After today... This looks like a 9-7 team as of today..

I'm sorry, but the original poster is a ****ing moron. So many teams were Z from being X-Y. It's pure bullsheet and speculation.

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The Dynasty said:

He played in the Big East which isnt exactly a powerhouse football conference like the SEC is. I dont know how you can assume that Wilhite and Wheatley are already better than McCourty is, they very well could be but nothing is definite. Springs showed some promise last year as well. Butler played very well I thought last year, so I think he is a few steps of McCourty and Bodden is our #1 corner. I dont think McCourty is ready to start this season.

The team had many needs that needed immediate addressing so drafting a player that isnt going to greatly contribute (start) in his rookie season was where I see the pick being off. I wanted to see the first round pick be on a player that would start on the team this season to address one of the holes the team has. With saying that I think everything worked out because I think BB found some guys that can make immediate impacts this season and the McCourty pick will turn out to be a very good one in 2011 or 2012 when he is ready to start and be a very good corner.

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What kind of an argument is that?

I think he wont start.
Therefore its a bad pick because we should have picked a starter.

If he is the nickel that is the same as a starter these days as he will play more than half the snaps.
Did you see Wilhite and Wheatley play. Well no one saw Wheatley play.
Our corner play was bad last year, and we just drafted a justified 1st round corner and you don't think he will start? or at least be the nickel? Because the sucky players he will replace are still under contract?
The Big East has Division 1 WRs too. Its not like he was in Division II.

Are you telling me that Butler after 1 year has proven to be better than first round quality, and that Wilhite and Wheatley have too?

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patsfaninpittsburgh said:

Obviously you missed the fact that Revis played in the Big East (Pitt)

Jamarcus played in the SEC

Again, the key to football going forward is defending the 3/4/5 WR sets. Only a clown would think Collie/Garcon/Meachem/Floyd are any good. They are just better than the nickel/dime CB's.

The nickel/dime packages are the key to the future. Besides the concept of a starter ends after the first play. Superior coverage packages work against everyone and will allow the ability to scheme in blitzes.

You can never have too many corners

Nickel/Dime are now essentially base defenses against elite offenses

This board is pass rush idiocy. Most likely from SB XLII. The Giants gameplan was impressive but has short shelf life. Has anyone bother to track the Giants since? How did Pittsburgh fare when Polumalu went down?

Coverage allows the defense to backfill blitzes

Blitzes can be schemed.

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this may be post of the year.

other than my posts, I mean.

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Fencer said:

Over Vince Wilfork? Why??

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He's penciled in as kick returner alongside Brace.

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patsfaninpittsburgh said:

Obviously you missed the fact that Revis played in the Big East (Pitt)

Jamarcus played in the SEC

Again, the key to football going forward is defending the 3/4/5 WR sets. Only a clown would think Collie/Garcon/Meachem/Floyd are any good. They are just better than the nickel/dime CB's.

The nickel/dime packages are the key to the future. Besides the concept of a starter ends after the first play. Superior coverage packages work against everyone and will allow the ability to scheme in blitzes.

You can never have too many corners

Nickel/Dime are now essentially base defenses against elite offenses

This board is pass rush idiocy. Most likely from SB XLII. The Giants gameplan was impressive but has short shelf life. Has anyone bother to track the Giants since? How did Pittsburgh fare when Polumalu went down?

Coverage allows the defense to backfill blitzes

Blitzes can be schemed.

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It was already said, but this is a great post.

sbpatfan said:

I'm sorry, but the original poster is a ****ing moron. So many teams were Z from being X-Y. It's pure bullsheet and speculation.

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Word 10cha

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patsfaninpittsburgh said:

Obviously you missed the fact that Revis played in the Big East (Pitt)

Jamarcus played in the SEC

Again, the key to football going forward is defending the 3/4/5 WR sets. Only a clown would think Collie/Garcon/Meachem/Floyd are any good. They are just better than the nickel/dime CB's.

The nickel/dime packages are the key to the future. Besides the concept of a starter ends after the first play. Superior coverage packages work against everyone and will allow the ability to scheme in blitzes.

You can never have too many corners

Nickel/Dime are now essentially base defenses against elite offenses

This board is pass rush idiocy. Most likely from SB XLII. The Giants gameplan was impressive but has short shelf life. Has anyone bother to track the Giants since? How did Pittsburgh fare when Polumalu went down?

Coverage allows the defense to backfill blitzes

Blitzes can be schemed.

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I am aware that Revis came from the Big East, I was responding to the point that a poster made that McCourty came to the team more ready than any other rookie has besides Mayo.

I agree that the CB position is very important and McCourty will play a part in that, I just dont see him having a major role as a CB this year, just in sub packages and on ST. He needs a year to develop and adapt to the NFL. That is just my opinion and he could prove me wrong

Agreed - what we're seeing is the conversion of the Defense from one allowed to maul receivers (2001, 2003, 2004) until Polian whined his way into the rule books. With receivers being allowed to roam freely for all purposes + the advent of so many spread attacks, the key is speed. Look at Butler and McCourty in particular, not to mention Chung. BB is converting the DBs to be able to match up across from multiple receiver sets.

Not to mention the division itself, which just added Marshall and Holmes twice per year.

But just to echo - that was a great post!

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AndyJohnson said:

What kind of an argument is that?

I think he wont start.
Therefore its a bad pick because we should have picked a starter.

If he is the nickel that is the same as a starter these days as he will play more than half the snaps.
Did you see Wilhite and Wheatley play. Well no one saw Wheatley play.
Our corner play was bad last year, and we just drafted a justified 1st round corner and you don't think he will start? or at least be the nickel? Because the sucky players he will replace are still under contract?
The Big East has Division 1 WRs too. Its not like he was in Division II.

Are you telling me that Butler after 1 year has proven to be better than first round quality, and that Wilhite and Wheatley have too?

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With the amount of needs that this team has to fill yes I would have wanted my first round pick to be a starter. Where else are you going to fill these holes? FA, all of the quality guys are gone and players that get released during training camp well they will be released for a reason. I just felt that through the first round of the draft was one of the better chances to improve our team for 2010, not for 2011 and beyond.

I didnt think our corner play was that bad last year. It could be said that our corners looked worse than they actually were because the lack of a pass rush and opposing QBs had all day to throw. That is why I would have ranked the OLB/DE need higher than the CB need. As yes I think Butler did prove to be 1st round quality last year, I cant say that about Wilhite and Wheatley though.

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The Dynasty said:

With the amount of needs that this team has to fill yes I would have wanted my first round pick to be a starter. Where else are you going to fill these holes? FA, all of the quality guys are gone and players that get released during training camp well they will be released for a reason. I just felt that through the first round of the draft was one of the better chances to improve our team for 2010, not for 2011 and beyond.

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dude, are you serious?

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eom said:

dude, are you serious?

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What's the issue? Are you saying you cant get a starter in the 1st round?

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The Dynasty said:

What's the issue? Are you saying you cant get a starter in the 1st round?

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McCourty will get plenty of playing time in 2010...as a returner on special teams and if he pulls a few TDs out of it,he will have more than earned a first round pick, not to mention he will be used in defensive packages against powerful passing teams I am sure.

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The Dynasty said:

With the amount of needs that this team has to fill yes I would have wanted my first round pick to be a starter. Where else are you going to fill these holes? FA, all of the quality guys are gone and players that get released during training camp well they will be released for a reason. I just felt that through the first round of the draft was one of the better chances to improve our team for 2010, not for 2011 and beyond.

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I like to keep the board civil, but this is somewhat ******ed.

first of all, all things happen 'for a reason' --- I'm assuming your implication is that any player cut must suck, therefore is done in the nfl.
there are probably a lot of posters crying about our running game who would've wanted tomlinson or thomas jones.
is james harrison the kind of pass rusher we need on this team --- wasn't he cut at one time?
you sound like you think the entire nfl is made up of pro bowlers.

my second gripe is you describe the pats like they're swiss cheese, riddled with holes.
I think this time last season they were superbowl favorites, but apparently losing to baltimore has put the team in such disarray that we need 5 rookies to come in and start.
dude, if you're really banking on rookies to start, you're kind of eff'd.

another gripe I have is with your closing line where you claim the first round was a chance to improve our team over the next couple years.
what do you think belichick did??

did he trade our first rounder for a sandwich?

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eom said:

I like to keep the board civil, but this is somewhat ******ed.

first of all, all things happen 'for a reason' --- I'm assuming your implication is that any player cut must suck, therefore is done in the nfl.
there are probably a lot of posters crying about our running game who would've wanted tomlinson or thomas jones.
is james harrison the kind of pass rusher we need on this team --- wasn't he cut at one time?
you sound like you think the entire nfl is made up of pro bowlers.

my second gripe is you describe the pats like they're swiss cheese, riddled with holes.
I think this time last season they were superbowl favorites, but apparently losing to baltimore has put the team in such disarray that we need 5 rookies to come in and start.
dude, if you're really banking on rookies to start, you're kind of eff'd.

another gripe I have is with your closing line where you claim the first round was a chance to improve our team over the next couple years.
what do you think belichick did??

did he trade our first rounder for a sandwich?

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Addressing your first point, who do you think would be the better player, a first round pick or someone that is cut from a team? 80%-90% of the time you would go with the first round pick. There are exceptions like guys that are cut for money reasons, etc. But as a whole you are more likely to get a better player from a first round pick than you are from someone that was cut.

Secondly, I am not saying just because of the Ravens game that means the team has a good amount of holes. It was was whole 2009 season as a whole. Going into the draft the team did have a good amount of holes. The pass rush was a huge problem last season for one. Secondly the team only had 1 TE on the roster. They needed to add another WR to replace to absence of Welker for some of the season, theres another one. You could also say that the team needed another ILB to play next to Mayo. You could even make more cases for holes such as RB and the OL. For the most part BB addressed these needs through the draft so a job well done. And when I say the team has holes I dont mean that I dont think it was doomed for a bad season, I just feel that those areas need to be corrected to advance in the playoffs and make a run for a championship.

Yeah I agree BB did use his first round pick to improve the team for the next few years, I just would have liked to have had a guy to help the team even more this year than McCourty will.

PS. your jokes arent funny...

you sound like this guy:

On a day when they could have had impact players David Terrell or Koren Robinson or the second-best tackle in the draft in Kenyatta Walker, they took Georgia defensive tackle Richard Seymour, who had 1 sack last season in the pass-happy SEC and is too tall to play tackle at 6-6 and too slow to play defensive end. This genius move was followed by trading out of a spot where they could have gotten the last decent receiver in Robert Ferguson and settled for tackle Matt Light, who will not help any time soon.

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eom said:

you sound like this guy:

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Good one, how original. What else can you come up with?

Your attempts at humor arent funny, this isnt a comedy board. Its a football board. Moving on...

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How come this site is so negative?

Anyway, I think we are an 11-5 team at this point. We got another competent pass rusher and have tons of bodies for the vacant DE position. This was another great draft and our offense is improved. Imagine once Welker comes back; Gronk and Hernandez will really be able to take off. And before that Edelman will be fine. This team is very good, getting younger and rebuilding itself in front of our eyes.

eom said:

you sound like this guy:

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What type of beer do you drink eom? We should have one together!

hahaha....I drink whatever you're buyin'.

how about some fosters?

eom said:

hahaha....I drink whatever you're buyin'.

how about some fosters?

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If and when I make it to the States buying you and a few other posters will be on the to-do list!