goes back to then as everybody knows that we forcibly removed the British fleet from Boston Harbor while the Tory ***** in NY were having them over for dinner and ****. True story.
 
Are you a native Aussie though? There are cultural differences to take into consideration. It's quite possible that we Americans are more prone to being jerks and being in the Northeast only amplifies the situation.

I mean, the English basically gave you guys a sweet Island with killer waves, great beaches, and cool wildlife like Kangaroos and Wallabies and ****. Meanwhile we had to kill a bunch of them to get where we are today.

And the NY-Boston rivalry really goes back to then as everybody knows that we forcibly removed the British fleet from Boston Harbor while the Tory ***** in NY were having them over for dinner and ****. True story.
I sure am and I'm well aware. I'm the type of person who likes to read and research things. The Boston-NY division was one of the first things I looked at when I decided Boston sports area teams were for me ;).

And being a jerk isn't confined to geography (but those tales would bore you).
 
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Reasons to not like the Chiefs: Todd Haley, poaching Scott Pioli, they're in our conference, Bernard Pollard and the hit

If you dislike them for "poaching" Scott Pioli, then you are just being silly. Scot WANTED to leave. He clearly felt he needed to get out from under Belichick's shadow. To spread his wings, per se. I'd rather have Pioli on the West Coast and only face him once every 3 years than the GM of an AFC East team.
 
So you must not like the Patriots, then, since they've poached all manner of coaches and players from other teams.

Yeah, totally, man. You got it!
 
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If you dislike them for "poaching" Scott Pioli, then you are just being silly. Scot WANTED to leave. He clearly felt he needed to get out from under Belichick's shadow. To spread his wings, per se. I'd rather have Pioli on the West Coast and only face him once every 3 years than the GM of an AFC East team.

Definitely agree with the last part. I consider it poaching because we got nothing in return for compensation (I didn't include Cassel for a reason). And, sure, Pioli was going to leave eventually. It doesn't mean we can't snarl at the team that took him.
 
I feel bad for the Chiefs. They had built themselves into respectability, then devastating injuries derail their season. They are in big trouble over there in KC. Can Cassel and the other players step it up, or is it over already?


F the Chiefs. Their DL took out Brady in '08. Injuries are part of the game, suck it up and play. If they want to pack it in then its their business.
This is the NFL = Not For Losers.
 
And the NY-Boston rivalry really goes back to then as everybody knows that we forcibly removed the British fleet from Boston Harbor while the Tory ***** in NY were having them over for dinner and ****. True story.

I knew it! Damn New Yawkahs!
 
Honestly, long-term I'm not sure this is bad for them. Let's say they fire Haley, hire a better-than-crap coach, and then auction off the #1 overall pick to some QB-desperate team that's willing to pay a king's ransom for it. How are they not better off as a result? At that point, if they continue to regress, it will be purely because they refuse to spend money to build depth.


As for poaching Pioli, I love the guy for what he did in New England, but the Pats have done just fine in the draft and free agency since he left. I'm not going to begrudge a guy wanting to forge his own legacy, and I'm not going to begrudge the team that enables him to do that, especially if it doesn't harm the Patriots in any noticeable way. Whatever dislike I have for the Chiefs is confined strictly to Haley and the fact that Bernard Pollard played for them. All of which is probably outweighed by how much I like Matt Cassel anyways.
 
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As I alluded to in the other thread, I've been reading Chiefs Planet all day and cracking up
 
Definitely agree with the last part. I consider it poaching because we got nothing in return for compensation (I didn't include Cassel for a reason). And, sure, Pioli was going to leave eventually. It doesn't mean we can't snarl at the team that took him.

Teams cannot prevent anyone who doesn't have final say over personnel (which Pioli didn't) from accepting a GM role that does, and cannot get compensation if it happens.

Ditto for any assistant coach being offered a head coach gig.
 
Yeah, aware of that. It was still an uncompensated loss of valued staff brought on by KC.
 
Pioli was gone that year whether it was KC or someone else. I even think Cassel emerging and being available was appealing to him as a launching point. He just apparently stalled a little too long to land in Denver and the timing wasn't quite right to land in a more coveted situation and/or he chose KC specifically because it was ripe for overhaul (Tuna's trick) and a little off the beaten path. I think it was a mistake for him to go to a fiscally troubled franchise because it feeds his inner cheapskate. His huge mistake though was in not having a firm plan and understanding with Ferentz or someone else that when I go you come... Then in order to land someone with some (and it was limited) exposure to the system, he chose the tempermental flavor of the month OC whose team had just been to a Superbowl through little fault of his... Haley was just along for the ride there, as he generally has been in his limited career. He was the one coaching assistant that Bill didn't poach after escaping from the swamp. He was also a guy Bill didn't bring to the swamp. And when the swamp let him go Bill still didn't roll out the welcome mat...

I think Scott is in way over his head in KC. I've come to realize he may in fact suffer from a syndrome often displayed on this board, the I'm a cheaper hardliner than Bill syndrome. When Bill in fact is more open than most to trying new and/or seemingly out of character things than most. I think like most of Bill's protogees, Scott got a lot out of simply being exposed to genius, but he didn't grasp some of the thought complexity or subtle nuances that allow Bill to thrive and achieve. Haley wouldn't have lasted a season with Bill. He's an arrogant alienator and an unaccountable finger pointer and he hadn't remotely earned a shot at HCing.

Pioli's big problem in hiring him is Scott professes the belief that a GM's job is to provide the HC with what he needs. Only if it's also your job to hire said HC, you better be pretty sure he knows what he's doing and he isn't going to point the finger back atcha when he falls flat on his face... Haley undercut Cassel from the day he arrived. Then he almost got him killed in an attempt to win out of the gate in a rebuild. Now he's screwed the pooch on his and the entire offense's development with his revolving door OC's. The current one is apparently a puppet and they've devised some insane playcalling sequence that apparently entails calls being relayed through intermediaries... He envisions himself as some sort of WR guru, yet all his retained or selected talent remains inconsistent if not problematic. I only saw snipets of the game this week on RedZone, but the unraveling was well under way before Matt threw his first pick...which hit the WR in the hands...so I assumed it was Bowe...

The only one I feel for now is Matt. He's no Tom Brady, but he earned his shot the hard way and he's a competent starting NFL QB only once again he's being screwed over by coaching decisions beyond his control just like he was at USC...

I believe I read a tweet the other day that Mike Silver claims the relationship between Pioli and Haley is reaching dysfunctional level. Matt is becoming collateral damage, caught in the crossfire.
 
Could you imagine the language here, if BJGE got taken out by Rory the Lion?

I'm pretty sure he wrenched his knee before he hit Rory, but still could you imagine the outrage?? The Chiefs are toast, hopefully they can still beat the Raiders, but I doubt it, they can't keep Cassel upright, and now without Charles, have no chance. the only thing that reamins to be seen is how long does it take Pioli to fire Haley??

Once he does, who gets the job? McDaniels? how bout Charley or Romeo? I thought that the Cleveland guys liked playing for Romeo, he just didn't have any talent on his team.
 
Definitely agree with the last part. I consider it poaching because we got nothing in return for compensation (I didn't include Cassel for a reason). And, sure, Pioli was going to leave eventually. It doesn't mean we can't snarl at the team that took him.

Again, they didn't TAKE Pioli. Pioli opted to leave. There is a difference. And there wasn't any "compensation" because it's not required by the league.
 
I just wish we had the Chiefs 1st round pick next year instead of the Saints...

I do feel bad for Cassell, but that team is going to be really, really, bad this year. I think 1-15 is probably about where they end up. They can either take Andrew Luck or trade the pick to some team for a ton of picks.
 
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