Haynesworth sentencing; league & fan response; legal & NFL discipline (merged)

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Either way, it'll be nice to get this issue off the table and this was the first step towards that !

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So, what kind of discipline are we looking at here guys? Out for the Miami and San Diego games, back in times for first Jets game?

P.S. As an attorney, I can say that AH's criminal defense lawyer would have been committing malpractice had he not run the no contest to simple assault plea deal past the NFLPA and, quite possibly, the Patriots' general counsel, for their input and assurance that they have each other's back on the deal, and that only after those assurances were given did AH's attorney recommend acceptance of the deal. I'm speculating but the community service hours may be coordinated through the league office where AH does PSA work, etc. - which could only serve to reduce the severity of the league's discipline.

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Does anyone have a citation to the actual statute to which he pled?

Typically, you wouldn't expect a plea like this unless it was to an offense that did not require registration as a sex offender. Not sure of the scheme under which he pled, though.

In any event, he pled guilty to a sexual assault of some variety and he previously stomped on a player's head. He's going to get nicked by the league. We can piss and moan about Goddell or the way the NFL does this sort of stuff, or whatever, but the reality is that there's really only one person to blame here. I'm sure he will take his punishment like a man; I plan on doing the same. I hope the league will take into account that the punishment hurts a team that he was not playing for when these things happened. But if it doesn't, so be it. The Patriots knew what they were buying. He'll get through it, and the real test for me as a Patriots fan is what he's about going forward.

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Mogamedogz said:

Now imagine the girl was your daughter. Let's not tongue in cheek blame the girl for this. He's the idiot who did it.

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NOTHING I wrote was "blaming" the girl!!! I said that Albert quite apparently did something wrong. HOWEVER, his celebrity/$$$ status quite arguably is a factor in how all this has played out and will play out going forward.

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BSR said:

I love how Florio looks at only the Rothlisberger case and not any others in comparison. Then he makes it seem like if it is anything less than 4-6 games its a favor for Kraft when in reality it is more in line with past disciplinary acts.

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So when Haynesworth gets 1 or 2 games he can flame the ignorant masses (see Steeler fans especially) with conspiracy claims. Florio is pure rodent dropping.

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TheSolderKing said:

anything over 2 games is ludicrous. Braylon... what punishment did he get for driving drunk?

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I could be wrong, but I believe everyone gets one get out of jail free card when it comes to substance abuse related charges. You get put in the substance abuse program the first time without any fines/suspensions. After that you start looking at 4 games suspensions. Not sure if the new CBA will have changed this.

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PatsFaninAZ said:

Does anyone have a citation to the actual statute to which he pled?

Typically, you wouldn't expect a plea like this unless it was to an offense that did not require registration as a sex offender. Not sure of the scheme under which he pled, though.

In any event, he pled guilty to a sexual assault of some variety and he previously stomped on a player's head. He's going to get nicked by the league. We can piss and moan about Goddell or the way the NFL does this sort of stuff, or whatever, but the reality is that there's really only one person to blame here. I'm sure he will take his punishment like a man; I plan on doing the same. I hope the league will take into account that the punishment hurts a team that he was not playing for when these things happened. But if it doesn't, so be it. The Patriots knew what they were buying. He'll get through it, and the real test for me as a Patriots fan is what he's about going forward.

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I don't have a link the actual statute but the sexual assault was dropped. He plead to simple assault.

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PatsFaninAZ said:

Does anyone have a citation to the actual statute to which he pled?

Typically, you wouldn't expect a plea like this unless it was to an offense that did not require registration as a sex offender. Not sure of the scheme under which he pled, though.

In any event, he pled guilty to a sexual assault of some variety and he previously stomped on a player's head. He's going to get nicked by the league. We can piss and moan about Goddell or the way the NFL does this sort of stuff, or whatever, but the reality is that there's really only one person to blame here. I'm sure he will take his punishment like a man; I plan on doing the same. I hope the league will take into account that the punishment hurts a team that he was not playing for when these things happened. But if it doesn't, so be it. The Patriots knew what they were buying. He'll get through it, and the real test for me as a Patriots fan is what he's about going forward.

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Ask and ye shall receive. The statute is longer than this but the operative part (including the severe penalty for assaulting the police or law enforcement officials) is reprinted below. This is a class 1 misdemeanor is punished by 12 months in jail and a $2500 fine, either or both, maximum. Assaulting the police is a felony with a 6 months mandatory minimum sentence to serve:

Va. Code § 18.2-57 (2011). Assault and battery


A. Any person who commits a simple assault or assault and battery shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor, and if the person intentionally selects the person against whom a simple assault is committed because of his race, religious conviction, color or national origin, the penalty upon conviction shall include a term of confinement of at least six months, 30 days of which shall be a mandatory minimum term of confinement.

B. However, if a person intentionally selects the person against whom an assault and battery resulting in bodily injury is committed because of his race, religious conviction, color or national origin, the person shall be guilty of a Class 6 felony, and the penalty upon conviction shall include a term of confinement of at least six months, 30 days of which shall be a mandatory minimum term of confinement.

C. In addition, if any person commits an assault or an assault and battery against another knowing or having reason to know that such other person is a judge, a law-enforcement officer as defined hereinafter, a correctional officer as defined in § 53.1-1, a person employed by the Department of Corrections directly involved in the care, treatment or supervision of inmates in the custody of the Department, a firefighter as defined in § 65.2-102, or a volunteer firefighter or lifesaving or rescue squad member who is a member of a bona fide volunteer fire department or volunteer rescue or emergency medical squad regardless of whether a resolution has been adopted by the governing body of a political subdivision recognizing such firefighters or members as employees, engaged in the performance of his public duties, such person is guilty of a Class 6 felony, and, upon conviction, the sentence of such person shall include a mandatory minimum term of confinement of six months.

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Tunescribe said:

NOTHING I wrote was "blaming" the girl!!! I said that Albert quite apparently did something wrong. HOWEVER, his celebrity/$$$ status quite arguably is a factor in how all this has played out and will play out going forward.

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Not directly... that's why i said "tongue in cheek".

At the end of the day, this punk gets what he deserves.

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PatsFaninAZ said:

In any event, he pled guilty to a sexual assault of some variety .

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please show me proof he pled guilty

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Who cares what crime he pled to (and whether it was guilty or no contest is even less consequential). The league doesn't even have to wait for a conviction to discipline for conduct detrimental to the NFL. They're obviously going to see it as him pleading guilty to sexual assault, because the facts show that he sexually assaulted her. He deserves between one and four games.

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Pujo said:

They're obviously going to see it as him pleading guilty to sexual assault, because the facts show that he sexually assaulted her.

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are you serious? 1. how is it even close to obvious they see it as him pleading guilty to sexual assault. 2. how can you say something with such conviction when you are so utterly incorrect and uninformed? how do you know what the facts show? facts are undisputed.

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Pujo said:

Who cares what crime he pled to (and whether it was guilty or no contest is even less consequential). The league doesn't even have to wait for a conviction to discipline for conduct detrimental to the NFL. They're obviously going to see it as him pleading guilty to sexual assault, because the facts show that he sexually assaulted her. He deserves between one and four games.

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I don't think they would be dropping the charge if there were really any "facts".

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Mogamedogz said:

Now imagine the girl was your daughter. Let's not tongue in cheek blame the girl for this. He's the idiot who did it.

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Not gonna play that game.

When was the last time you were in a diner where alcohol is available, or bar or lounge? These girls play the game with their flirting and their outfits in the hope of getting a bigger tip. I've played in bars for years and it's the same thing everywhere. The waitresses lean over extra far and give those coy smiles because they know the guys love it and the more the guys drink the more they will tip.

It's the way the game is played. These young women don't have any need to work in these places, no one forces them too, but when they work there they also have a choice to be straight up or flirt with the men and they learn real quickly how big the difference is between tips when they act one way as opposed to the other.

I have 2 daughters, and I don't particularly want them to work in a place like that, but it would be their choice if they did.

And let's not forget that she knew exactly who he was, and I have no doubt she was also looking for a big payday from Albert over this. Why else would she have had someone offer a witness $50K to lie on the stand in support of her allegations?

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billdog3484 said:

are you serious? 1. how is it even close to obvious they see it as him pleading guilty to sexual assault. 2. how can you say something with such conviction when you are so utterly incorrect and uninformed? how do you know what the facts show? facts are undisputed.

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Umm, he pled guilty to simple assault, which tells me that "an incident" did happen. Now, since said incident involved grabbing a woman's breasts, we can conclude that it was sexual in nature, the legal case notwithstanding because we all understand how plea bargains work. Now, since the league is free to make their own conclusion just like I did, they are going to come to the obvious conclusion that he did sexually assault her.

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Doesn't this place where the perversion occured have ANY cameras to show the incident?

I find it hard to believe that there was not evidence on film to already decide the case days ago?.

This didn't occur in Mom & Pop's Diner.

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Pujo said:

Umm, he pled guilty to simple assault.

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legally speaking, bc thats what we're doing right, please show me where he pled guilty...

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BSR said:

I don't think they would be dropping the charge if there were really any "facts".

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You must not pay much attention to the news, plea bargains are frequently offered in cases where there's good evidence to 1) save the government the expense of a trial and 2) because juries are sometimes unpredictable.

Turning around what you said, I don't think Albert would have accepted a plea bargain if he knew he was innocent.

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billdog3484 said:

legally speaking, bc thats what we're doing right, please show me where he pled guilty...

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"No contest", which has the same effect on the criminal case (but is not an admission of guilt that can be used in a later civil trial).

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Why is this even being compared to Ben Roethlisberger's situation. Ben was accused of Rape.... Twice! He is still facing a civil case for an incident in Lake Tahoe, NV.

I look at no more then a 2 game suspension and even that would surprise me.