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Absurdly Early (December 1) 2010 Offseason and Mock


I'm not sure how the Pats rate OT, but I see upgrading the right side of the line as a major priority. Vollmer has been a revelation this year, and I for one am tired of seeing opposing OLs push the right side of our line around. I'm hoping Matt Light will move over to RT for the remainder of the year, but I don't see him as a long term solution. I see Kaczur as the James Sanders of the OL - the Pats also liked Sanders, but were perfectly happy to see him become #4 on the depth chart instead of #2.

But that's the thing: they had LeVoir, Vollmer, and Light signed through 2010, and they still extended Kaczur anyways, giving him an extra $3M this year beyond what they were already scheduled to pay him.

With Sanders, you can make the argument that they felt they needed to extend him (otherwise you have only Meriweather returning). I can't see where the need to extend Kaczur comes from.

That said, if some team wants Kaczur, I have no problem with trading him, but for whatever reason, the Pats' evaluation of Kaczur != major need at RT.
 
But that's the thing: they had LeVoir, Vollmer, and Light signed through 2010, and they still extended Kaczur anyways, giving him an extra $3M this year beyond what they were already scheduled to pay him.

With Sanders, you can make the argument that they felt they needed to extend him (otherwise you have only Meriweather returning). I can't see where the need to extend Kaczur comes from.

That said, if some team wants Kaczur, I have no problem with trading him, but for whatever reason, the Pats' evaluation of Kaczur != major need at RT.

Maybe they plan to move him to Guard at some point within the next year?
 
I'm not remotely up on this draft yet (typical for me this time of year) but with that mock, I would be taking Golden Tate and Brandon Spikes with the two bonus #2s. If we get a DE or OLB at #1 that's great but Spikes and Mayo in the middle with Guyton outside would look a lot better. And I'd love to get Tate, the Patriots love YAC guys and he's as good as it gets. With B. Tate a question heading into next year, adding another Tate works for me.
 
BTW, mayo: on a minor note, the Pats have Philadelphia's 7 this year as well, and they are very likely to get two or three comp 6s and 7s (whee!).
 
BTW, mayo: on a minor note, the Pats have Philadelphia's 7 this year as well, and they are very likely to get two or three comp 6s and 7s (whee!).

Cool. Thanks for the update. I obviously left comp picks out of my mock, but an extra 7th would be nice. I'd love to pick up a punter like Zoltan Mesko to compete with Hanson.
 
I'm not remotely up on this draft yet (typical for me this time of year) but with that mock, I would be taking Golden Tate and Brandon Spikes with the two bonus #2s. If we get a DE or OLB at #1 that's great but Spikes and Mayo in the middle with Guyton outside would look a lot better. And I'd love to get Tate, the Patriots love YAC guys and he's as good as it gets. With B. Tate a question heading into next year, adding another Tate works for me.

Just my personal view, but I have 2 responses to your suggestions:

1. I like Tate as a player, but I personally don't want us to take WR 1st day, I'd much rather see us build in the trenches on both sides. We'll have Moss, Welker, Edelman, Aiken and Stanbeck, and I think Brandon Tate deserves a chance to show that he can earn the #3 spot. Plus, I think that Golden Tate and Brandon Tate are fairly similar in style, and I'm not sure what 2 of them adds over 1.

2. I think Spikes is a good player but kind of stiff and a bit limited in his upside. I don't think ILB is as much of a need as pass rushers given Mayo, Guyton and McKenzie, so I've prioritized the OL and the pass rush. But 3 months ago I would have jumped at Spikes.
 
I'm not big on WR either, I agree with previous discussions that the 2011 draft will be stronger there and a good chance to get the next Moss, so to speak. That said, right now we have no #3 WR and I think we need more talent there. It gives us two Tates to get the third WR we desperately need and if they both work out we're deep at WR and will be young there for when Moss leaves. Right now he's only signed through next year. I basically agree that we should be all about OL, DL, LB but with 4 picks in the first two rounds I would consider a special player at another position and Tate just makes plays. He had a few drops early but his hands have convinced me as the season has worn on and, being a former RB, he is insane after the catch. I'd treat myself to this pick if I were Belichick and get the big uglies with the other picks.
 
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Great post. I can see that you put a lot of thought into this.

A couple of thoughts:

1.) I really, really don't see Tennessee using a top ten pick on a corner this year. They have a really nice safety tandem and a good due of corners. The problem is that they have been hit hard by injuries. What they need is help on the defensive line: both at defensive tackle and at defensive end. You fix that and I promise you that team will have a top 5 defense.

2.) We won't be able to resign Watson. The man has talent and other people know that. Other teams are going to throw cash at the kid and I think he's going to take it. Why? Because we don't use him enough in the passing game. He's more than a blocker and he knows that.

3.) If Matt Light just walks after the 2010 season, we'll most likely get a 3rd round compensation pick just for the fact that he'll be the starting left tackle on a team. We'd basically be doing them a favor. i think we can get better value. A lot of teams need a good offensive tackle, but they are out of range of a good one. Someone is going to get desperate and that team could pay a low 2nd.

4.) I like Volmer too, but it's a little too soon to call him dominant.

5.) If you don't think that Matt Light is worth a 2nd round pick, then Adalius Thomas sure isn't. They are about the same age and Light has been more productive. Also I'm sure Atlanta's GM is watching Patriots games and has trouble finding Mr. Invisible.

6.) Eventhough St. Louis drafted an offesnive lineman last year, they didn't fix their line. It still has problems. I don't think it would be right to put a young QB back there. Plus, Spags is a defensive minded head coach and would love a guy like McCoy on his defensive line.

7.) Taylor Mays has struggled in coverage this year. The difference between the talent of Mays and a talent of Berry is like measuring the distance between Tennessee and California. I'm not saying that Mays is terrible and should be out of the first round all together. What I am saying is that Berry's body of work will at least make teams ask: Why doesn't the other first round safety have this? I say Mays falls a little bit.

8.) Dunlap's DUI and forthcomming suspension make him fall a bit. The jests drafted an athletic freak with numerous inconsistencies last year. They might be a little gun shy this time. At least Gholston had the common sense to call a cab.

9.) Baltimore is gonna draft a DB. Here is where I see Haden going. Two of the members in the Titans secondary have been significant starters on Superbowl winning teams. THOSE GUYS ARE GOOD! They've been hit hard by injuries this year. That's why we had such an easy time against them. Look out for Baltimore to make a potential trade here. They have been known to jump up to get players that they are interested in.

10. Philly barely uses the RB's that they have. I don't think that they spend a first round draft choice on a position that's frequently under utalized. Look for them to upgrade their O-line. Shawn Andrews is a head case that hasn't panned out. They lost to the freaking raiders because they couldn't protect their QB. They could easily trade with Seatle to steal Iupati from the Steelers.

11.) We're on the clock, an elite tight end is available: Start sweating. I'm serious. he's done it before and we may lose Watson. Get nervous.

Great mock. Very indepth.
 
3.) If Matt Light just walks after the 2010 season, we'll most likely get a 3rd round compensation pick just for the fact that he'll be the starting left tackle on a team. We'd basically be doing them a favor. i think we can get better value. A lot of teams need a good offensive tackle, but they are out of range of a good one. Someone is going to get desperate and that team could pay a low 2nd.

(A) If Light walks after 2010, the compensatory pick will be in the 2012 draft.
(B) If Light walks after 2010, the compensatory pick could not be a third-rounder. There's a rule (that came into play for Alan Faneca this year) that says a player with 10+ seasons—as Light will have after 2009—cannot earn more than a fifth-round compensatory pick.

11.) We're on the clock, an elite tight end is available: Start sweating. I'm serious. he's done it before and we may lose Watson. Get nervous.

Or, maybe, just maybe, he might be able to fix that issue in FA. [I think the Pats drafting a TE this year is almost a given.]
 
Cool. Thanks for the update. I obviously left comp picks out of my mock, but an extra 7th would be nice. I'd love to pick up a punter like Zoltan Mesko to compete with Hanson.

Unfortunately, the top punters have fairly reliably been coming off the board starting in round four the last few years. . . .
 
Great post. I can see that you put a lot of thought into this.

A couple of thoughts:

Great comments. The point of my mock was to stimulate discussion, so this is great.

1.) I really, really don't see Tennessee using a top ten pick on a corner this year. They have a really nice safety tandem and a good due of corners. The problem is that they have been hit hard by injuries. What they need is help on the defensive line: both at defensive tackle and at defensive end. You fix that and I promise you that team will have a top 5 defense.

As I mentioned, Tennessee could easily go DL first, with Derrick Morgan being a likely candidate. But I could also see them going for Haden. Cortland Finnegan is terrific, but Nick Harper will be 36 next September and is probably better suited for nickel duty. Their subs got shredded. I think Joe Haden is a top 15 pick on his play alone and will blow people away at the combine, and that Tennessee won't be able to resist the idea of a secondary consisting of Haden, Finnergan, Griffin and Hope.

There's likely to be tremendous DL depth in this draft, and I think Tennessee can address that later. They won't get another chance at a blue chip CB. I had them adding DL help later on, giving them Adrian Clayborn at #73 (an absolute steal, as he would be possibly as good or even better than Derrick Morgan for them, with nice versatility on the DL) and Louisiana Tech DT D'Anthony Smith at #105 (another steal). Both are high upside players, and Tennessee has a history of liking small school DL prospects (Eastern Michigan's Jason Jones in 2008 and Winston-Salem State's William Hayes in 2007).

2.) We won't be able to resign Watson. The man has talent and other people know that. Other teams are going to throw cash at the kid and I think he's going to take it. Why? Because we don't use him enough in the passing game. He's more than a blocker and he knows that.

You may be right. I hope not. I like Watson, and I want us to use our top picks on OL and DL/pass rushers, not on replacing our TE with someone who probably won't be an upgrade in 2010. Watson seems pretty low key and loyal, and it's possible he'll choose to stay with the Pats. But you could well be right.

3.) If Matt Light just walks after the 2010 season, we'll most likely get a 3rd round compensation pick just for the fact that he'll be the starting left tackle on a team. We'd basically be doing them a favor. i think we can get better value. A lot of teams need a good offensive tackle, but they are out of range of a good one. Someone is going to get desperate and that team could pay a low 2nd.

Matt Light will be 33 in June of 2011. I don't see anyone giving him a contract that would get us a 3rd round comp pick. Maybe a 4th, probably a 5th. Plus, we wouldn't get the pick until 2012. With all of the depth likely to come out in this draft, I'd take an early 2010 3rd over a 2012 4th-5th any day. #70 in 2009 would have gotten us Michael Johnson, who would have been a big improvement in our pass rush. The options at #70 in 2010 are likely better. But I'm happy to get more if someone is willing to make a better offer. I'd love a low 2nd. Doubt we'll get it, but I'd love it.

4.) I like Volmer too, but it's a little too soon to call him dominant.

You're right. I did say "emerging as a dominant LT". But you're right.

5.) If you don't think that Matt Light is worth a 2nd round pick, then Adalius Thomas sure isn't. They are about the same age and Light has been more productive. Also I'm sure Atlanta's GM is watching Patriots games and has trouble finding Mr. Invisible.

You're probably right, and Everlong has already pointed this out. But I think the odds are that Thomas is gone after this season, and the Pats will try to get something for him. Maybe not a 2nd rounder. But stranger things have happened, especially if he shows something in the last 5 games. Guys with his skills and versatility have value, and he may just need a fresh venue and a new system. After all, we gave up a 3rd plus a 5th for Derrick Burgess.

6.) Even though St. Louis drafted an offensive lineman last year, they didn't fix their line. It still has problems. I don't think it would be right to put a young QB back there. Plus, Spags is a defensive minded head coach and would love a guy like McCoy on his defensive line.

Bulger is old and can't cut it for St. Louis. They need to start grooming a franchise QB, and it takes time. They have a franchise left tackle, they will be drafting in the top 3, and no other OL would be worth their pick. They can get OL depth later. Plus they have a very early 2nd round pick and can get a DT there, or trade up into the late 1st for someone like Brian Price, who may be just as good for them as McCoy. I thought they needed a DE to complement Chris Long more than a DT, so I gave them Everson Griffen, which I thought was generous.

The Rams passed up a chance at a franchise QB prospect to draft Jason Smith. They're suffering with Bulger this year. I don't think they pass up the chance again, especially if someone like Locker is available.

7.) Taylor Mays has struggled in coverage this year. The difference between the talent of Mays and a talent of Berry is like measuring the distance between Tennessee and California. I'm not saying that Mays is terrible and should be out of the first round all together. What I am saying is that Berry's body of work will at least make teams ask: Why doesn't the other first round safety have this? I say Mays falls a little bit.

I don't think Mays is in Berry's class. I dropped him to 15 based on my evaluation that he is a 20+ talent who will put up unreal numbers at the combine and go earlier, but probably not top 10. Darius Heyward-Bey wasn't a top 15 talent either. The farthest I can see Mays falling is to Dallas.

If Joe Haden is available I could see SF going for him over Mays, but in my mock Haden was gone (see #1 and #9).

8.) Dunlap's DUI and forthcomming suspension make him fall a bit. The jests drafted an athletic freak with numerous inconsistencies last year. They might be a little gun shy this time. At least Gholston had the common sense to call a cab.

I did this mock before Dunlap's DUI came out. I originally had the Jets taking Cameron Heyward at #16. I could see that happening (or even Allen Bailey, who should wow at the combine). Arthur Jones was an option before his injury, but I doubt he goes that high right now. DT is also an option if Mount Cody is available, given Kris Jenkins' injury history.

I can see Dunlap slipping quite a bit, and possibly falling within our reach, or pushing another pass rushing prospect down to us. Not sure if I would want him or how he fits on the Pats team, but he is an intriguing talent.

9.) Baltimore is gonna draft a DB. Here is where I see Haden going. Two of the members in the Titans secondary have been significant starters on Superbowl winning teams. THOSE GUYS ARE GOOD! They've been hit hard by injuries this year. That's why we had such an easy time against them. Look out for Baltimore to make a potential trade here. They have been known to jump up to get players that they are interested in.

Baltimore needs DB help, but also help at WR and TE. I see them drafting somewhere in the 18-24 range, and I don't see Haden lasting anywhere near that long. I think Haden is a top 15 pick based on his play, but that he will blow away the combine. He's reported to run a sub-4.35 40 with a 40" vertical and to bench press over 20 reps at 225. If he puts up those kind of numbers he will be a top 10 pick, and probably out of trade-up range for Ozzie Newsome. I don't see any other CB being a clear 1st round value right now, thought that could change, and there's a lot of CB depth in the draft, so I chose to have Baltimore address WR in the 1st round and CB later on.

10. Philly barely uses the RB's that they have. I don't think that they spend a first round draft choice on a position that's frequently under utalized. Look for them to upgrade their O-line. Shawn Andrews is a head case that hasn't panned out. They lost to the freaking raiders because they couldn't protect their QB. They could easily trade with Seatle to steal Iupati from the Steelers.

Philly could easily do what you say, and go for either OL or DL help in the first round. The big reason I didn't have them go OL was that they've invested so much money in the position so far: Jason Peters, Shawn Andrews, Stacey Andrews and Winston Justice have all gotten big multiyear contracts.

I have to say, I loved the idea of Spiller to the Eagles in addition to Maclin and Jackson. No one imagined they would trade up to take Maclin last year after getting Jackson the year before. Spiller would give them a kind of New Orleans scenario of having too many offensive weapons to stop. NO is the darling of the NFL right now, and success breeds copycats.

11.) We're on the clock, an elite tight end is available: Start sweating. I'm serious. he's done it before and we may lose Watson. Get nervous.

I'm nervous. Especially if Watson leaves. I don't want him to leave, because I want us to focus our picks on the OL and DL/pass rush.

Great mock. Very indepth.

Thanks. As I said, the goal was not accuracy but to stimulate knowledge about prospects and thinking about the draft options. And thanks for the comments.
 
Unfortunately, the top punters have fairly reliably been coming off the board starting in round four the last few years. . . .

I know. I suggested taking Kevin Huber of Cincinnati in the 4th round in my 1st mock last year, and several people laughed at me for suggesting a punter in the 4th.
 
I'm nervous. Especially if Watson leaves. I don't want him to leave, because I want us to focus our picks on the OL and DL/pass rush.

I would expect him to go TE somewhere between rounds two and four, even if Watson stays. They only have two, and they've normally kept three.
 
I would expect him to go TE somewhere between rounds two and four, even if Watson stays. They only have two, and they've normally kept three.

We don't have a 3rd or a 5th right now, so unless we trade back into those rounds we only have a 4th.

I gave us Miami TE Jimmy Graham in the 6th, who could go much higher. Athletic 6'8" former BB player with a nose for the end zone. Should help our red zone woes - just have TB throw the ball high and let the tallest guy go up and get it.
 
Baltimore is gonna draft a DB. Here is where I see Haden going. Two of the members in the Titans secondary have been significant starters on Superbowl winning teams. THOSE GUYS ARE GOOD! They've been hit hard by injuries this year. That's why we had such an easy time against them. Look out for Baltimore to make a potential trade here. They have been known to jump up to get players that they are interested in.

Baltimore would be dumb to pass on Haden if he were available when they pick, but I expect him to be long gone. How far would they have to trade up? I'm not sure. But FWIW, Mel Kiper ranks Haden as his #7 prospect on his latest big board (he has Derrick Morgan at #8), and Todd McShay and Scout's Inc. rank he #5 (they have Morgan at #6).

2010 NFL draft -- Mel Kiper Jr.: The newest Big Board (Dec. 2, 2009) - ESPN
NFL Draft 2010 - NFL - ESPN
 
I gave us Miami TE Jimmy Graham in the 6th, who could go much higher. Athletic 6'8" former BB player with a nose for the end zone. Should help our red zone woes - just have TB throw the ball high and let the tallest guy go up and get it.


I don't see it happening Mayo but for what's it worth
Draftseason.com has us taking @ 25

New England Patriots
Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma

Gresham would be just another big target for Brady to throw the ball to. Watson has had some great years but it’s time for some fresh playmaking legs at tight end for the Pats.
 
Great work Mayo - some great stuff to read through. I think you nailed our team needs and even though I don't agree with all your picks, your rationale/logic behind them is sound.

As for TE, I love Gresham - one of my favorite prospects in the past few years. IMO he could be a great complimentary threat to Moss deep and Welker short. Watson is okay, but struggles to get open in the mid range game and has questionable hands.

As for your picks:
Like-Pouncey x2, Heyward, Romeus, McCluskey (love this kid, I think he could be a huge threat)
Dislike-Lane, the RT

My ideal top 2 rounds, as of now, would look something like this:
1-Gresham
round 2: pass rushing DE (Brandon Graham, Romeus), 34 DE (Bailey, Odrick, Oghabase, Jones), OG (Pouncey, Mike Johnson)
 
Walterfootball has us taking the following for waht's it worth

I like the Jahvid pick but pass rush is too important to go RB so early

#26 New England Patriots: Jahvid Best, RB, California
The Patriots desperately need a 3-4 end and a rush linebacker, but they have three second-round selections. They can afford to take the best player available who fits a slightly lesser need.

That would be Jahvid Best. New England has very little talent at the running back position, and it can only get worse, as the rapidly aging Fred Taylor, Sammy Morris and Kevin Faulk could be headed for retirement soon. Laurence Maroney has played well recently, but he has fumbling issues and sometimes dances around too much at the line of scrimmage.

#46 New England Patriots: Von Miller, DE/OLB, Texas A&M
Remember when the Patriots were actually able to pressure the quarterback? Good times. New England has just 19 sacks on the season. Something must be done about that.

Von Miller could be drafted late in the first round; he has 21 TFL and 16.5 sacks this year, and he beat Russell Okung on a few occasions.

#52 New England Patriots: Mike Neal, DE/DT, Purdue
The Patriots could be looking for some depth up front. Of course Richard Seymour is gone, but Jarvis Green's contract is up in March as well.

#57 New England Patriots: Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State
Remember when Troy Brown was New England's nickel corner? Even he would be a better option than what the Patriots have now.
 
Walterfootball has us taking the following for waht's it worth

I like the Jahvid pick but pass rush is too important to go RB so early

#26 New England Patriots: Jahvid Best, RB, California
The Patriots desperately need a 3-4 end and a rush linebacker, but they have three second-round selections. They can afford to take the best player available who fits a slightly lesser need.

That would be Jahvid Best. New England has very little talent at the running back position, and it can only get worse, as the rapidly aging Fred Taylor, Sammy Morris and Kevin Faulk could be headed for retirement soon. Laurence Maroney has played well recently, but he has fumbling issues and sometimes dances around too much at the line of scrimmage.

#46 New England Patriots: Von Miller, DE/OLB, Texas A&M
Remember when the Patriots were actually able to pressure the quarterback? Good times. New England has just 19 sacks on the season. Something must be done about that.

Von Miller could be drafted late in the first round; he has 21 TFL and 16.5 sacks this year, and he beat Russell Okung on a few occasions.

#52 New England Patriots: Mike Neal, DE/DT, Purdue
The Patriots could be looking for some depth up front. Of course Richard Seymour is gone, but Jarvis Green's contract is up in March as well.

#57 New England Patriots: Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State
Remember when Troy Brown was New England's nickel corner? Even he would be a better option than what the Patriots have now.

Matt Maguire from Walter Football has a new 2 rounder out today:

WalterFootball.com: 2010 NFL Mock Draft by Matt McGuire

He has the Pats taking RB CJ Spiller at 28, DE/OLB Sergio Kindle at 45, WR Jeremy Williams at 53, and ILB Quan Sturdivant at 60. I'd much prefer the following:

28 - DE Cameron Heyward, Ohio St. (going #29 to San Diego). Maguire notes that "Heyward has prototypical size as a 3-4 defensive end at 6-6, 290 pounds, with very good strength and power. I love his initial punch and use of hands as he can extend and shed offensive linemen at will."

45 - DE Greg Hardy, Mississippi (going #52 to Denver). Jason Pierre-Paul (going #50 to the Giants) could also be the pick. Kindle is reasonable, but I would prefer one of these guys, with more size, length, and ability to set the edge. Maguire also has Terrence Cody available, and he might be too much to pass up here.

53 - I would try to trade up and get one of the other guys listed at 45. I don't want a day 1 WR.

60 - Best available OL. Not sure who's still on the board in this mock. Mike Iupati is gone.
 
Am I really the only one who sees the need for the Pats to invest in a viable third option at WR?

I can easily see Belichick grabbing a Golden Tate at the end of the first or top of the second.
 


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