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Tom Curran's take:

Belichick balks at report of 'apology'

Our take? We don't doubt there was further conversation about the disciplining, whether it be with the four players or the team as a whole. Belichick certainly would have preferred it stayed a "team issue" that didn't see the light of day and may have said something to that effect.

But we're calling BS on the idea that Belichick stood in the middle of the locker room at any time and said, "Fellas, just want to apologize for sending Derrick, Randy, AD and Gary home. My bad."

If I had to guess ... I'm calling this an Eric Ortiz BS job ... he's NESN's media editor hack.
 
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I'm not fixated on any players. Your assertion of how things went down simply fails in light of how the Moss situation unfolded.

Moss wasn't a discipline problem so it's irrelevant.

Thomas had been one, was benched, shot his mouth off. He was the discipline problem.

Again, what does it have to do with Moss? Three accepted the discipline, one didn't.
 
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you know...all this blabber about "apologies!!!" and who did or didn't reminds me of a bunch of old broads sitting around eating doughnuts and getting fatter by the minute while their husbands are out busting tail trying to please them.

Problems at home?:D
 
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Moss wasn't a discipline problem so it's irrelevant.

Thomas had been one, was benched, shot his mouth off. He was the discipline problem.

Again, what does it have to do with Moss? Three accepted the discipline, one didn't.

I'm also warming up to Derek Burgess..............he manned-up over the disclipline issue and he played his best game,sunday,against Buffalo.
 
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I'm also warming up to Dereck Burgess..............he manned-up over the disclipline issue and he played his best game,sunday,against Buffalo.

Showed some spark, didn't he?
 
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I'm also warming up to Dereck Burgess..............he manned-up over the disclipline issue and he played his best game,sunday,against Buffalo.

The operative words ... against Buffalo.
 
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They just asked BB about it on The Big Show. He asked who the source was. When Ordway told him that it was "locker room sources", BB's answer was that if someone wants to talk about it, he'll talk about it. He neither verified nor denied the actual happening.

Your paraphrase is a little lacking: "I think on those kind of reports, Glenn, you need to check the sources on that," Belichick told Glenn Ordway. "If it’s just some random unaffiliated source that’s attributed to nobody, then … I don’t think that’s something I really want to get into."
 
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I hope we get verification. I hope it's true. If so, we should make it a stickie and force posters to read it every time they post. Perhaps posters will also reconsider their feelings toward the situation.

Belichick acted like a vindictive schoolteacher and not like the best coach in the history of the game. If he wanted to fine the players, few would have objected. That choice is consistent with the CBA and with the professional way in which the patriots operate.
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fine at home..thanx for asking...these days I prefer girlfriends...with their OWN living arrangements
 
fine at home..thanx for asking...these days I prefer girlfriends...with their OWN living arrangements

I prefer bourbon. Less expensive, and I can choose the one I like the most..... :cool:
 
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you know...all this blabber about "apologies!!!" and who did or didn't reminds me of a bunch of old broads sitting around eating doughnuts and getting fatter by the minute while their husbands are out busting tail trying to please them.
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Your paraphrase is a little lacking: "I think on those kind of reports, Glenn, you need to check the sources on that," Belichick told Glenn Ordway. "If it’s just some random unaffiliated source that’s attributed to nobody, then … I don’t think that’s something I really want to get into."

Starting right around the 20:40 mark, and especially through 20:55 or so:

http://audio.weei.com/m/28024852/bill-belichick-pats-head-coach.htm

My paraphrase is fine, but thanks.
 
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BBlaid the hammer down. Three guys said nothing, or the right thing, one shot his mouth off. He's already benched him twice.

The team rallies and AD is left out on a limb, with pie on his face, in a clown suit. He does the charity thing.

BB allows him to save some face instead of crawling back and maybe play some good ball.

BB won the confrontation flat out. He can afford to be magnanimous, he has nothing to gain by losing a good player. Stuff happens. One ego deflated and put in line.

intentional or unintentional, this is really funny considering he came up with the "humble pie" t-shirt.
 
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intentional or unintentional, this is really funny considering he came up with the "humble pie" t-shirt.

It is, yet it's not.

In any movement, there comes a point where everyone is on board with the slogans and behaviors which say the right thing, while forgetting what really led to all the slogans.

Or at least i'm saying so.

I believe we need to get back to basics and that's the root of the attitude problem.

Remember the "no star" team? The patient, spread it around offense? Guess what? We don't have that team anymore.

I love Moss to death, but we have gone more for the star player and a bunch of extras lineup we used to criticize others for.

You can't live in the past, but worrying less about the humble, team first slogans and more about balanced patient offense that uses the whole field and moves the chains will improve the ability of Moss and Welker to get open and that's all that counts.
 
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intentional or unintentional, this is really funny considering he came up with the "humble pie" t-shirt.

Oh, the pie reference. Good catch, I didn't notice it.
 
Having had some PC problems and such the past few days...I missed this whole deal..(Will have to listen to the EEI archives..) Who reported this at NESN?? Just curious about who is the conduit to this? Is this ANOTHER player leaking things? Or should we give a two to Mr Thomas? (in which case..I really would not be surprised...)
 
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I'm not fixated on any players. Your assertion of how things went down simply fails in light of how the Moss situation unfolded.

Feel free to lay out the basis for your conclusion based on facts actually reported and not your suppositions. Your response to mgteich and his statement that, and I'll paraphrase, that Belichick acted like a vindictive schoolteacher, was "It won't matter. Most of the same people will still defend Belichick," and you have taken the position through repeated threads that Belichick was unreasonable for his actions. Here are the facts I have heard:

(1) it was snowing;
(2) Thomas called at some point Wednesday prior to arriving late that he was stuck in traffic;
(3) Belichick told them Monday they were to arrive early and plan on staying late after a bad loss;
(4) Certain younger players were seen laughing immediately after that loss;
(5) 4 players were sent home; and
(6) Belichick told Thomas personally he was going home.

Correct me if you know anything else by way of facts, specifically if any of the 4 had prior disciplinary issues, if the team had prior disciplinary issues this season, if Belichick was viewed by players as a stickler for his rules and thus players knew what to expect, or if the lockerroom flat-out appeared to not exhibit the degree of seriousness and focus expected of a winning team.

You simply appear to fill in the blanks for this situation and conclude he is wrong, while labeling anyone who supports Belichick's position as blindly voicing the "In Belichick We Trust" mantra. That's not called reason, it's called you don't like Belichick and are thus as biased as anyone who does defend him simply for who he is. Reason is based on facts, not conjecture. If you are in fact saying sending players home for a day for being tardy is per se wrong under every conceivable situation, then I am happy to refer you to basic managment theory that will strongly suggest otherwise, that your position is flatly incorrect. I don't claim Belchick was absolutely right because I do not know all the facts. The response could be excessive in a given set of circumstances and be unreasonable, but nobody knows. Many posters are simply accepting Belichick's decision over Thomas's objection to the decision based on the results Belichick has produced previously in managing this team and its players. That isn't blind allegiance, it's called listening to the guy who has exhibited a pattern of success.

As for Moss, here's a theory as to why he was treated in the way he was: Moss is a special case as he has history and a position on this team, captain, that caused him to take a brutal beating in the media (unlike the others) after a bad game after someone leaked the decision that players were sent home and Moss was in the group. He may be hurt and playing through it, he may have other issues in his life that only the inner circle knows. Cris Carter had once stated on Inside the NFL, as someone who mentored Moss with the Vikings, that Moss needs his circle of trust and prior teams had not treated him in a way that they became family to him. The same guy called him (or his performance) pathetic that week in a public statement. Belichick doesn't have to hate sending Moss home as a consisent response to an infraction, but as he likely knows what Moss is doing during the week, as do all the players who said he is one of the hardest workers, it is done to tell Moss they believe in him and will defend him against the world. That makes him feel like family and in a group he can trust. But the fact you defend someone's work ethic or heart, a statement on who you are as a player over a career, necessarily says nothing about the decision to send him home on a single occasion in a consistent exercise of discretion to all involved.
 
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Feel free to lay out the basis for your conclusion based on facts actually reported and not your suppositions. Your response to mgteich and his statement that, and I'll paraphrase, that Belichick acted like a vindictive schoolteacher, was "It won't matter. Most of the same people will still defend Belichick," and you have taken the position through repeated threads that Belichick was unreasonable for his actions. Here are the facts I have heard:

(1) it was snowing;
(2) Thomas called at some point Wednesday prior to arriving late that he was stuck in traffic;
(3) Belichick told them Monday they were to arrive early and plan on staying late after a bad loss;
(4) Certain younger players were seen laughing immediately after that loss;
(5) 4 players were sent home; and
(6) Belichick told Thomas personally he was going home.

Correct me if you know anything else by way of facts, specifically if any of the 4 had prior disciplinary issues, if the team had prior disciplinary issues this season, if Belichick was viewed by players as a stickler for his rules and thus players knew what to expect, or if the lockerroom flat-out appeared to not exhibit the degree of seriousness and focus expected of a winning team.

You simply appear to fill in the blanks for this situation and conclude he is wrong, while labeling anyone who supports Belichick's position as blindly voicing the "In Belichick We Trust" mantra. That's not called reason, it's called you don't like Belichick and are thus as biased as anyone who does defend him simply for who he is. Reason is based on facts, not conjecture. If you are in fact saying sending players home for a day for being tardy is per se wrong under every conceivable situation, then I am happy to refer you to basic managment theory that will strongly suggest otherwise, that your position is flatly incorrect. I don't claim Belchick was absolutely right because I do not know all the facts. The response could be excessive in a given set of circumstances and be unreasonable, but nobody knows. Many posters are simply accepting Belichick's decision over Thomas's objection to the decision based on the results Belichick has produced previously in managing this team and its players. That isn't blind allegiance, it's called listening to the guy who has exhibited a pattern of success.

As for Moss, here's a theory as to why he was treated in the way he was: Moss is a special case as he has history and a position on this team, captain, that caused him to take a brutal beating in the media (unlike the others) after a bad game after someone leaked the decision that players were sent home and Moss was in the group. He may be hurt and playing through it, he may have other issues in his life that only the inner circle knows. Cris Carter had once stated on Inside the NFL, as someone who mentored Moss with the Vikings, that Moss needs his circle of trust and prior teams had not treated him in a way that they became family to him. The same guy called him (or his performance) pathetic that week in a public statement. Belichick doesn't have to hate sending Moss home as a consisent response to an infraction, but as he likely knows what Moss is doing during the week, as do all the players who said he is one of the hardest workers, it is done to tell Moss they believe in him and will defend him against the world. That makes him feel like family and in a group he can trust. But the fact you defend someone's work ethic or heart, a statement on who you are as a player over a career, necessarily says nothing about the decision to send him home on a single occasion in a consistent exercise of discretion to all involved.

In addition, I don't read anything into Belchick's unwillingness to confirm or deny that any "apology" discussion took place. This also happened last week when that fact-challenged hack Florio said that Belichick sidestepped questions about Moss' performance in the Panthers game.

So what? Anyone who sees any significance in BB's non-response simply hasn't been paying attention for the past 10 years. Belichick has steadfastly declined to comment on any player performance evaluation or any discipline matter - it's standard operating procedure.

As I noted earlier, we're only going to get one side of the story because Belichick doesn't see the need to defend himself in public. And it's pretty easy for any disgruntled player to find a sympathetic ear. Ron Borges thinks everyone hates BB precisely because the players with an issue know they can go to Borges and get a supportive account of their grievance published in the Herald, most likely the very next day.

The continuing leaks on the "late to practice' matter must gall BB, who no doubt has stressed his determination to keep matters like this in house and asked his players to do the same. Is his patience unlimited? If somebody keeps pushing buttons, I guess we'll find out.

Moss - to his credit - kept his mouth shut and went back to work. In the meantime, Adalius Thomas had to toe the company line to get back on the field on Sunday. Anyone else notice that Derrick Burgess finally showed some energy and enthusiasm for the first time this week?

Belichick is just trying the get the most out of the 53 players on the roster. That's his job. There are huge egos, a boatload of insecurities and no small amount of petty bickering to deal with. It most be awfully tempting to lash out at the malcontents and underachievers. I'll bet that the vast majority of the players appreciate Belichick's circumspect nature. But those with a different agenda can and do take advantage.
 
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This board is a riot.

What's wrong with some of you people?
 
This board is a riot.

What's wrong with some of you people?

That would require an additional forum or perhaps state-funded psychoanalysis.
 
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