Jim Caldwell = Terrible Coach

FSUPatsFan · Oct 4, 2010

Why isn't Jim Caldwell's decision to call timeout with 40 seconds left while the Jaguars had a 2nd and 2 in their own territory getting more attention? IMO, this is clearly worse than the 4th and 2 call that we heard about in the media for two months last year. The Jaguars were playing for OT. After the timeout, the colts had to defend against the big play, so the Jags were still able to work the middle of the field with a timeout in their pocket. This caused them to have a couple of big gains setting up a chance for a long fg.

Maybe not thread worthy, but I can't believe that no one (both in this forum and in the media) is talking about what a truly terrible decision it was.

Calciumee · Oct 4, 2010

I think having Peyton has bailed him out alot since start of last season, if he didn't have him, his coaching might be negatively mentioned alot more!

patsfaninpa · Oct 4, 2010

FSUPatsFan said:
Why isn't Jim Caldwell's decision to call timeout with 40 seconds left while the Jaguars had a 2nd and 2 in their own territory getting more attention? IMO, this is clearly worse than the 4th and 2 call that we heard about in the media for two months last year. The Jaguars were playing for OT. After the timeout, the colts had to defend against the big play, so the Jags were still able to work the middle of the field with a timeout in their pocket. This caused them to have a couple of big gains setting up a chance for a long fg.

Maybe not thread worthy, but I can't believe that no one (both in this thread and in the media) is talking about what a truly terrible decision it was.

Can't wait to see the Colts in the post-Manning era. I'm 48. In my lifetime I've never seen a franchise carried by one guy for so long. Polian will be scurrying out of town like a rat jumping off of a ship when Manning retires. We give Manning grief for his post-season record. And, he deserves it. But, in the regular season. He really is the best qb I've ever seen. I'd rather have the 3 Super Bowls TB has led us to. But, Manning is ridiculously good. Even better under pressure. In the reg. season.

WelshPat · Oct 4, 2010

I made a thread saying the same thing around a year ago:

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/293914-jim-caldwell.html

You get Peyton Manning as your QB and Bill Polian as your guy bringing in the talent and you'll always have a winning record. But Caldwell is terrible.

I do agree with you TC, if they had stopped them for no gain on 1st down then calling the timeout makes sense. But 2nd and 2? Even if they decide just to run the ball with MOJO your D hasn't been able to stop him.

RhodyPatriot · Oct 4, 2010

I think John Fox could give him a run for his money.
Panthers had themselves IN FG range for the win at the end of their game and RAN themselves out of FG range by running east/west and getting tackled for a loss.

Calciumee · Oct 4, 2010

RhodyPatriot said:
I think John Fox could give him a run for his money.
Panthers had themselves IN FG range for the win at the end of their game and RAN themselves out of FG range by running east/west and getting tackled for a loss.

And he felt like this

PatsFanSince74 · Oct 4, 2010

I guess he's bullet proof because he took what was essentially a Tony Dungy team to 14--2 and a Conference Championship in his first season. But, the bloom is now off the rose and I think people will start asking more questions about what he's done on his own.

patsfaninpa · Oct 4, 2010

RhodyPatriot said:
I think John Fox could give him a run for his money.
Panthers had themselves IN FG range for the win at the end of their game and RAN themselves out of FG range by running east/west and getting tackled for a loss.

I blame that on D'Angelo Williams for breaking the play outside. If he hits the hole, maybe no gain and a FG. I'd like to sign him as a UFA. But, that was a terrible decision by the player. Can't blame the coach.

102 Pat · Oct 4, 2010

How about how he NEVER seems to show any emotion? Everytime there's a shot of him on the sideline, it's that same blank stare going on.

SuperPatsFan · Oct 4, 2010

102 Pat said:
How about how he NEVER seems to show any emotion? Everytime there's a shot of him on the sideline, it's that same blank stare going on.

Well, some might say he always has that blank stare because he's a total idiot who's in way over his head.

Patjew · Oct 4, 2010

Barry Switzer Jr.

mcsully · Oct 4, 2010

RhodyPatriot said:
I think John Fox could give him a run for his money.
Panthers had themselves IN FG range for the win at the end of their game and RAN themselves out of FG range by running east/west and getting tackled for a loss.

Right call bad play for on D. Williams part.. Tried to make something out of nothing and he should be aware of situational football.. And just gone north and south..

spacecrime · Oct 4, 2010

RhodyPatriot said:
I think John Fox could give him a run for his money.
Panthers had themselves IN FG range for the win at the end of their game and RAN themselves out of FG range by running east/west and getting tackled for a loss.

How did JohnFox make a bad call? You are in marginal field goal range, you run the ball to the side you want to kick from. It's the only call that makes sense. Passing the ball is the bad call. If you are already in solid FG range, take a shot to the end zone. Otherwise, run the ball and kick the FG.

Just because a play did not work out does not mean it wasn't the right play.

scout · Oct 4, 2010

I was thinking the same thing. The announcers went along with it too? How does that strategey not work in favor of the Jags?
I was also thinking, that the Jags should have just let the Colts score previously,

patsfaninpittsburgh · Oct 4, 2010

In Caldwell's defense, it should be pointed out that many late game, hurry up drives catch defenses disorganized. If the defense is disorganized, big plays are inevitable.

The 2003 Steelers/Cincy game is a great example. The Steelers score late to take the lead. The Bengals go down the field and score a TD on 30+ yard pass.

After the game, the defense said they were confused but didn't call a timeout to get organized because they wanted the clock to run.

This sounds more like a problem practicing "situational football" and a CB who pulls an Asante and doesn't make a pick when presented.

scout · Oct 4, 2010

patsfaninpittsburgh said:
In Caldwell's defense, it should be pointed out that many late game, hurry up drives catch defenses disorganized. If the defense is disorganized, big plays are inevitable.

The 2003 Steelers/Cincy game is a great example. The Steelers score late to take the lead. The Bengals go down the field and score a TD on 30+ yard pass.

After the game, the defense said they were confused but didn't call a timeout to get organized because they wanted the clock to run.

This sounds more like a problem practicing "situational football" and a CB who pulls an Asante and doesn't make a pick when presented.

I don't think that was the case. Jag's had just run the ball for a short gain. What confusion?

pencilneckgeek · Oct 4, 2010

I won't fault Fox for Deangelo Williams stupidity, but he needs to coach up Clausen better. They took forever to get plays off at the end - huddling up with 0:25 when they needed to gain 15 yards and spike the ball. You'd think they'd practice the 2:00 offense down there.

Pats726 · Oct 4, 2010

RhodyPatriot said:
I think John Fox could give him a run for his money.
Panthers had themselves IN FG range for the win at the end of their game and RAN themselves out of FG range by running east/west and getting tackled for a loss.

That was one dumb call in that game as well....BUT I think that had to be a blunder given teh situation..Jags no timeouts and moving the ball??? Gave them the opportunity to get the W...REALLY bad coaching there in both cases.

ausbacker · Oct 4, 2010

pencilneckgeek said:
I won't fault Fox for Deangelo Williams stupidity, but he needs to coach up Clausen better. They took forever to get plays off at the end - huddling up with 0:25 when they needed to gain 15 yards and spike the ball. You'd think they'd practice the 2:00 offense down there.

What I've seen of Clausen he looks completely out of his depth at the moment. I'm sure his development will come but he's simply not ready.

As for Manning. We all celebrate his regular season greatness, but really who cares? Regular season isn't when championships are won.

jbb9s · Oct 4, 2010

what about donovan mcnabb's decision to run out of bounds as he gained 1st down yardage and signaled "#1" to the crowd. I mean, the ballwashers on ESPN are talking about how great it must of felt for him to scramble for the important first down, except he ran out of bounds, killed the clock, and gave the Eagles one last shot....

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