Wow!!! This Really Backfired on ESPN!!!!

ESPN gets paid as long as someone clicks and it doesn't matter who they click on. But I bet shmessy is two steps ahead of me, already digging up evidence of Roger Goodell being behind this poll in yet another devious attempt to harm the Patriots and help the Jets.

hahahah Rex Ryan probably feels like the kid in charlie brown thats always dirty, or the fat kid in diapers in the movie Bebe's kids!!

Pujo said:

ESPN gets paid as long as someone clicks and it doesn't matter who they click on. But I bet shmessy is two steps ahead of me, already digging up evidence of Roger Goodell being behind this poll in yet another devious attempt to harm the Patriots and help the Jets.

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What? Wow....ummm....you may want to cut back on the caffeine there.

I don't think the question wording is slanted one bit, I think it's an excellent description of the contrast in styles.

Could anyone who disagrees propose alternate wording which they don't think is slanted, which still captures the essence of the people involved? Everything else I can think of either misses the point or actually is slanted.

Calciumee said:

I love that even New York was a 60/40 divide

Thought it would have been closer than that

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60% Giants

40% Jets


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alamo said:

I don't think the question wording is slanted one bit, I think it's an excellent description of the contrast in styles.

Could anyone who disagrees propose alternate wording which they don't think is slanted, which still captures the essence of the people involved? Everything else I can think of either misses the point or actually is slanted.

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Good question.

I think the issue is really the "outspoken candor". Rex Ryan is way beyond "outspoken candor" - - he practices false bluster (the OPPOSITE of candor). He is selling something he himself knows is NOT true - - HE KNOWS it's not him against Manning, or him against Belichick - - he is protecting his team (and particularly his quarterback) with his carnival sideshow act. If he WERE candid, he would say "Hey, I'm trying to take pressure of my unnerved young QB by trying to create distratcions for the media (now THAT would be "candor"). If it was something he truly believed, THEN it would be candor.

More to the point, the first part is worded "dealing with the public", but should be "dealing with the media" - - so yes, it is slanted because ESPN is pissed with how BB deals with the media - - but they couch it as dealing with the public - as if it is a social/manners thing. He doesn't respect the media, so that means he doesn't respect the public?????? In their minds, obviously, that means "yes" and they couched it that way.

I'm not sure they expected the PUBLIC's answer showing it isn't as offended by his "guarded blandness" as the media who need quotes on deadline.

shmessy said:

What? Wow....ummm....you may want to cut back on the caffeine there.

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Poor, poor shmessy, doesn't see the obvious conspiracy.

Suspicion of Goodell's neutrality?
Why that would be?
From the wikiworld:

Goodell was born in Jamestown, New York, the son of the late United States Senator Charles E. Goodell, a Republican from New York, and the late Jean Rice Goodell of Buffalo, New York.

The Goodell family moved to Bronxville, New York, in 1971. He graduated from Bronxville High School where, as a three-sport star in football, basketball, and baseball, he captained all three teams as a senior and was named the school's athlete of the year.

Injuries kept him from playing college football.

Goodell's career in the NFL began in 1982 as an administrative intern in the league office in New York under then-Commissioner Pete Rozelle – a position secured through an extensive letter-writing campaign to the league office and each of its then 28 teams. In 1983, he joined the New York Jets as an intern, but returned to the league office in 1984 as an assistant in the public relations department.

Goodell has four brothers; among them are Tim, who has recently transferred his employment to work at the Hess Corp

Leon Hess was the founder of the Hess Corporation and the former owner of the New York Jets.
In 1963, the original Titan uniform design was changed by Leon Hess to match the Corporate colors.

After his (Hess') death, American businessman Woody Johnson bought the Jets from Hess` estate in 2000. Johnson purchased the team for $635 million.
Based on the Jets' recent financial performance and the team's low-revenue lease at Giants Stadium, the analysts said the team was really worth about $250 million.

Johnson served on the NFL Commissioner search committee in which a list of 185 candidates to succeed Paul Tagliabue was narrowed down to the final choice of Roger Goodell.

Pujo said:

Poor, poor shmessy, doesn't see the obvious conspiracy.

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Please, this has nothing to do with Goodell.

But, are you still in denial about the Rex Ryan Footgate thing????
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seven said:

Suspicion of Goodell's neutrality?

After his (Hess') death, American businessman Woody Johnson bought the Jets from Hess` estate in 2000. Johnson purchased the team for $635 million.
Based on the Jets' recent financial performance and the team's low-revenue lease at Giants Stadium, the analysts said the team was really worth about $250 million.

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So Woody Johnson spent $625 million in 2000 to buy the Jets.

After 10 years, the Jets is now worth $250 million.

Not a bad investmnent, if you ask me.

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another attempt, same result:

ESPN.com Poll Results by State

alamo said:

I don't think the question wording is slanted one bit, I think it's an excellent description of the contrast in styles.

Could anyone who disagrees propose alternate wording which they don't think is slanted, which still captures the essence of the people involved? Everything else I can think of either misses the point or actually is slanted.

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They certainly couldn't just ask whose style do you prefer?

It was critical to have the descriptive adjectives so folks
visiting the website would be familiar with the two
fellows, as they are not often in the news,
not well known.

Especially amoungst sports fans.

So this was really like a general philosophical question.


The fact that RR is a guy that makes "news" for ESPN every hour oif the day hads nothing to d0 with it.

Espn is about journalistic integrity, first and foremost, and maintains the highest ethical standards.

Sport is about celebrating the great virtues of humanity, the thrill of victory,
the agony of defeat, not crass, base objectives like profit.

(You may read the rest of this story at ESPN Insider, with a paid internet subsciption, a paid subscription to our magazine, and proof that you are a HD Digital cable subscriber, and your daughter, We want your daughter. No, not her, that one... the young one)

Belichick/Brady for POTUS/VPOTUS in 2016!

seven said:

They certainly couldn't just ask whose style do you prefer?

It was critical to have the descriptive adjectives so folks
visiting the website would be familiar with the two
fellows, as they are not often in the news,
not well known.

Especially amoungst sports fans.

So this was really like a general philosophical question.


The fact that RR is a guy that makes "news" for ESPN every hour oif the day hads nothing to d0 with it.

Espn is about journalistic integrity, first and foremost, and maintains the highest ethical standards.

Sport is about celebrating the great virtues of humanity, the thrill of victory,
the agony of defeat, not crass, base objectives like profit.

(You may read the rest of this story at ESPN Insider, with a paid internet subsciption, a paid subscription to our magazine, and proof that you are a HD Digital cable subscriber, and your daughter, We want your daughter. No, not her, that one... the young one)

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That last part (in the parentheses) was written by Easterbrooke, right?

alamo said:

I don't think the question wording is slanted one bit, I think it's an excellent description of the contrast in styles.

Could anyone who disagrees propose alternate wording which they don't think is slanted, which still captures the essence of the people involved? Everything else I can think of either misses the point or actually is slanted.

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Covert/Overt
Reserved/Forthcoming
Defensive/Offensive
Succint/Verbose

But my choice would be:
InHouse/OutHouse
:snob:

shmessy said:

Please, this has nothing to do with Goodell.

But, are you still in denial about the Rex Ryan Footgate thing????

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Yes, I'm sure you're still right and one of these days the country will be outraged about it, and Ryan will lose his job for embarrassing his employer. No idea why, weeks later, it hasn't happened yet, but I'm sure it will since that's what so many impartial people here told me.

alamo said:

I don't think the question wording is slanted one bit, I think it's an excellent description of the contrast in styles.

Could anyone who disagrees propose alternate wording which they don't think is slanted, which still captures the essence of the people involved? Everything else I can think of either misses the point or actually is slanted.

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How about "blustering bragadaccio" versus "carefully measured self-control"?

Exactly how high up the network's editorial chain-of-command do you imagine the decisions on the daily web poll questions go?

I mean, you do realize that 'ESPN' isn't a single entity with its own agenda, churning out every bit of copy printed on its website and scripting every word spoken on air, like some giant sports-hyping super-computer robot? (Wait, maybe...)

"ESPN" didn't write that poll question. Some 22 year old Editorial Assistant came up with it, it was glanced at by a content editor in his 30s, sent to legal + copy, and then thrown up online, with hopes that it'll generate some clicks.

No big network exec is sitting at his desk, shaking his fist at the sky, screaming "damn you, internet! damn yoouuu!" because people prefer BB's style to Rex Ryan's.

lamafist said:

Exactly how high up the network's editorial chain-of-command do you imagine the decisions on the daily web poll questions go?

I mean, you do realize that 'ESPN' isn't a single entity with its own agenda, churning out every bit of copy printed on its website and scripting every word spoken on air, like some giant sports-hyping super-computer robot? (Wait, maybe...)

"ESPN" didn't write that poll question. Some 22 year old Editorial Assistant came up with it, it was glanced at by a content editor in his 30s, sent to legal + copy, and then thrown up online, with hopes that it'll generate some clicks.

No big network exec is sitting at his desk, shaking his fist at the sky, screaming "damn you, internet! damn yoouuu!" because people prefer BB's style to Rex Ryan's.

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You're exactly, right. The poll was written by some intern probably.

However, ESPN has a history regarding some reporting on the Patriots that is considered quite biased by us, admittedly, biased observers. I think almost all of us (save for Rex Ryan's attorney, Pujo) see that. In fact, they themselves were shamed into hiring an "Ombudsperson" (I forget her name, but she was a former Dean of a Journalism School) to hand out public slaps on the wrists to Gregg Easterbrooke and others for their Cameragate libels. Funny, she's gone now and Easterbrooke is still there.

Do I think it is coordinated? No.

But always remember what the E in ESPN stands for. They program and showcase based on the E and they will always slant based on the E. Is that different than any other network in a capitalist society? No, and I'm not saying it is.

However, that kind of poll on their site is a nice repudiation of their corporate viewpoint. And I kinda liked it.

Mike the Brit said:

How about "blustering bragadaccio" versus "carefully measured self-control"?

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That is too way slanted and unfair
This captures it:
noxious, obese, odiferous, degenerate vs quiet, dignified, elegant, gentleman

Oh ohh. This thread could go on for nine years...