Titans pass on Moss who still wants to come home

PatsWickedPissah · May 9, 2011

MoLewisrocks said:
Only Moss had next to nothing to do with that. He had 2 receptions for 32 yards and no TD's in the playoff games preceding that superbowl.

Folks seem to forget that in 2007 the Patriots stellar performance started deteriorating markedly in December as teams DCs using film figured out how to best counter the Patriots' Moss centric scheme. The last victories were not like the precceding blowouts but were squeakers. Unfortunately BB et. al. failed to internalize the changes in defenses sufficiently to counter the Giants' excellent SB gameplan. Bad games by Mankins and the OL didn't help. Since then, the JETS have taken the Giants up the middle and from anywhere blitz D to new levels.

Keyser Söze · May 9, 2011

He is awful, a scumbag and a cancer in the lockerroom.

Yeah, I think BB will pass.

MoLewisrocks · May 9, 2011

PatsWickedPissah said:
Folks seem to forget that in 2007 the Patriots stellar performance started deteriorating markedly in December as teams DCs using film figured out how to best counter the Patriots' Moss centric scheme. The last victories were not like the precceding blowouts but were squeakers. Unfortunately BB et. al. failed to internalize the changes in defenses sufficiently to counter the Giants' excellent SB gameplan. Bad games by Mankins and the OL didn't help. Since then, the JETS have taken the Giants up the middle and from anywhere blitz D to new levels.

You know, it wasn't just the adjustments though. Something inside Moss snapped when he got all that bad pub over the wacky assault charge. He became emotionally fragile and never really recovered his focus after that. They were scared you-know-what'less about even involving him in the offense on the heels of that because they were seeing the out of focus Moss in the flesh and that cat is scary. They got to know him better after the extension. They worked at managing him. But sometimes nothing you do is enough and the sheer behind the scenes effort involved in the managing becomes an overall drain on the system. That's why he won't be back.

Kid~Brady · May 9, 2011

MoLewisrocks said:
Only Moss had next to nothing to do with that. He had 2 receptions for 32 yards and no TD's in the playoff games preceding that superbowl.

So Moss had nothing to do with us making it to the SB in 07' ?

Haley · May 9, 2011

You know, there was a time when Moss did click with the Patriots and things seemed to be working out fine for everyone. I expect that like all things, there is a price at which this deal happens. However, I suspect that the price will be too steep for Moss to realistically sign on.

PATSNUTme · May 9, 2011

If Randy agrees to play a role,not try to be the man, and keep him mouth shut, then he would be worth a roster spot.

I would think that after last year he would have been humbled and understands the reality of his situation.

Gon_Trevil · May 9, 2011

Why?PJ said:
Please God no. Brady was a thousand times better without Moss to stare at. I swear they traded Moss simply so Brady would realize he has other receivers on the field. He was using Moss as a complete crutch and became more of his old self when Moss was tossed. Unless Moss takes a minimum deal and agrees to forfeit his life if he doesn't keep his mouth shut i don't want to see him.

Not that there is really any chance after he attacked the Krafts.

And this is why I'm pretty certain Pats brass isn't interested in Larry Fitzgerald.

I feared Brady was developing too much tunnel vision during his 50 TD season. My fears were confirmed throughout the playoffs, then again in all of '09 and the beginning of '10. He is better off with talented pass catchers across the board than with a prima donna or one guy that stands too much above the rest and commands that the ball be thrown to him constantly.

PatsWickedPissah · May 9, 2011

I'm in the camp that contends that BB, knowing how much effort that HE had to put into managing Moss' psyche was especially sensitive to the toll it took on Brady time and emotions both on and off the field. The Pats style of preparation is intense and all-consuming. Having to lose focus to manage a diva's emotions was just too time consuming. Focus on winning football.

Bobs My Uncle · May 9, 2011

Gon_Trevil said:
And this is why I'm pretty certain Pats brass isn't interested in Larry Fitzgerald.

I feared Brady was developing too much tunnel vision during his 50 TD season. My fears were confirmed throughout the playoffs, then again in all of '09 and the beginning of '10. He is better off with talented pass catchers across the board than with a prima donna or one guy that stands too much above the rest and commands that the ball be thrown to him constantly.

I've heard this stated numerous times by many and could never understand the rationale.

If "tunnel vision" mentality is responsible for 50 TD/season production then bring it on ....... in spades please and thanks.

Rob0729 · May 9, 2011

The Dynasty said:
Brady had the best season in NFL history by any QB in 2007 and Moss was his favorite target. This is why this argument that Brady is better without Moss makes no sense.

While Moss definitely isn't what he was, he could still help the Patriots out. He showed early last year that he still has the ability to stretch defenses and that is what the Patriots lack right now. I think he could definitely help the team out, and I think he would have a completely different attitude after seeing what else is out there and just how good the Patriots organization is. I have said it a few times that all Moss wants now is a ring and I believe he will do anything in his power to do so.

Brady was better with the 2007 version of Randy Moss who no longer exists. WRs hit the age wall fast and hard so time. It appears that Moss has hit that wall. So the argument at this point Moss makes Brady worse is a valid argument.

Moss as a decoy will work only so long. Moss as a WR right now is average at best. Probably much worse. There are better options on the free agent market or via trade than Moss right now.

If Moss wants to sign for the veteran minimum and battle for a roster spot at camp, it might be an option. But Brady locks in on the guy like he is the 2007 version of Moss, not the 2010 version who played like crap on three teams last year and was barely even a decoy on his last team.

Bobs My Uncle · May 9, 2011

Rob0729 said:
But Brady locks in on the guy like he is the 2007 version of Moss, not the 2010 version who played like crap on three teams last year and was barely even a decoy on his last team.

In such case then the problem is with Brady (locking in) and not with Moss.

Rob0729 · May 9, 2011

Bobs My Uncle said:
In such case then the problem is with Brady (locking in) and not with Moss.

It is both their problem. It is Brady's fault for doing it, but since Moss is incapable of winning the one on one or two on one battles he used to it is his fault too. Either way, it is how Moss makes Brady a worse QB because he gets away from what he does best. Which is the point I was making.

No matter who you want to push the blame to, at this point Brady is a better QB and the Pats' offense is a better offense without Moss. Maybe if they made Moss a backup and was in only for a half dozen to a dozen plays, he would be a useful addition. But he isn't a starter on any team anymore.

PatsWickedPissah · May 9, 2011

Rob0729 said:
Brady was better with the 2007 version of Randy Moss who no longer exists. WRs hit the age wall fast and hard so time. It appears that Moss has hit that wall. So the argument at this point Moss makes Brady worse is a valid argument.

Moss as a decoy will work only so long. Moss as a WR right now is average at best. Probably much worse. There are better options on the free agent market or via trade than Moss right now.

If Moss wants to sign for the veteran minimum and battle for a roster spot at camp, it might be an option. But Brady locks in on the guy like he is the 2007 version of Moss, not the 2010 version who played like crap on three teams last year and was barely even a decoy on his last team.

Core to Moss' problem as a 2011 WR is that unlike in his past, he no longer effectively uses his superior height to go up for a jump ball. Older tall WRs should still be able to be effective in this regard despite having lost some vertical leap but he's unwilling or unable to go up for the ball with consistency as his last years as a Patriot showed. Forget blinding speed, the agressive go for the ball big WR is not there. This dropoff led to in increase in Brady's INTs per toss to Moss. Everybody (OCs) sees this; nobody wants this.

TheGodInAGreyHoodie · May 9, 2011

I have no problem giving him a roster spot and a small contract based on him agreeing to play a role, not be a star.

If you may recall I was anti-Moss before it was fashionable to be anti-Moss and immediately after the trade (and before the Vikings debacle) I was frequently accused of being a "hater." Because of my strong support of the trade and my Moss bashing.

Moss is an idiot. But if he gets slapped upside the head hard enough he behaves for a while until he gets comfortable.

He came into the league pissed off that several teams had passed on him. He proceeded to have an unbelievable season. He then got comfortable and gradually declined so bad that the Viking were forced to trade him away. He then got a nasty hit in the head when he went to Oakland.

After a stint in Oakland, he came to NE with a chance to prove he wasn't a bum only worth a fourth round draft pick. And he did prove that to the world. Then once getting a long term contract he got comfortable and started with an attitude problem that began when he first threw Cassel under the bus week 1, all but saying the season was over without Brady.

He got another nasty (even nastier than Oakland or being passed in the draft) slap last year.

I firmly believe that if the Pats take him back he will behave and accept his role, even if that is primarily as a decoy.

But I do not want him on the roster in 2012.

Sign him to a two year deal. Trade him on draft day of 2012 to the highest bidder even if that is only a 2013 7th round pick.

Off The Grid · May 9, 2011

TheGodInAGreyHoodie said:
I have no problem giving him a roster spot and a small contract based on him agreeing to play a role, not be a star.

If you may recall I was anti-Moss before it was fashionable to be anti-Moss and immediately after the trade (and before the Vikings debacle) I was frequently accused of being a "hater." Because of my strong support of the trade and my Moss bashing.

Moss is an idiot. But if he gets slapped upside the head hard enough he behaves for a while until he gets comfortable.

He came into the league pissed off that several teams had passed on him. He proceeded to have an unbelievable season. He then got comfortable and gradually declined so bad that the Viking were forced to trade him away. He then got a nasty hit in the head when he went to Oakland.

After a stint in Oakland, he came to NE with a chance to prove he wasn't a bum only worth a fourth round draft pick. And he did prove that to the world. Then once getting a long term contract he got comfortable and started with an attitude problem that began when he first threw Cassel under the bus week 1, all but saying the season was over without Brady.

He got another nasty (even nastier than Oakland or being passed in the draft) slap last year.

I firmly believe that if the Pats take him back he will behave and accept his role, even if that is primarily as a decoy.

But I do not want him on the roster in 2012.

Sign him to a two year deal. Trade him on draft day of 2012 to the highest bidder even if that is only a 2013 7th round pick.

Jesus, I could NOT have put it more perfectly.

I've made a TON of Charma Money on Moss.

~ I wanted us to steal him from Oakland, despite the squeals of the legions of folks who know nothing of human behavior, because I knew ~ for precisely the reasons you cited ~ that he would be a strong team mate ~ for a while ~ AND rock the world, which he did.

~ Then I wanted to FRANCHISE TRADE him to the highest bidder ~ despite the rage and curses of millions who would've probably MURDERED Coach B if he'd done so ~ because in the wake of his epic 23 TD year ~ and his relative youth ~ I thought we might even be able to rook CONSECUTIVE 1st Rounders for him ~ Dan Snyder???

~ while saving tons of precious Cap Space that would've allowed us to keep Mankins, Wilfork, AND Seymour.

~ And of course I was HOWLING for us to dump him, last year, despite the wailing of the masses ~ folks who doubtlessly thought it was ALL OVER when Coach B suspended Terry Glenn for the season. "Dear God, who will stretch the field???"

~ And I'm with you 100% at THIS juncture, as well: Sign the donkey for 2 years, let him fight for a roster spot, and then when he has yet another resurgence, trade him for whatever you can get for him...or even keep him. His behavior might be good for two years at this juncture, especially if the 2nd one is a contract year.

Razor's Edge · May 9, 2011

Sure lets pick him up for a 5th round pick, then trade him for a third. ....

TheGodInAGreyHoodie · May 9, 2011

Razor's Edge said:
Sure lets pick him up for a 5th round pick, then trade him for a third. ....

He is an unrestricted free agent. Won't cost a pick.

Deus Irae · May 9, 2011

MoLewisrocks said:
Only Moss had next to nothing to do with that. He had 2 receptions for 32 yards and no TD's in the playoff games preceding that superbowl.

Moss had everything to do with it. Teams began focusing their entire defense on Moss, which allowed the other players to get open. The problem for those teams was that the other players were good enough to get the job done.

It was only when the Giants went with the sell out plan against a hobbled Brady that a game plan that worked was found, and that game plan resulted in a lot of open receivers, including Moss.

TheGodInAGreyHoodie · May 9, 2011

Off The Grid said:
His behavior might be good for two years at this juncture,

You have more faith in him than I do.

Oswlek · May 9, 2011

The Dynasty said:
Brady had the best season in NFL history by any QB in 2007 and Moss was his favorite target. This is why this argument that Brady is better without Moss makes no sense.

While Moss definitely isn't what he was, he could still help the Patriots out. He showed early last year that he still has the ability to stretch defenses and that is what the Patriots lack right now. I think he could definitely help the team out, and I think he would have a completely different attitude after seeing what else is out there and just how good the Patriots organization is. I have said it a few times that all Moss wants now is a ring and I believe he will do anything in his power to do so.

That was 4 years ago. We are only one season removed from Brady's game elevating after Moss' departure, which seems a more accurate comparable, no?

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