The official "our defense is horrible" thread

Doctor DDS said:

While I agree that our defense played lousy if you take a look around the League the same things were happening all over the place. The Colts gave up 500 yards, SD marched up and down the field on Seattle and still lost, Henne and Sanchez combined for over 600 yards last night (against "good" defenses) Just about every team passes 40 plus times a game and with the rules in place it is difficult to get off the field. The Pats defense is going to give up a lot of yards all year, no doubt. Making some big plays like they did yesterday will be the key in whether or not we have the success we are hoping for.

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reflexblue said:

You know Pete maybe you should just not watch, Seriously. Football is suppose to be a distraction, its suppose to be fun, but it seems it makes you miserable. I can't remember a thread started by you in which you weren't complaining about something.

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borg said:

The 2011 D:
According to Miguel's cap page, only 1 D starter has their contract expire after this season, Gerard Warren. That leaves 10 players returning along with Bodden and Ty Warren. Count me as a glass half full guy and I'll say the future will be brighter, especially with two returning starters, a year of experience for the younger players, and a couple of high draft choices, hopefully spent on a D lineman and stud DE/OLB (per usual). The big question in my mind is...Will the Patriots continue growing this D roster organically or will BB spend to bring in more veterans to make a run at the Super Bowl?

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Pessimistic Pete said:

Yes, call me a "chicken little" blah, blah, blah. But maybe you can merge all similar threads that will be made in here and call it a day.

Anways I'm sorry, but that was the final straw today. 30 points to the WORST offense in the NFL? The worst offense in the NFL's backup quarterback? At home? SERIOUSLY? A stat came up during the game that the Bills were 0-40 in their last forty 3rd & 10+ attempts and what do you know, they convert right after that.

The defense impressed me once this season, the first half against the Bengals. Ever since then they have been pure trash. Allowing Mark Sanchez and Ryan Fitzpatrick led offenses to score 28 and 30 points respectively is scary.

Can this team make the playoffs? Yes, but I see our peak being 10-6 at best. This defense is just awful and we haven't even played a Top 10 quarterback yet.

Now go ahead, give this star one thread and try to tell me that our defense has performed well or how we'll magically get better (against better teams at that)

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patsfaninpittsburgh said:

Has anyone looked at the offensive stats for week 3?

Kyle Orton put up like 475 yards. How about those two "dominating" defenses in Miami last night?

Was the reason for Buffalo having the worst offense a result of talent or Trent Edwards?

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We need a top defense now, now, now, now, now!

We can't look to the future unless we have a defense now, now, now, now, now!

There is no such thing as development unless they are good enough now, now, now, now, now!

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upstater1 said:

Buffalo reporters are putting it all on Trent Edwards.

And you're right about the league. Huge yardage is being put up. Last night you saw a Dolphin get a perfsonal foul when a Jet WR launch himself into the defender. I'm not sure what to think about the hands off policy on WRs. I've seen Welker take awful hits that should be flagged (but were not) but on the other hand, I've seen good plays by DBs signaled penalties.

The refs seem incapable of judging what is proper from what is not.

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VOODOOZF said:

The truly sad part of the defense not being very good is that the offense is clearly Superbowl caliber.

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mgcolby said:

I know this is hard for many on this board and that this will fall on deaf ears and blind eyes.

But here it goes:
Two drives started in NE territory:
NE 40 = FG
NE 37 = TD (bad individual play by Merriweather on 3rd down)

7 points came off a kick return.

That means the Pats Defense allowed 13 points when the Bills had to actually drive more than 40 yards to score.

5 times the Bills were inside the 30 yard line with the following results:

3 FG's (One drive started on the NE 40)
1 TD (again the drive started at NE's 37)
1 INT

Given the fact that our Red Zone defense last season was among the league's worst. I find these stats to be a bigger positive than any negative that can be brought up. This defense is learning how to play NFL defense and the stats above is a huge leap forward.

And for the crowd that will pointing out that the red zone is the 20 yard line and in, I say this: No sh!t, and just to save you time typing. The Bills had 1 TD, 1 FG and 1 INT in the "Red Zone". 33% TD rate is much better than last year's 75% or so (going off memory).

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BradyManny said:

I'm a very optimistic fan, but the defense looked atrocious yesterday. Stats are meaningless or misleading. Where those drives started is irrelevant, they were destined to go the length of the field either way when you consider the Bills only punted once. If anything, you could argue that the KO return and short fields spared the Patriots D of the inevitable yardage the Bills were going to pile up against them. If you watched the game, you saw a defense - which for the 3rd straight week - allowed an offense to play better than they have against other competition.

I'm not saying its hopeless, but this defense, as constructed is bad right now. They are missing Warren & Bodden - two key players which would've helped bring some stability to a young defense. The offense, fortunately, is good enough to carry the team in the regular season. The defense has a couple months to improve, and it may. But right now, this is in the bottom third of defenses in the league, easily.

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patsfaninpittsburgh said:

I'm glad you are optomistic because your thinking is truly convoluted.

If the Bills get the ball deep in our territory and are stopped they are stopped. Where do you come up with the "logic" that if they started on on their 8 they would have scored a touchdown?

You should review the game track because you would see that Buffalo had a tendency to have drives stopped somewhere close the the red zone/ field goal territory.

Here are the criteria for defenses in today's NFL

Turnovers

"Red Zone" defense

Avoiding penalties

I would advise everyone to look at the game tracks for all the games. It's unbelievable the yardage being racked up.

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patsfaninpittsburgh said:

I'm glad you are optomistic because your thinking is truly convoluted.

If the Bills get the ball deep in our territory and are stopped they are stopped. Where do you come up with the "logic" that if they started on on their 8 they would have scored a touchdown?

You should review the game track because you would see that Buffalo had a tendency to have drives stopped somewhere close the the red zone/ field goal territory.

Here are the criteria for defenses in today's NFL

Turnovers

"Red Zone" defense

Avoiding penalties

I would advise everyone to look at the game tracks for all the games. It's unbelievable the yardage being racked up.

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TB=TD said:

Is it fun to watch a real defense in Pittsburgh?

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BradyManny said:

I don't know what a "game track" is.

I watched the game. The Bills moved the ball at will.

Therefore, one can assume, field position was largely irrelevant. I never said they would score touchdowns, only that they would move the ball.

The Bills punted ONCE in yesterday's game.

The assumption that we would have stopped them on the three drives the poster is flippantly throwing out due to field position or a special teams play is not a safe assumption.

The better assumption is that the Bills would have moved the ball with the ease in which they moved the ball all day.

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