warren on the bubble

DaBruinz said:

Part-Timer - You are correct in your assertion that cutting Warren would have little benefit in regards to the salary cap.

That being said, the other part of your reasoning makes no sense. As Andy Johnson pointed out, Warren is NOT a situational pass rusher. He is your 1st/2nd down DE whose primary job has been to take on the double-team on the left side against the running game.

Not sure why you were getting upset when Andy was just trying to get you to clarify.

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DaBruinz: The entire point of the post had to deal with the fact that Ty will not be cut or traded no mater how his contributions may be reduced or changed( which is the other part of the post), not to defend any role he may play on the team in the future. Andy chose to take two words out of context, ignore the point of the entire post and atempt to create confrontation on his assumption that I was discussing what role Ty will play in the future. One must be cognicent of the possibility comeing off major hip surgery that TY's role may have to change.

part-timer said:

DaBruinz: The entire point of the post had to deal with the fact that Ty will not be cut or traded no mater how his contributions may be reduced or changed( which is the other part of the post), not to defend any role he may play on the team in the future. Andy chose to take two words out of context, ignore the point of the entire post and atempt to create confrontation on his assumption that I was discussing what role Ty will play in the future. One must be cognicent of the possibility comeing off major hip surgery that TY's role may have to change.

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You do realize people are simply asking about a point in your post? Asking to clarify your thoughts on one detail does not mean that people ignored the rest, or that they want to start a war against you.

part-timer said:

DaBruinz: The entire point of the post had to deal with the fact that Ty will not be cut or traded no mater how his contributions may be reduced or changed( which is the other part of the post), not to defend any role he may play on the team in the future. Andy chose to take two words out of context, ignore the point of the entire post and atempt to create confrontation on his assumption that I was discussing what role Ty will play in the future. One must be cognicent of the possibility comeing off major hip surgery that TY's role may have to change.

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What did I take out of context?
I had no quarrel with the rest of your post, so responded to the part I disagreed with. How is that taking it out of context?
Would you feelings not be hurt if I said "I agree, except" before that?
I didnt realize you were so sensitive.

part-timer said:

Those looking at any saveings in cutting an older injured high priced player should be lookng elseware. Try looking at back up Nick Kaczur, if cut or traded the saveings is $3,095,000, or under achieveing TBC who's saveings is at $1,895,000, both whom should become unnessisary after this draft. Then their is the possibility of James Sanders being pushed down the depth chart, and already being an overpriced back up with a saveings of $2,495,000 if cut or traded. That total saveings of $7,485,000 would be a significant saveings when you realize the current @ cap spending is $112 mill and the latest proposed cap offer was $114 Mill. Warren's cap saveings is absolutely no help to this team, his potential upside even if it is just for veteran presence greatly out wieghs any downside.

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by all accounts, Kaczur is already all but gone.

BradyFTW! said:

by all accounts, Kaczur is already all but gone.

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Actually, there was just one report saying the Patriots were considering asking him to take a pay cut or get released.
But considering nothing happened, does that just mean they are waiting to do the inevitable, or does it mean the single source may not be correct?

AndyJohnson said:

Actually, there was just one report saying the Patriots were considering asking him to take a pay cut or get released.
But considering nothing happened, does that just mean they are waiting to do the inevitable, or does it mean the single source may not be correct?

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Or Neal's retirement decision created a new paradigm.

a new pair of dimes???????

their greed knows no bounds!!!!..:yeeha:

AndyJohnson said:

Actually, there was just one report saying the Patriots were considering asking him to take a pay cut or get released.
But considering nothing happened, does that just mean they are waiting to do the inevitable, or does it mean the single source may not be correct?

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That source was a strongly worded article by Ian Rapaport, whose track record on this stuff is awfully good. As for why there hasn't been further action/news, the lockout that currently prohibits all teams from negotiating with players probably has a little something to do with that.

Bottom line, if we've learned anything as Pats fans, it's that the organization isn't going to pay him more than he's worth, and they've (correctly, IMO) decided that he isn't worth his current salary. Given his unwillingness to accept a paycut, I think anyone who's paying any attention can see exactly where this is headed: he either accepts a paycut (unlikely) or he gets cut (likely).

BradyFTW! said:

That source was a strongly worded article by Ian Rapaport, whose track record on this stuff is awfully good. As for why there hasn't been further action/news, the lockout that currently prohibits all teams from negotiating with players probably has a little something to do with that.

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Strongly worded? What does that mean?
Many players were released pre-lock out.

Bottom line, if we've learned anything as Pats fans, it's that the organization isn't going to pay him more than he's worth, and they've (correctly, IMO) decided that he isn't worth his current salary. Given his unwillingness to accept a paycut, I think anyone who's paying any attention can see exactly where this is headed: he either accepts a paycut (unlikely) or he gets cut (likely).

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We all know what the article said.
I just dont agree that a Rappaport article saying he will be asked to take a paycut and will refuse is akin to 'as good as gone'.
Certainly the fact that he wasnt released makes the accuracy of the article a bit questionable at least.

Joker said:

a new pair of dimes???????

their greed knows no bounds!!!!..:yeeha:

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The Krafts are cheap, ask anybody. igsfly:

AndyJohnson said:

Strongly worded? What does that mean?
Many players were released pre-lock out.

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How many Patriots were among those players?

As for strongly worded, did you read the article? What else would you call this:

When I asked if the Patriots would cut Kaczur rather than pay him all that money, I was told, “They’re going to have to.” Perhaps that comes before March 3, though not necessarily.
(italics Rapaport's)

We all know what the article said.
I just dont agree that a Rappaport article saying he will be asked to take a paycut and will refuse is akin to 'as good as gone'.
Certainly the fact that he wasnt released makes the accuracy of the article a bit questionable at least.

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You might want to read the article again, because clearly you don't know what it said. It actually indicated that both events had already happened, not that they would in the future. And the reason for not releasing him yet is simple: what's the benefit of releasing anyone when you're on the verge of a lockout and won't have to pay him anyways? It's the same reason why they haven't released anyone at all.

BradyFTW! said:

How many Patriots were among those players?

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How many are being claimed on the chopping block?

As for strongly worded, did you read the article? What else would you call this:

When I asked if the Patriots would cut Kaczur rather than pay him all that money, I was told, “They’re going to have to.” Perhaps that comes before March 3, though not necessarily.
(italics Rapaport's)

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I don't understand how that makes it any more valid of a rumor. Note that the person says "They're" which means it would not be someone from the organization giving the story.

You might want to read the article again, because clearly you don't know what it said. It actually indicated that both events had already happened, not that they would in the future. And the reason for not releasing him yet is simple: what's the benefit of releasing anyone when you're on the verge of a lockout and won't have to pay him anyways? It's the same reason why they haven't released anyone at all.

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Again, nothing has happened since the article to give it creedence.
I'm not ready like you are to call one rumor from weeks ago an almost certainty.

AndyJohnson said:

How many are being claimed on the chopping block?


I don't understand how that makes it any more valid of a rumor. Note that the person says "They're" which means it would not be someone from the organization giving the story.




Again, nothing has happened since the article to give it creedence.
I'm not ready like you are to call one rumor from weeks ago an almost certainty.

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Go ahead and pat yourself on the back, Andy: you've outlasted me. Didn't take long to remind me exactly how pointless 'debating' with you is. If you think the fact that the Patriots haven't cut a player during a period where they're not allowed to cut players in any way suggests that they won't cut that player, then all the more power to you. I won't even rub it in when I'm proven right.

BradyFTW! said:

Go ahead and pat yourself on the back, Andy: you've outlasted me. Didn't take long to remind me exactly how pointless 'debating' with you is. If you think the fact that the Patriots haven't cut a player during a period where they're not allowed to cut players in any way suggests that they won't cut that player, then all the more power to you. I won't even rub it in when I'm proven right.

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Well thats pretty childish.
I did not say that the fact he wasnt cut is proof he won't be. I actually raised it as a question. Your weak response didn't do much to answer the question.
Seriously, my post asked does the fact that nothing has happened since the article mean we are waiting for the inevitable or the article may be inaccurate.
You responded to events coming after the article with the article was strongly written.
I'm sorry if it offends you that I do not accept 1 article as the law and ask questions.
Would you prefer
"Oh, OK since BradyFTW thinks the article itself is proof the article is correct I am convinced"

The is nothing to rub in.
I asked a question. That questioned wonder whether possibly we may have misinformation.
I do not see your response as helpful at all in answering the question.

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very entertaining...

"If Warren struggles to regain his form, however, he may find himself fighting for a job with Marcus Stroud on board and potential draft picks at this position"

New regimen is Ty-kwondo - BostonHerald.com

crowell33 said:

"If Warren struggles to regain his form, however, he may find himself fighting for a job with Marcus Stroud on board and potential draft picks at this position"

New regimen is Ty-kwondo - BostonHerald.com

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Of all the information in that article, I found this to be the least useful line from her "pen." A very basic 'if, then' statement which needs several unproven, and even unreported negatives before Ty is in this predicament.

It's good to see the two captains keeping close tabs on their front seven colleagues, I liked what Ty was saying about adjusting his routine in recognition of his age, I also like how Ty is focusing on improving his quickness, something which his hip and groin injuries has stolen from him. I'm psyched to see Ty back in the fray! :rocker: Bring it on Chan Rexy Sparano!

Box_O_Rocks said:

Of all the information in that article, I found this to be the least useful line from her "pen." A very basic 'if, then' statement which needs several unproven, and even unreported negatives before Ty is in this predicament.

It's good to see the two captains keeping close tabs on their front seven colleagues, I liked what Ty was saying about adjusting his routine in recognition of his age, I also like how Ty is focusing on improving his quickness, something which his hip and groin injuries has stolen from him. I'm psyched to see Ty back in the fray! :rocker: Bring it on Chan Rexy Sparano!

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Amen! this is just another example of the mediots creating the story rather than reporting it. It had all the probative value of speculating the probability of Warren getting injured getting out of bed.

On the other hand, it is a lot more realistic to believe that after playing fairly well WITH the injury over the last 2 years, it is more realistic to believe that we should see Ty Warren at his BEST.....not "on the bubble"

What frustrates me is that ONCE AGAIN, is bad reporting is rewarded with a 8 page thread.

Pro Football Weekly joins the Boston Herald in wondering about Ty Warren's roster spot: "the way we hear it, Warren's roster spot might be in jeopardy"

ProFootballWeekly.com - Starting spot not set in stone for Patriots DE Warren

crowell33 said:

Pro Football Weekly joins the Boston Herald in wondering about Ty Warren's roster spot: "the way we hear it, Warren's roster spot might be in jeopardy"

ProFootballWeekly.com - Starting spot not set in stone for Patriots DE Warren

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Lots of gossip and rumor this time of year.